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I hope Starfield's reception marks the end of all huge empty open worlds in gaming.
Hudo
Member
This is what confuses me as well and people give me shit for voicing that.
Reave
Member
Sure. Plenty of video games have boring or underwhelming moments. It’s just quite bizarre that Starfield is where some of you apparently drew the line.
SirTerry-T
Member
Has it even been 24 hours since its release?
Jesus fucking Christ....
Jesus fucking Christ....
Larxia
Member
I disagree, it just depends if you actually like space or not.
I played Elite Dangerous for about 400 hours and I loved it. Space in that game was incredibly immersive, and that feeling of loneliness, of endless space, was something very unique that gave me chills. There is a lot to love about Space, but not everyone actually like it when they realise it's not Star Wars.
NikuNashi
Member
Engagement! Haha.
What matters is moving hardware units, it's the only measurement of Starfields success. So let's see if it moves the needle for Xbox.
Bkdk
Member
OP completely misses the point, starfield’s poor reception is the opposite of a big open world, they split the world up into a big disjointed loading mess. Had this been fallout 5 with some vehicle combat, it would have received way better with one massive seamless open world with everything in there.
OuterLimits
Member
"and the warriors that painted the game as GOTG"
Unfortunately we now also have the warriors pretending a game that scored 87/100 is horrendous garbage.
Reave
Member
According to whom?
Unknown Soldier
Member
People complained about the size of Hogwarts Legacy open world being too small and I was over here thinking HL was just right. I despise the Ubisoft model of making open world gigantic for no reason whatsoever.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
87 is great and it will increase with more reviews coming soon it oonly needs 3 points but MC doesn tmatter just enjoy the game
feynoob
Member
Hardware numbers is useless.
I can play starfield without owning xsx, due to xcloud.
This game is also PC day1, which also affects console sales.
OuterLimits
Member
87 is great and it will increase with more reviews coming soon it oonly needs 3 points but MC doesn tmatter just enjoy the game
Doubtful it gets to 90, but since it is a Bethesda game it will definitely improve significantly over time. Content from Bethesda directly and user created mods
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NikuNashi
Member
So MS should go third party, drop the boxes and put GP on PS5. Let's see.
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
COMPLETELY disagree. Maybe if you hate racing games otherwise.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Someone else highlighted this. But if PS let Game Pass on their platform (even if Xbox stopped producing consoles) - Xbox would still be highly incentivised to continue on their acquisition spree because this will starve PlayStation of revenue from game sales whilst growing their own revenue.
It can’t work.
Kataploom
Gold Member
That's the reason I prefer Arkham asylum to the City and Knight, I like having freedom to explore and do things at my own pace but damn I feel overwhelmed by very large maps, I still play those games but if they're not Zelda, Xenoblade (in which I prefer maps that big) or some franchise I love for that, they're far from being priority in my list
Reave
Member
You would have a great point if there weren't hundreds of thousands of gamers playing Starfield in early-access.
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feynoob
Member
Hahhahaha, that is a funny joke right there.
The only reason they are in this business is because they don't want sony dominate the home consoles in America.
You are saying they should give revenue to the same company they are trying to stop.
Anyway, that is not going to happen. If MS does put gamepass on PS, Sony will lose a lot of revenue. Because MS will eat those revenue through gamepass.
MS going 3rd party is more scary than them having Xbox console. They can put a lot of games on gamepass and have the funds necessary to put those AAA games on the service.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THIS!
NikuNashi
Member
All the Xbox gang when the hardware sales numbers came out. All we heard was Starfield comes out next month and it will move units. Now the tune has changed?
SirTerry-T
Member
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MarkMe2525
Member
I feel the opposite. Once people accept the game for what it is (a Bethesda RPG) and not what it isn't (no man's sky), I feel as if the real discussion of the game will begin.
bender
What time is it?
Fixed those typos for you pal.
Guilty_AI
Member
You disagree because you haven't played good open world racing games.
RAIDEN1
Member
It reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 5.....vast open barren lands, with you and just the russians.....absolutely boring, was I hoping it to be akin to a modern day Rambo 3? Maybe... but I would quite happily trade-in the open-world for the tight engaging stories of Metal Gear 1-4.....cut-scenes or no cut-scenes
but I would quite happily trade-in the open-world for the tight engaging stories of Metal Gear 1-4.....cut-scenes or no cut-scenes
Madflavor
Member
Currently the 2nd highest rated topic on the Starfield subreddit, only behind Todd Howard's open letter thanking the fans. Now I don't know about you, but if it's been less than 24 hours since your game's release, in Early Access, and a topic complaining about their disappointment in the game reaches that many upvotes and comments in the very sub were the most dedicated fans reside, then that's generally not a good sign.
But hey, maaaybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe this is just a very tiny amount of fans that had their expectations set to infinity and beyond, and even after a months time we all agree that Starfield is a remarkable achievement in game design.
bender
What time is it?
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I like how streamlined 5th edition is.
Fbh
Member
I still don't get why people talk as if this game is a failure. By every metric we have so far (reviews and active users despite being in a $35 early access) it seems like a successful game. It's just not the best game of all time (or arguably even this year).
I just hope maybe this time people will learn to set their expectations right? I swear every time a game with a big scale gets announced a lot of people start making up this dream in their head of a game with thousands of amazing hand crafted quests, locations, dungeons, characters, conversations, enemies, etc. "Most studios seem to struggle to make more than like 30 hours of good content before they start adding bloat and repetition, but I'm sure this one devs somehow made 9000 hours worth of the highest quality unique content"
The second Bethesda announced the game had 1000 planets anyone with a bit of gaming experience should have known what to expect.
I just hope maybe this time people will learn to set their expectations right? I swear every time a game with a big scale gets announced a lot of people start making up this dream in their head of a game with thousands of amazing hand crafted quests, locations, dungeons, characters, conversations, enemies, etc. "Most studios seem to struggle to make more than like 30 hours of good content before they start adding bloat and repetition, but I'm sure this one devs somehow made 9000 hours worth of the highest quality unique content"
The second Bethesda announced the game had 1000 planets anyone with a bit of gaming experience should have known what to expect.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
lol console warriors
bender
What time is it?
I haven't played since '92-94. 2nd edition maybe?
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Don't be like that. Name them and find out.
I think it's an incredibly stupid, dishonest, and ignorant take. I would also like to hear them actually describe the mechanics of how they would pull off what they want, if they even actually know what they want.
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dorkimoe
Member
Technically it’s not even released. Just the Uber nerds who paid extra to play early lmao
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
Not to rant on Starfield, it looks great and I'm excited as fuck to play it on Wednesday, but I agree with the criticism of open worlds being too large, and devs tripping over themselves to surpass the scope and ambition. I for one would like for devs to actually scale back on their worlds. For example, as great as Elden Ring was, it's gargantuan size is just too damn big and time consuming, especially for me who likes repeat playthroughs and ng+. Every time I hear devs talking about "hundreds of hours of playtime", I'm kinda zoning out and just go "ah shit, here we go again." Just my two cents. But in the end, I play them because I love these type of games. So I guess I just have to roll with it.
Guilty_AI
Member
bender
What time is it?
Guilty_AI
Member
Need for Speed U2
Need for Speed MW 05
Test Drive Unlimited
Midnight Club 2/3/LA
Burnout Paradise
NFS Hot Pursuit 2010
Forza Horizon 1
Driver San Francisco
Beamng.drive
DaGwaphics
Member
If you think the results of this release is going to cause other games with features you consider similar to it to be canceled, I feel bad for you.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Did you just ignore the fact that the 2nd biggest post on the Starfield Reddit, is about how disappointing it is?
The sad truth is that if people didn't evangelize the game as the second coming or a 11/10 like Phil Spencer said, there would be no disappointment.
Imagine. Todd Howard: "It's not as big as it seems. We wanted to do a space action game with sparse RPG elements. You don't really fly to planets, and the main story is where the good design in terms of structure is. It won't change the world, and it is no Skyrim but we tried something different. Just as glitchy as before but it's a fairly decent game. We are proud of it."
Then you wouldn't have that kind of pushback. Too much weight was put on this game's shoulders and it's a new IP.
They promised the GOAT of GOATs, and even a few days ago Pete Hines was saying how you could explore every planet with no restriction, which is bullshit. The space travel is bullshit. Cool moments where "I stole a pirate ship and now another pirate group is stealing it back" sounds amazing until you realize that it's scripted to happen to pretty much every player.
Again, I will spend hundreds of hours in this game, and I will not regret a single second but like Bill and Ted, it's time to face the music. This is no GOAT. Hell, it isn't even the best RPG with Star in it's name during it's release week.
They hyped it too much. It's no Redfall that's for sure. And I liked what I played of Redfall. Got to the final eclipse boss but couldn't finish it. Not because it was bad, just because I had to give the Series X back.