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Epic Games has a Monopoly but no one seem to care
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AncientOrigin
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I am sorry but that is nonsense.UE5 looks amazing I wish every game would like that.We all want amazing looking games and UE5 does that.We all would be worried when the engine was like Bethestas junk engine but that is not the case.It is good that everyone is using UE5 not because we get amazing looking games but the games will be faster made easier for developers and everyone will know the engine in and out.So Everyone wins.
VN1X
Gold Member
The biggest games/franchises all run on their own engines (still) which is pretty cool. CoD, R6 Siege, Apex, Halo, DOTA/LoL, Elden Ring, GTA, Battlefield, Destiny/Warframe, CSGO, Valorant, etc
I know this can be done with cherry picking obviously but this is just to say that some of the biggest multi-platform titles or franchises still utilize their own tech.
I know this can be done with cherry picking obviously but this is just to say that some of the biggest multi-platform titles or franchises still utilize their own tech.
Azurro
Member
If a team uses the built-in implementations it means they didn't have the budget or expertise to create their own, so UE5 is still a great benefit.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Prolly China's big game plan for the long term. why else would Epic be giving such good incentives.
And on the other hand do most game dev studios even bother making their own engine? we're moving into a new generation of dev's that have grown up on smart phones and a lot of creatives aren't all that deep into tech like the OG's were back in the days.
Think about it for a moment a whole generation of game devs grew up making games on the early versions of home computers and consoles. Not a lot of folks are doing that with an Xbox, Nintendo or Sony systems.
And on the other hand do most game dev studios even bother making their own engine? we're moving into a new generation of dev's that have grown up on smart phones and a lot of creatives aren't all that deep into tech like the OG's were back in the days.
Think about it for a moment a whole generation of game devs grew up making games on the early versions of home computers and consoles. Not a lot of folks are doing that with an Xbox, Nintendo or Sony systems.
The_hunter
Member
An engine is just the tools to make a game. Doesn't matter too much.
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Sentenza
Member
I *am* a bit worried about how everyone and their grandmas are switching to UE and abandoning proprietary tech at an alarming pace, but "every game will look the same" is absolutely NOT the reason for it.
The impoverishment (in terms of variety) of the technological landscape and the concentration of power in the hands of of a not-particularly-user-friendly company owned at 50% by Tencent are far bigger concerns.
The impoverishment (in terms of variety) of the technological landscape and the concentration of power in the hands of of a not-particularly-user-friendly company owned at 50% by Tencent are far bigger concerns.
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Duchess
Member
Fucking capitalists.
They should diversify and use Unity. Us gamers won't mind suffering through a 10% performance penalty ...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The Monopoly in question is their Unreal Game Engine. With the latest being the Unreal Engine 5.
Now you may say why would anyone care about a Game Engine Monopoly? but the truth runs deeper than that
After big huge Game Dev like CDPR say they will switch over to UE5 for the Witcher 4 instead of using their own in house REDengine i started to get worry
The Witcher 4: CD Projekt Explains Why It Switched to Unreal Engine 5 - IGN
CD Projekt Red has offered some insight as to why it has decided to use Unreal Engine 5 for its upcoming new Witcher saga game, rather than its in-house REDengine 4.www.ign.com
Now today it announced that Crystal Dynamics will also no longer use their Foundation in-house game engine but instead also switch to UE5
for their new Tomb Raider game
New Tomb Raider Game Developed on Unreal Engine 5 Announced - IGN
A new Tomb Raider game has officially been announced by Crystal Dynamics, and it will be developed on Unreal Engine 5.
Is all the big 3rd party publishers and Developers gone to all Switch to UE5?
who will be the next big Dev to switch from their in house game engine to UE5?
Rockstar Games? Capcom? FromSoftware?
If so that will be bad for game engine diversity if everyone is using the same thing it will all look the same and feel the same
lastly don't forget that Tencent owned 40% of Epic Games
Every game company that Tencent has invested in
A quick reference of how China's largest tech conglomerate has quietly expanded into videogames.www.pcgamer.com
Thus another reason to not want a Unreal Game Engine Monopoly in the gaming industry
as Tencent/China will have their hands on everything in the Western world and that is bad for everyone
Agree, it is a concern.
sertopico
Member
There's no monopoly here. Nobody is forcing anybody to use their engine.
Why should one worry? Back in the days where xbox 360 and ps3 came out most of the games were made with UE. This engine offers the most interesting tech and tools right now, other than being downloadable from anybody. It's no wonder that many software houses want to adopt it.
Why should one worry? Back in the days where xbox 360 and ps3 came out most of the games were made with UE. This engine offers the most interesting tech and tools right now, other than being downloadable from anybody. It's no wonder that many software houses want to adopt it.
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alucard0712_rus
Member
Same as Nvidia 'monopoly'. It's just a very good product thus popular.
oldergamer
Member
Not even close to a monopoly
nemiroff
Gold Member
I don't know about market shares and monopolies.. "Back in the days" it could be annoying for the end user when the dev tools were limited and "everyone" used the same cheap graphical filters making games sort-of looking the same. It's much less of a problem today when the toolboxes in UE5 are bigger and more varied making it possible to carve unique paths to the end.
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kraspkibble
Permabanned.
it's not a monopoly. there are other game engines out there for people to use and they are more than free to make their own if they want. however a lot of studios don't want to create their own because of the cost. they'd rather give epic some of their money.
it is crazy how many games they make money off but it's not a monopoly. epic isn't forcing anyone to use unreal.
it is crazy how many games they make money off but it's not a monopoly. epic isn't forcing anyone to use unreal.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Time will tell but you have reason to be skeptical.
lostinblue
Member
RED Engine was crap.After big huge Game Dev like CDPR say they will switch over to UE5 for the Witcher 4 instead of using their own in house REDengine i started to get worry
The Witcher 4: CD Projekt Explains Why It Switched to Unreal Engine 5 - IGN
CD Projekt Red has offered some insight as to why it has decided to use Unreal Engine 5 for its upcoming new Witcher saga game, rather than its in-house REDengine 4.
That said, I don't know if switching for UE5 is a good move for them. Generally lacks de overhead for doing what they are used to doing. They need to have a bigger plan than just switching it.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Nah, that’s not even the case now with UE4.
UE is very flexible now unlike UE3. Hell you can make an 8 bit looking 2d game in UE4.
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I don't see the issue here at all? Good product, good name, good support, good price? There are plenty of options out there including self made engines. The gaming doesn't really on Epic or Unreal engine, in fact it's the other way around. People could use Source for example or use their own. Not Epics fault people can't make their own engines for a decent price.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
the issue here is epic = bad.
at least that's the narrative on here. same goes for microsoft.
FingerBang
Gold Member
"A monopoly is a dominant position of an industry or a sector by one company, to the point of excluding all other viable competitors."
Does the popularity of UE5 exclude all other viable competitors? Are they doing anything that prevents others to get in the game?
Nah man, there's TONS of game engines you don't know. How about web games? How about mobile games? 2D games? This is far from a monopoly. How about all the in-house engines owned by teams all over the world, big and small? How about stuff like Game Maker and Godot and Unity?
There is one simple reason UE4/5 got so popular, it's cheaper that way and the engineers can focus on making the game instead of creating/maintaining the engine. You have no idea what a huge pain in the ass that is. And that's ignoring how painful it is to work for a company and having to learn that new engine from scratch.
Do you want triple AAA games with all the bells and whistles and not having to wait 8 years between entries? Then something like UE5 is the answer. You can hire tons of people who already know how to develop for hit. You find a huge community online and are able to share knowledge between studios. It's actively maintained by paid engineers who can fix serious bugs faster. Oh, and if your game sells like shit, you don't pay them much and haven't lost years on an engine that might never be used again.
Yes, having other players in the game will be great, but let's not ask like they're holding gaming back in any way.
I also don't get the point of games all looking the same. In which way Wonderlands, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 and the Ascent look and play the same?
Does the popularity of UE5 exclude all other viable competitors? Are they doing anything that prevents others to get in the game?
Nah man, there's TONS of game engines you don't know. How about web games? How about mobile games? 2D games? This is far from a monopoly. How about all the in-house engines owned by teams all over the world, big and small? How about stuff like Game Maker and Godot and Unity?
There is one simple reason UE4/5 got so popular, it's cheaper that way and the engineers can focus on making the game instead of creating/maintaining the engine. You have no idea what a huge pain in the ass that is. And that's ignoring how painful it is to work for a company and having to learn that new engine from scratch.
Do you want triple AAA games with all the bells and whistles and not having to wait 8 years between entries? Then something like UE5 is the answer. You can hire tons of people who already know how to develop for hit. You find a huge community online and are able to share knowledge between studios. It's actively maintained by paid engineers who can fix serious bugs faster. Oh, and if your game sells like shit, you don't pay them much and haven't lost years on an engine that might never be used again.
Yes, having other players in the game will be great, but let's not ask like they're holding gaming back in any way.
I also don't get the point of games all looking the same. In which way Wonderlands, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 and the Ascent look and play the same?
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
UE5 isn't even close to having a presence enough to be considered a "monopoly".
I don't even think you can call this a monopoly. Companies are using this engine because they want to. It's available to them and they chose to use it. That's it.
They are free to use others...
I don't even think you can call this a monopoly. Companies are using this engine because they want to. It's available to them and they chose to use it. That's it.
They are free to use others...
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I warned you about this:
This isn't due to an UE5 monopoly though. It's due to trying to cut costs by having little to no inhouse engine developers, just content creators. This has happened because of the shift in the industry towards GaaS and big budget single player content designed to wow you and sold at retail has become less important/popular over the years.
This isn't due to an UE5 monopoly though. It's due to trying to cut costs by having little to no inhouse engine developers, just content creators. This has happened because of the shift in the industry towards GaaS and big budget single player content designed to wow you and sold at retail has become less important/popular over the years.
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OceanGaming
Member
Dude, calm you tits. CDPR is turning to UE5 because no one in house knows how to handle RedEngine anymore.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
They should get better board games and maybe people will care. Nobody wants to come over to play Monopoly.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Consolidating around a standardized set of tools is very helpful for recruitment and integrating new members quickly into teams.
Also, the biggest issue specifically with in-house tech solutions is that you need strong documentation -which is a lot of extra work, because if so much of the minutia exists only in the heads of the people who built the thing in the first place, what happens when they leave?
Also, the biggest issue specifically with in-house tech solutions is that you need strong documentation -which is a lot of extra work, because if so much of the minutia exists only in the heads of the people who built the thing in the first place, what happens when they leave?
KungFucius
Member
How exactly is DIY vs. 1 other option competition? It is consolidation and more and more devs are ditching their DIY solution in favor of UE which means some of their engineers will get shitcanned.
If it were actual competition, some other company would stand up a competing solution for devs to outsource that actually is a competitor to UE. I mean if there is money in it for Epic, there is money in it for anyone that can compete with them. Maybe Microsoft will look into spinning off one of their acquired in-house engines as a development option for games.
SLB1904
Banned
MasterCornholio
Member
I thought this was going to be about The Epic game store instead of Unreal Engine.
With that said everyone using Epics engine doesn't mean it's an illegal monopoly. People are using it because it's extremely good compared to the other engines on the market. Being better than your competitors doesn't make you a monopoly. Forcing people to use that product would be closer to what monopolies do.
With that said everyone using Epics engine doesn't mean it's an illegal monopoly. People are using it because it's extremely good compared to the other engines on the market. Being better than your competitors doesn't make you a monopoly. Forcing people to use that product would be closer to what monopolies do.
trikster40
Member
Monopolist does not equal most used. If Epic owned all of the game engines out there, that’s a monopoly. Devs get to choose what engine to use, or even create their own.
Ezquimacore
Banned
Epic has been building their business for 30 years and now they're literally EPIC. While I don't have problem with acquisitions, unlike other companies Epic games deserve everything they have because of their work and not their money.
