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Kevin Afghani is the voice of Mario and Luigi in Super Mario Bros. Wonder
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Slayer-33
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Woopah
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Yes that's very clear.
My intention was to have a discussion with them, not attack them. But I apologise if it came across that way.
MacReady13
Member
I see what you did here...
Woopah
Member
I have no idea what your gender is so I went with "them". It wasn't meant as a dig.
MacReady13
Member
And that's perfectly acceptable as I didn't demand you use those as my pronouns. That is acceptable use of the English language. But now that you know I am a man, it would be assumed that you would now refer to me as a he and him... I'm not demanding it though or putting it in my bio so you and everyone on the face of this planet knows. It just is what it is...
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Is he one of them/they shehers?
no problem my man i might of come off a bit harsh as well but the back and forth come off like a era thread.
MacReady13
Member
Impossible- if it had been an era thread, i'd have been banned after my 1st post!
your right lmao.
Astral Dog
Member
If you really care about someone, and for whatever reason this person prefers to be called "them" or they in conversation its not a big deal, since there is a relation of trust,maybe you just want to be polite or avoid a confrontation
However when it comes to government/institutions enforcing this dialect with some thinly veiled threat its another matter entirely because it serves a certain purpose,saying "They/Them" doesn't provide any meaningful context in this situation,in reality they are not doing it to protect some random guys "feelings",thats a lie instead it functions as a method of controlling speech and opens a can of worms because you end up with countless entitlement to zi,xer,clown etc. its not always disrespectful or done with ill intention to use common pronouns,in a free society this at the very least this would be open for debate in each institution, and some type of vote system
However , we are not longer living in a free speech society , thus be aware someone will always feel the need to label, judge and correct you if you speak against the unspoken and written "rules" of modern political attachment ,it signals a deviance that is considered a problem no matter how slight it is
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MacReady13
Member
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this unfortunately.
Woopah
Member
Sure, I'm happy using whichever pronouns you prefer.
MacReady13
Member
I don't have a preference cause it's not something I need to think about. I am a male, therefore... Also, you could just call me Mac/Macready as per my username. Much like in real life!!!
MiguelItUp
Member
Well, good for that guy I guess. It was noticeable in the teaser/trailer that it wasn't the OG. It felt like someone doing an impression of him, it was kind of odd.
Also, I know it's already been said, but pronouns in a profile really doesn't mean anything these days, especially coming from various actors and actresses. Even if they're indifferent on the topic, putting such a thing in their profile will most likely look better for agents and related offices in California for obvious reasons. It'll just make them look "good" in most cases, get them more work and opportunities, etc. Just the reality of it all.
Also, I know it's already been said, but pronouns in a profile really doesn't mean anything these days, especially coming from various actors and actresses. Even if they're indifferent on the topic, putting such a thing in their profile will most likely look better for agents and related offices in California for obvious reasons. It'll just make them look "good" in most cases, get them more work and opportunities, etc. Just the reality of it all.
EruditeHobo
Member
So if you had a co-worker or friend or family member and they asked you if you would respect their wishes by referring to them the way they preferred, you would not do it?
MacReady13
Member
What part of NO do you not understand? I live in reality, not some made up bullshit in your head. Simple concept I would have thought. I don't need to satisfy peoples feelings over made up bullshit!
Fake
Member
Why you guys keeep using the same argument? Just use names as people have been using since ever.
Is getting silly at this point. There are no hostage sittuation here, there are no demands.
MiguelItUp
Member
Just leave it alone. The guy has an opinion, and a random on a forum isn't going to change his mind, just leave it be. Whether you agree or not, agree to disagree and let's get back to talking about how Kevin Afghani can never fill Charles Martinet's shoes. But hell, no one can. But really, it's derailed enough, lmao.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
There are people who are happier when they kill other people. The personal feelings of a small subset of people doesn't come into play when considering right and wrong or true and false. Having said that, you're certainly entitled to your own opinion/perspective on the matter.
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EruditeHobo
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You're the one in here with multiple posts about your stringent aversion to this stuff in a thread about an actor selected to do voiceover. You certainly cared enough to come in here and whine about it... no need to get pissy and exasperated when people engage with your opinion by asking straightforward clarifying questions.
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AREYOUOKAY?
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Woopah
Member
I would be happy either way! I'm just saying that its not something that bothers me.
One of my team members at work has "she/her" in the email signature and another has "she/her ; they/them". To me that is a not a " yikes" moment, but something inconsequential that doesn't imapct my opinion of them
How is the bolded at all relevent?
On the underlined, I fully agree! Them getting the surgery isn't a quesiton of right or wrong, and them being transgender is something that is true. The fact that it makes them happier has no impact on the truth/morality of it.
Chuck Berry
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
I thought it was obvious. Just because an act/action makes someone happier doesn't mean the act/action is good/right/true. You stated that your perspective is based on the act/actions making them happier, and the implication was that their happiness makes it okay to feed into the delusion regarding what they are. Hence my extreme example that was meant as a counter to that implication.
Whether they are a man or a woman is 100% regarding what is true. You're encouraging them to be untruthful, and by extension you want others to engage in untruthfulness (e.g. call them the opposite of what they are) so as not to offend them. Truth isn't subjective. I'm not saying they can't get the surgery or call themself the opposite gender of what they are. I'm saying that they are not being truthful to themselves or others, and they are requesting that others engage in this untruth, and that that is harmful.
Woopah
Member
I think you misunderstand me. I'm not claiming that their personal happiness has any impact on truth or morality. Im saying "this person did a thing which increased their happiness and did no harm, so why should it bother me?"
As always with this topic, it's worth stressing that there's a difference between sex and gender.
So for example, it could absolutely be true that their sex at birth (being biology) was a woman. And it could also be true that the gender (being socially constructed characteristics) that they most identified with was a man.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Gender is the identification of male or female, and sex is whether they are male or female. If your sex is male, your gender should be male. If your sex is female, your identification should be female. Any other combination is the untruthfulness that I was referring to.
These people, yourself included, can't even explain what being male means or what being female means. The only way we use these terms is in relation to a person's sex (or when we anthropomorphize non-living objects, such as a car). Why do these people identify as something other than their biological sex? There has to be a motivator beyond, "I was born X, but I feel like I am Y." That is a circular argument, and I have yet to see someone properly articulate what it actually means to be male or female. Reconstruction surgery to give a woman a penis doesn't make them a male. Reconstruction surgery to give a man a vagina doesn't make them a female.
Woopah
Member
I dont claim to be an expert on the matter, so to quote the World Health Organisation:
Sex refers to “the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females, such as reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones, etc.”
Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed."
Gender identity refers to "a person’s deeply felt, internal and individual experience of gender, which may or may not correspond to the person’s physiology or designated sex at birth."
So yes, it is that the gender identity they feel (based on the characteristics of their society) is different from the biological sex they were born as.
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IFireflyl
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Woopah
, I know what the WHO says on the matter. I'm educated on the subject. What you said addresses nothing I said. If a man feels like a woman (or vice versa), the solution isn't to call them a woman (or vice versa). The solution is to treat that as what it is, which is a symptom of something wrong. This is my last response since you don't know anything about this except how to regurgitate talking points. This is a mental illness, and treating it as a normal condition is doing a disservice to both the afflicted and the people they come into contact with them.
SlimeGooGoo
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Woopah
Member
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how it should be treated, or how someone putting he/him in his Twitter profile is doing anyone a disservice.
But I respect that you no longer want to discuss this.