LostDonkey
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Huge Halo Infinite Leak | 4K 120 FPS on Xbox Series X ?!
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Do you mind sharing the gameplay you've seen, I must have missed it.
FlyyGOD
Member
As far as I'm concerned I have only seen cutscene using " in game graphic engines ". I'll hold my judgment on these game when I see actual gameplay.sorry guys not buying it. a game that started dev in 2015 was not built for the series x. i mean the proof is in the pudding and it doesnt look next gen at all.
this looks current gen as fuck and thats an 8k screenshot from MS themselves.
Thankfully we finally know what next gen games look like and even though im not a fan of what Sony showed, its a clear generational leap from Halo Infinite.
Hell, MS's own studios destroy Halo Infinite.
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EliTheIceMan
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Complete and utter bullshit
Balducci30
Member
fuck 120 fps wtf - save that shit for multiplayer or something
MasterCornholio
Member
sorry guys not buying it. a game that started dev in 2015 was not built for the series x. i mean the proof is in the pudding and it doesnt look next gen at all.
this looks current gen as fuck and thats an 8k screenshot from MS themselves.
Thankfully we finally know what next gen games look like and even though im not a fan of what Sony showed, its a clear generational leap from Halo Infinite.
Hell, MS's own studios destroy Halo Infinite.
So Halo Infinite Destroys Halo Infinite?
WTF?
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Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
What the fuck are you talking about?
Several of your posts in this thread have made absolutely zero sense. Sober up or go to bed.
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Mister Wolf
Member
sorry guys not buying it. a game that started dev in 2015 was not built for the series x. i mean the proof is in the pudding and it doesnt look next gen at all.
this looks current gen as fuck and thats an 8k screenshot from MS themselves.
Thankfully we finally know what next gen games look like and even though im not a fan of what Sony showed, its a clear generational leap from Halo Infinite.
Hell, MS's own studios destroy Halo Infinite.
When did they ever say that was the Series X version?
LostDonkey
Member
Armorian
Banned
It could work like VR on PS4, scaled back resolution in details, equivalent to low settings on PC. But that it could be in native 4K at the same time... it would have to be in Halo 3 quality of GFX.
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Caio
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In some cases there can be two separate teams working on two different versions of the same Game, Also developing with XSX in mind and then port it to base XBox One hardware can greatly limit the negative effect of holding back the more powerful hardware. Scalability can work not only around the amount of details, draw distance, particle effects, textures, IQ, resolution or frame rate, but also AI, animations, collision system, phisics, etc. It's up to the developers. It's more costy, so you might expect this from the best MS Exclusive Games.
XSX exclusive games will come later on. By the way, I'm expecting Halo Infinite to look beautiful and play great on XSX, cannot wait to see gameplay footage !
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bumleforce
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I don't think we get 4k 120. Maybe 1080p 120 but i think on any AAA game on either system they will have to still turn off features to do it.
CrysisFreak
Banned
I doubt it's 120fps as 60fps makes much more sense right now considering most people don't even have 120fps displays.
But I'd be impressed if it is indeed 120.
But I'd be impressed if it is indeed 120.
sobaka770
Banned
If it's 120FPS on XboX series X it's a clear indication that the game is basically current gen.
Which is terrible for a flagship franchise and a system-seller which we know nothing about and has to release in about 4 months.
I do not see 120FPS as being such a strong system seller this early on especially if the compromise is next-gen graphics effects.
Which is terrible for a flagship franchise and a system-seller which we know nothing about and has to release in about 4 months.
I do not see 120FPS as being such a strong system seller this early on especially if the compromise is next-gen graphics effects.
CuNi
Member
I have both a 144hz and 240hz monitor and I can tell you the difference is noticeable. Biggest jump is from 60 to 144 and a smaller but still noticeable jump from 144 to 240.
FP16 (half) performance = 24.29 TFLOPS (2:1)
FP32 (float) performance = 12.15 TFLOPS
Xbox Series X is just a 12TFLOP machine, nothing more
you are comparing Cutscenes assets quality to ingame quality assets (Halo Infinite), you inteligentsorry guys not buying it. a game that started dev in 2015 was not built for the series x. i mean the proof is in the pudding and it doesnt look next gen at all.
this looks current gen as fuck and thats an 8k screenshot from MS themselves.
Thankfully we finally know what next gen games look like and even though im not a fan of what Sony showed, its a clear generational leap from Halo Infinite.
Hell, MS's own studios destroy Halo Infinite.
Pizdetz
Banned
Who even cares about 120 FPS in the campaign?
Honestly it's a waste. For competitive multiplayer, maybe that's important.
4K at 120 fps is even more questionable, especially with high quality graphics.
If you consider the RTX 2080 Ti, that card is supposed to be better than the XSX GPU, or close. It can't even break 60 FPS at 4K in something like ass creed odyssey and stays in the neighborhood of 60 FPS for other major good looking games.
www.eurogamer.net
I think people are expecting too much from next gen. The 120 FPS will likely be for older games and where there is emphasis on online competitive play.
Honestly it's a waste. For competitive multiplayer, maybe that's important.
4K at 120 fps is even more questionable, especially with high quality graphics.
If you consider the RTX 2080 Ti, that card is supposed to be better than the XSX GPU, or close. It can't even break 60 FPS at 4K in something like ass creed odyssey and stays in the neighborhood of 60 FPS for other major good looking games.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti benchmarks: the new top card tested
Nvidia's strongest consumer GeForce graphics card tested in the latest games at 1080p, 1440p and 4K.
www.eurogamer.net
I think people are expecting too much from next gen. The 120 FPS will likely be for older games and where there is emphasis on online competitive play.
oldergamer
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That's not what the 25tf means. That's the old argument from the PS4 using half precision floats never really made much of a difference.
MS added hardware to specifically speed up the "expensive setup step" needed when performing ray tracing. They explained some of this in the deep dives into the hardware. You can look it up.
The setup step occurs prior to the burden on the shaders hardware. This is also why MS was saying "Hardware Ray tracing", because they added hardware to assist the shaders. The same custom hardware to perform setup, doesn't exist on PS5. Xbox can perform the setup step without impacting the performance on the rest of the shaders. This is basically saying that this hardware in addition to the rest of the GPU performance, is the "equivalent" of 25TF.
Some here will cry about this if they want, but the fact is, not only does XSX have more shaders, and shaders that can do more (shader hardware can communicate with other shaders to daisy chain or something to that effect was mentioned in patents), the shaders also won't get bogged down in performance during the setup step for Ray tracing (if you compare to PS5). Add to that some of the other efficiencies in the hardware, and it gives MS a performance boost when using the feature.
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Andodalf
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I wouldn’t be shocked at all for a 120 mode for MP. They want to have a strong pro scene and will have to support high refresh rate for pc. I doubt it’ll be 4K and it’ll have other things dialed back, but a 120 FPS mode should be the norm for any game that wants a pro scene on next gen
Caffeine
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oldergamer
Member
I was being facetious....
oldergamer
Member
Is that narrated by the guy from the big bang theory??? LOL
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
First of all you spelled intelligent wrong.
Secondly, all halo footage we have seen is cutscene. Just like hellblade 2 and horizon 2.
Nice try.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Xbox system architect Andrew Goossen said:
How this works right now is a mystery, but the whole point of series x is that ray tracing is to its console, as SSD IO is to PS5.
And the “4k at ultra 120” is also possible, I mean, for one thing you don’t actually know what ultra means in this case. But I can pull 120fps at 4k ultra on a fair few games, and that’s on my 2080ti. With console specific enhancements, that’s absolutely possible. But again, it all depends on what “ultra” is in the first place, because Halo games are very, very light on power.
Kuranghi
Member
What TV model exactly do you have? It should be on a sticker on the back left or right side. Loads of TV's these days can do 1080p/1440p at 120hz. So you might have a 3rd option.
Kuranghi
Member
What games do you play at 4K@120 + Ultra settings on your 2080ti?
01011001
Banned
Ultra is not a standardized term you know?
Ultra could literally mean that they pushed the Xbox Series X as far as possible without dropping too far below 120fps, and then converted that to PC and called it the Ultra settings.
so even arguing about this is absolute nonsense since we don't know what Ultra means in this context.
not only that, Ultra is often not even the highest settings. many games, including Forza Horizon 4 and Forza 7 for example, have "extreme" options on PC that will absolutely destroy your PC if you don't have super high end parts.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Any game from recent times works fine. Modern Warfare multiplayer hits over 100fps the vast majority of the time. Obviously not all games are created equal in terms of optimisation versus performance.
But you just proved my point. You can’t just make a blanket statement and say it’s true. It depends on the game. I recently played through command and conquer and that reached over 4000fps at 4k. Would you expect that to count? But I also recently played through RE2, which hit my 144hz monitor cap I put in place, again at 4k ultra quality. I also played through half life Alyx at ultra at the max resolution my rift s would allow, and it never missed a beat once, though that was capped to my headset refresh rate.
But then, there are games that are far older and far less optimised that won’t hit that.
The point is, when you’re making a game for a set set of specs, you CAN reach a higher potential. And it’s more than possible that the system has enough grunt to render this at 120 at 4k. I mean in this same thread, people are saying the game looks like shit and worse than PS4 games, much less PS5. So which is it? If it looks like shit, surely it can reach 120 at 4k?
The point I’m making is ultra is a term used for very high (not even max future proof) settings, and that changes based on the title and it’s needs.
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Kuranghi
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Your reply has nothing to do with what I was asking, I was asking which games
Gavin Stevens
has played at ultra settings and achieved 4K@120fps on his 2080ti, nothing to do with Halo Infinite.I understand what you are saying and I agree but its not relevant to my message.
Source?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Personally, I would be just happy with 60fps/4k/rt for SP, 120fps/4k or CB/limited RT for MP.
I don’t think we need to reach too high for some things.
I don’t think we need to reach too high for some things.
Kuranghi
Member
Yes, of course it depends on the games, I just wanted to know the specific ones because I like to know about well optimised games.
I just wish people wouldn't exaggerate stuff so much, its just misleading. I just looked a bunch of benchmarks graph and benchmark videoes for RE2make and it does not run at anywhere near 144hz on a 2080ti at 4K + Ultra settings, its around 70-90 average according to everything I saw. I'm sure meant it hit 144hz at times but you didn't consistently stay there but you said "I can pull 120fps at 4k ultra on a fair few games", and the example you gave runs at 80 fps average in a best case scenario on a 2080ti (+ good RAM + top end CPU). I bet you neogaf gold that during close ups of G your fps goes below 60 fps.
If you meant it hits 120/144hz in certain scenes then that make more sense to me, the main reason I am being such a stickler here is if the console can't keep 120hz most of the time its going to drop to a lower fps, because its going to be v-sync'd (we don't know if next-gen will have triple buffering, its not in current gen) so it will drop to 60hz, that or it will tear due to using adaptive v-sync (which is a big no-no for me, I wouldn't play a tearing game the same way I wouldn't watch a movie with someone big head in the way). So actually being able to maintain that fps is very important, these upper bounds of the benchmark are irrelevant because they would see the average fps (which is what you see during most gameplay sections) and cap it to 60.
I'm not trying to attack you btw, I just don't like people talking rubbish. Maybe a more sensible statement would've been: "I can run many games at 4K60 + Ultra settings on my 2080ti so next-gen could do even better with console/api optimisations".
This is all relevant if you play with v-sync off/adaptive v-sync but I don't see that as a viable way to play a game, only to benchmark it.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
The way I see things is that you have a performance delta, a performance target. If I want to hit 120, I need to know that I either have to make adjustments to meet that target, or understand that it may not be 120 all the time. The fact of the matter is, I comfortably hit over 120 in RE2 the vast majority of the time, with its ultra settings. I haven’t seen it hit as low as 70, ever. I did see it dip to under 100 for a small section with a lot of effects. RE2 is a very well optimised PC port though, and with my setup runs perfectly fine. It’s also an older game now, and my rig handles it well.
The thing is, it’s actually quite rare for a game aim for 60 on consoles and stay at 60 the entire time. You will get the odd drop here and there, and that’s seen as totally fine. For a 120hz target you absolutely must lower your expectations a bit and understand that the power it takes to reach that at 4k is absurd, more so in a cheap ass £500 box (and yes, both consoles are stupidly cheap compared to what’s inside them).
To expect a game to hit 120fps 100% of the times at 4k is silly. It just need to reach that the majority of the time.
But again it falls back to... what IS ultra. Because doom 3 has an ultra config and I’m pretty sure that will work 120fps at 4k.
So the use of the term is a bit loose. It all depends on what’s being rendered on screen. Anybody expecting halo to look like horizon 2 is going to be massively let down... it will look gorgeous, sure, but it’s not that type of game. It’s a twitch shooter that relies on snap aiming, smooth movement and clarity. It’s a different beast.
The thing is, it’s actually quite rare for a game aim for 60 on consoles and stay at 60 the entire time. You will get the odd drop here and there, and that’s seen as totally fine. For a 120hz target you absolutely must lower your expectations a bit and understand that the power it takes to reach that at 4k is absurd, more so in a cheap ass £500 box (and yes, both consoles are stupidly cheap compared to what’s inside them).
To expect a game to hit 120fps 100% of the times at 4k is silly. It just need to reach that the majority of the time.
But again it falls back to... what IS ultra. Because doom 3 has an ultra config and I’m pretty sure that will work 120fps at 4k.
So the use of the term is a bit loose. It all depends on what’s being rendered on screen. Anybody expecting halo to look like horizon 2 is going to be massively let down... it will look gorgeous, sure, but it’s not that type of game. It’s a twitch shooter that relies on snap aiming, smooth movement and clarity. It’s a different beast.
There was a tweet where it said Halo Infinite is just gonna be like God of War, single shot, so gameplay and cutscenes with the same quality assets and FX fidelity.
you can actually notice that in the trailer, its just a single shot
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Must be the SSD
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oldergamer
Member
I'm not a search engine i think you are looking for google. MS talks about it somewhere.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
That doesn’t mean much really, I mean TLOUS has shots that are single shot, but you just swap out the higher quality rig for a lower quality one. Most games do this, it’s a waste of resources otherwise to be using an overly complex facial rig for normal ingame use.
I would be seriously impressed if this is 120 with full on RT and ultra settings. I expect that to reach 120 they will turn some stuff down, for sure. 60 with be where they shine.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
that has nothing to do with anything. a realtime cutscene is a realtime cutscene. doesnt matter if its one take or two takes. gow looks better in cutscenes just like the last of us. even the last of us has a single shot scene. means nothing.
stickkidsam
Member
4k and 120FPS just had me wondering how much they sacrificed to hit those numbers. I really would rather see the resources poured into gameplay than fidelity... I don't know shit about game engines and how that all comes together though so maybe it's not as much of a trade off as I'm thinking.
I mean source for the claim that BVH acceleration structures don't exist in the PS5 GPU.