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Killzone Shadow Fall (PS4) announced, launch title [1080p/30fps]
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You know, that idea is so crazy that it just might be crazy.
ChronotriggerJM
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I seriously consider them some of the best programmers in the industry. Seems like they're a software R&D division that happens to make games.
TacticalFox88
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You'd be right actually.
They literally have a team who's SOLE purpose was to tap the power of the PS3 and distribute what they find amongst Sony's first Party devs.
Hell, if I remember correctly, that team didn't even directly work on Uncharted or TLoU. They were simply given a job of "tap into the power of the cell" and bam, that's all they did.
The main issue you face here is development time. This game will be a hack job that is pasted together similar to Resistance 1. It will give you a taste, but the full monty won't come for a few years.
uncleniccius
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The SP is finished and completely playable, they have time.
JimmyRustler
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Well, since Resistance 1 was the best of the series....
Not only that, but it has the best multiplayer too. So many awesome memories playing this game online.
Just an aside: Guerilla Games stopped full-on production on Killzone 3 in October 2010. That was 4-5 months before their February 22nd release.
That studio must have worked on something in those months. KZ:SF seems fine if you only look at the project schedule they revealed at SIGGRAPH 2011.
I am not being pessimistic, but I want you to understand the gravitas of the situation. Guerilla is making a launch title on a new platform. Not only were specs unfinalized, but they were constantly trying to get the game running on a devkit that is still not final. Things can still as of yet change. Launch titles always have the issue of being shots in the dark.
koji kabuto
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I would love to see them make an open world RPG, that would be awesome!
I'm an huge fan of GG and i totally love the Killzone series, got a platinum in both K2 and K3 
I can't really wait to play the single player of shadow fall and I can't wait to play the MP !
I still play K2 and K3 multiplayer (my favorite FPS multiplayer ever (well, ok, with Battlefield too)).
I can't really wait to play the single player of shadow fall and I can't wait to play the MP !
I still play K2 and K3 multiplayer (my favorite FPS multiplayer ever (well, ok, with Battlefield too)).
I have only few info, but you are right and I can only quote you.
JohnnySasaki86
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how do we know SF is not using tessellation?
FlutterPuffs
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Yeah, the ICE team. Mark Cerny was one of the leads in that group. They're pretty much legendary in my eyes.
Kenshin001
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I'm really hoping they have 32 players again in MP, 24 players in KZ3 just didn't have the same battle chaos and intensity. 64 would be great if they had big maps, like MAG/BF3 big, plus mechs but the game doesn't seem to lend itself to those sort of environments and I'm guessing traversal and verticality will play a big part.
uncharted86
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They are not really hiding that they are working on a new IP (and it has been rumoured to be an RPG):
uncleniccius
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I didn't realise that, and I may have overlooked that they may move people over to their new IP when they've done their bit on SF.
ChronotriggerJM
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Too lazy to google, but is the ICE team still around? Sounds like something Sony should keep around.
Galacticos
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They're using edge tessellation.
Fully tessellating everything will take more time
Fully tessellating everything will take more time
Unless one of their members I'm following on twitter has forgotten to update his profile, yeah they're definitely still around.
TacticalFox88
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They should, but then again, considering how ridiculously easy the PS4 is to code for, they might could use their talents elsewhere.
Then again, who knows, they might discover some trick that many developers haven't thought of yet.
Pound_lb003
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I have to admit I'v never seen a good reason for tesellation.
It never seems to add that much.
It never seems to add that much.
Yes. They tend to keep a very low profile.
They did frontload the level design so that they can work on visuals, AI, and animation once final dev kits are in and the game will have had 6+ months more dev time than KZ3. I have hope.
klapauzius
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If they only manage to get 30FPS at 1080p resolution there would be sacrifice in graphics quality necessary to get 3D if they don't want to lower FPS. Only a resolution drop to 720p would not set enough power free.
I would like to play in 720p at 60 FPS without 3D. But it seems Sony thinks Full-HD is necessary for their promotion.
They're definitely still around, they're hiring
http://www.naughtydog.com/site/careers/tools_programmer_ice/
http://www.naughtydog.com/site/careers/tools_programmer_ice/
Gemüsepizza
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1080p is 2.25 times the amount of pixels of 720p. For 3D you need about 2 times the amount of pixels compared to 2D. So a drop to 720p should be sufficient.
WHOAguitarninja
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Gemüsepizza;60741885 said:
Takes a lot more than just rendering at a lower resolution to free up enough resources for 3d in general. You essentially have to run your renderer twice as fast due to having to set up your geometry and lighting twice per frame.
Gemüsepizza
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It's not a guarantee, but plenty of games scale like this, more or less.
Yea, I was going to list that as well. Thanks.
Both you and RoboPlato have mentioned this and I am wondering where its usage has been mentioned.
It's mentioned briefly in a slide notation (not on the slide itself) and it's pretty obvious when looking at fingers, helmets, and rubble.
Dictator93
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Do we know which variation of "edge tessellation" they are using?
The one thing i disliked about their tech presentation was that graphical features were mentioned without using their standardized names. I can only assume they mean tessellation to fix silhouette problems.
Are they using a PN triangles technique or phong tessellation? Or something else?
I am curious
The one thing i disliked about their tech presentation was that graphical features were mentioned without using their standardized names. I can only assume they mean tessellation to fix silhouette problems.
Are they using a PN triangles technique or phong tessellation? Or something else?
I am curious
Ah I see. And pertaining to looking at the fingers, well when they pour 40K poly that's to be expected. Looking at the (matrix) mesh, isn't edge tessellation supposed to work like silhouette tessellation where the system calculates what outlines the camera (player) is seeing from the given angle and boost the poly count are the perimeter of object instead of the whole object itself?
It's just hard to tell from here given it looks like the entirety of all the fingers received a big boost.
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This is how the sniper looked in KZ3 in the game engine-
Meccanical
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They should make Matrix Mode a cheat code.
I mean come on, what happened to cheat codes?
They were awesome.
I mean come on, what happened to cheat codes?
They were awesome.
Wishmaster92
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Thuway i think we are underestimating the power/architecture of the ps4. This isn't a ps3 where the cell was a foreign architecture and a pain to work with, they literally got the code up and running almost immediately. I'm hoping to be surprised come e3.
BigTnaples
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This this and more this.
Turok was the king of cheat codes.
BewareOblivionIsAtHand.
Wishmaster92
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Resistance 1 a hack job ?
Excuse me but Resistance 1 was perfect 60FPS@native720p and delivered split screen coop for full campain. Also one of the best MP game this gen.
They mentioned in passing that they were using it, no specifics yet.
I think they're probably using it sparingly on certain objects. Stuff like fingers, helmets, gun barrels, and rubble will have it but not everything. I don't know much about the low level work that tessellation does, just the end result and you can clearly see it spots.Ah I see. And pertaining to looking at the fingers, well when they pour 40K poly that's to be expected. Looking at the (matrix) mesh, isn't edge tessellation supposed to work like silhouette tessellation where the system calculates what outlines the camera (player) is seeing from the given angle and boost the poly count are the perimeter of object instead of the whole object itself?
It's just hard to tell from here given it looks like the entirety of all the fingers received a big boost.
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This is how the sniper looked in KZ3 in the game engine-
The way the bricks are molded here has the tell tale signs of tessellation.
Resistance was 30FPS. Felt butter smooth though.
It's funny how people see this and still say that KZ:SF looks like a PS3 game.
Excellent, RFoM is still my favourite FPS of this gen, such awesome gunplay and feel.
Dictator93
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I have never heard anyone say that.
It is quite intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer that the game looks as if it would be technically impossible on anything but a next-gen system.
Yea there have been a few saying it could be done on the ps3, made me facepalm.
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