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[adamosmaki]

Didnt like it. They tried to make it more complex than it should have been ( really not needed for a doom game ) and failed . It felt clunky.
Then its the story which is a letdown compared to 2016 ( not that the story is much of an importance on doom but still )

 

[niilokin]

Dunno why Eternal is considered to be too complex. Need ammo? Use the chainsaw. Need health? Do a glory kill. Need armor? Use the flame belch.
Most importantly, always keep moving.
it's that simple.

Things I later learned was to never try to save my abilities, just use them all the time, the cooldowns aren't that long. Also the freeze grenade makes some encounters trivial.

I always felt like the constant chainsawing for ammo ruins the flow of combat.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I always felt like the constant chainsawing for ammo ruins the flow of combat.

How? It literally allows you to continue the combat, endlessly. No more jumping around and scrounging for ammo. The Chainsaw is already a powerful tool and you only need to press *one* button now, versus the 2 you needed in 2016. It also takes less than a second to chainsaw an enemy in your way.

 

[rofif]

In DOOM, DOOM II, and DOOM 64 he single handedly defeated Hell's Armies. He has always been an omega chad. Master Chief was modeled *after DOOM Marine*, not the other way around.

But doom marine was always a human. And doom was originally more like a combat puzzle game. Halo is more doom than eternal is

 

[Dr. Claus]

But doom marine was always a human. And doom was originally more like a combat puzzle game. Halo is more doom than eternal is

Did you ever play DOOM and DOOM II? It was not a puzzle at all, aside from figuring out where to find the keys. Which is still in 2016 and Eternal. Hell, Eternal had more thought put into its combat and systems than the any previous entry.

 

[rofif]

Did you ever play DOOM and DOOM II? It was not a puzzle at all, aside from figuring out where to find the keys. Which is still in 2016 and Eternal. Hell, Eternal had more thought put into its combat and systems than the any previous entry.

Not that type of puzzle.
Combat puzzle. What weapon is good for what enemies. How to approach each room. Halo does this perfect too.

 

[Roberts]

I have no strong negative feelings about both games. Memory's hazy, but I think I liked the first one better because of its relative straightforward gameplay and simplicity, but Eternal was super fun too.

 

[Kev Kev]

I finished it after several tries and wound up kind of liking it, but it killed the franchise for me tbh. I'm just not interested in future Doom games if this is the direction they are going. If they go back to a more simplistic formula I'll be back in, but I don't care for this twitch shooting while juggling a dozen different tools kind of stuff. At least we still have 2016. That was such a glorious revival for Doom.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I hated those long ass complicated jumping puzzles.

 

[The_Mike]

Dunno why Eternal is considered to be too complex. Need ammo? Use the chainsaw. Need health? Do a glory kill. Need armor? Use the flame belch

Because people don't like these game mechanics introduced in an already well established franchise.

 

[StereoVsn]

Didn't like Eternal much. I go to Doom for lots of fast shooting, not to think hard on where I need to jump, platforming, melee combat to get ammo and so on. I did finish the game with trusty cheats , but honestly it was a waste of time for me.

I mean sure, if you are into that the game seems great and super fast. Not my cup of tea. Plus, jeez, the story, what the heck.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Not a fan what they did with Eternal either. Keeping it more in line with Doom 64 / 2016 is what I wanted.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Game is crap compared to doom 2016, doom 1 and 2 and doom 3.

Its story sucked and all it has for me is graphics. I want to blast demons and move fast. Some platforming is fine but enough with the limited ammo. This isn't survival horror or a puzzle game series. Hated it. Sadly many new fans like it and we will probably not get a classic fps.

We hardly ever get classic fps anymore.

 

[tomato shrub]

The fact that it slams you with tutorials, story and icons made it feel like it was made by someone very different from the 2016 game. You know, the one that seemed to make fun of modern shooters with too much story and handholding.

 

[NightmareFarm]

filtered.

 

[NightmareFarm]

Game is crap compared to doom 2016, doom 1 and 2 and doom 3.

Its story sucked and all it has for me is graphics. I want to blast demons and move fast. Some platforming is fine but enough with the limited ammo. This isn't survival horror or a puzzle game series. Hated it. Sadly many new fans like it and we will probably not get a classic fps.

We hardly ever get classic fps anymore.

You don't play doom games for the story.

Eternal embraces "blast demons and move fast" more than any previous game in the franchise or any other FPS.

 

[NightmareFarm]

The fact that it slams you with tutorials, story and icons made it feel like it was made by someone very different from the 2016 game. You know, the one that seemed to make fun of modern shooters with too much story and handholding.

Most of the tutorials(which each lasted like a minute) were in the first few levels to introduce the new mechanics.

And you have more story interruptions in 2016 iirc. I remember lots of elevator dialogue scenes in that game.

 

[tomato shrub]

Most of the tutorials(which each lasted like a minute) were in the first few levels to introduce the new mechanics.

That is just not true. Up until the final boss, I had to watch video tutorials of how to beat the enemies - before I could even try myself. One of the worst cases of handholding I've ever seen.

 

[\m/etalStorm]

I loved Doom 2016, but Eternal is to Doom what RE6 is to Resident Evil.

 

[Balducci30]

Eternal is so much better than 2016.

 

[NightmareFarm]

That is just not true. Up until the final boss, I had to watch video tutorials of how to beat the enemies - before I could even try myself. One of the worst cases of handholding I've ever seen.

> I had to watch video tutorials of how to beat the enemies

Rarely happened after like the 3rd or 4th level. And the tutorials only took like a minute long.

 

[Astral Dog]

think he meant to writte "God its so good!"

 

[AV]

I had to watch video tutorials of how to beat the enemies - before I could even try myself.

You could've just turned them off.

 

[DeathGuise]

The games are very different in terms of what they're trying to get you to do. Your criticism of DE is just "I don't like the mechanics of the game." Yeah, the chainsaw is a device by which you continue the combat loop. You're not supposed to have a bunch of ammo of just your favorite gun, you're supposed to be goaded into using different weapons throughout combat. Enemy weaknesses are designed around different weapons too which provides incentive to switch quickly and thoughtfully on the fly.

Amazing that people are still making the same kinds of stupid arguments years later after this comic. "Final Fantasy sucks. God there's so many fucking swords!"

 

[Sanepar]

Platform stuff and limited ammo killed doom eternal.

 

[Whitecrow]

Its too tactical for a Doom game. Couldnt finish it either. Its not fun.

 

[Liamario]

Managed to finish the the game and the DLC. With the first game, I went back through the game to unlock everything. It was just a lot of fun. The sequel was much more of a chore to play. It was made with love, but sometimes less is more.

 

[nikos]

The early Doom games are legendary but I couldn't really get into Doom 2016 or Eternal.

From what I remember, I wasn't a fan of the level design or having to shoot an enemy and perform a glory kill for ammo repeatedly. It felt tedious.

I may give it another shot at some point.

 

[rodrigolfp]

I always felt like the constant chainsawing for ammo ruins the flow of combat.

How doing some melee combat to replace ammo ruins the flow of combat vs picking up ammo from the floor on Doom 2016??? Jesus, the logic of people!

Platform stuff and limited ammo killed doom eternal.

The game has literally unlimited ammo, opposite to Doom 2016! WTF?

 

[rodrigolfp]

brainless.

Why should I play it on nightmare? The hardest difficulty setting???

Too be less brainless.

 

[Fuz]

How doing some melee combat to replace ammo ruins the flow of combat vs picking up ammo from the floor on Doom 2016??? Jesus, the logic of people!

The game has literally unlimited ammo, opposite to Doom 2016! WTF?

Picking ammo on the floor doest remove control from you. Chainsaw fatalities do.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Picking ammo on the floor doest remove control from you. Chainsaw fatalities do.

Picking ammo from the floor removes the combat.

 

[Laptop1991]

I didn't like the game, it was just deathmatch arena's with over the top wall jumping traversal to me without the Doom atmosphere, and i wasn't a fan of the ammo refill mechanics either, plus you wern't playing the story as well, it was being told to you from audio logs on the side.

 

[Spukc]

doom power orgy bawler 2016 edition -- better music and doom feeling
doom no ammo shit edition- super mario doom edition with sheit souls like battles and no ammo

fun
no fun

 

[-Zelda-]

Meanwhile, I'm the weirdo who still prefers the more horror focused Doom 3 and ROE to the others after it.

 

[Phase]

Picking ammo from the floor removes the combat.

Running over it while you continue to shoot and move keeps the flow going. Having to chainsaw so much stopped the flow of my movement+gunplay so much it took me out of the action, making me bored.

 

[Katatonic]

I bought it for like 6 bucks for PS5 and got bored right away. Felt pointless.

 

[The Stig]

i prefer 2016 simply because eternal just piled too much on top of the formula. it became a chore to balance everything and remember how to beat each enemy type.

also way WAY too much platforming

 

[niilokin]

How doing some melee combat to replace ammo ruins the flow of combat vs picking up ammo from the floor on Doom 2016??? Jesus, the logic of people!

The game has literally unlimited ammo, opposite to Doom 2016! WTF?

Difference: Pick up ammo while you move and shoot (2016) vs. stop moving and shooting to generate ammo (Eternal). I prefer to pick ammo while moving and shooting .

 

[Dr. Claus]

Not that type of puzzle.
Combat puzzle. What weapon is good for what enemies. How to approach each room. Halo does this perfect too.

Again, are you high right now? Eternal does that in spades. Sure, yo ucould kill any enemy in any method you like, but there are certain weapons that can instantly vaporize certain enemies. Grenade Launcher in a Cacodemon for example. Every enemy has this.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Difference: Pick up ammo while you move and shoot (2016) vs. stop moving and shooting to generate ammo (Eternal). I prefer to pick ammo while moving and shooting .

You literally pick up ammo while moving. YOu don't have to stop to pick anything up. It automatically goes into you as soon as you chainsaw. Did you even play the game?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Doom 2016 and Doom 2020 hold up.

 

[rofif]

Again, are you high right now? Eternal does that in spades. Sure, yo ucould kill any enemy in any method you like, but there are certain weapons that can instantly vaporize certain enemies. Grenade Launcher in a Cacodemon for example. Every enemy has this.

It is completely not the way doom should be. Not that puzzle, not crazy all things at once.
What you are describing is repetitioin in combat. Not combat puzzle. The game is too haptic for what I am trying to describe.

 

[Dr. Claus]

It is completely not the way doom should be. Not that puzzle, not crazy all things at once.
What you are describing is repetitioin in combat. Not combat puzzle. The game is too haptic for what I am trying to describe.

You are moving goalposts. The combat is only as repetitive as you make it, same with every other DOOM game. You could play through DOOM, DOOM II, DOOM 64, DOOM 3, and DOOM 2016 with just 2 weapons if you truly wanted. Engaging in every combat encounter the same way. You can do the same in DOOM Eternal if you truly wanted, though you would have a much harder time. Given the wider range of enemies, weapons, tools in your kit, more vertical environments - it is the penultimate DOOM expeirence. You against a horde of demons slaughtering them in many visceral and explosive ways.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Difference: Pick up ammo while you move and shoot (2016) vs. stop moving and shooting to generate ammo (Eternal). I prefer to pick ammo while moving and shooting .

Running over it while you continue to shoot and move keeps the flow going. Having to chainsaw so much stopped the flow of my movement+gunplay so much it took me out of the action, making me bored.

You are not shooting anyone while picking ammo plus there are ammo on the floor on Eternal too.

 

[kvltus lvlzvs]

Snapmap was an ok attempt but 2016 and eternal both being locked down and proprietary is antithetical to the spirit of doom, which is still relevant because of it's creative community.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Platform stuff and limited ammo killed doom eternal.

To be fair, if you found the ammo to be "limited" you're not approaching the combat loop like you're meant to. That's one of the best things about the game IMO. Once you get it down, it feels really good, and fast. But you have to constantly mix up attacks and abilities to ensure you're supplied with what you need at all times.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Snapmap was an ok attempt but 2016 and eternal both being locked down and proprietary is antithetical to the spirit of doom, which is still relevant because of it's creative community.

Mod tools would be nice.

 

[Phase]

To be fair, if you found the ammo to be "limited" you're not approaching the combat loop like you're meant to. That's one of the best things about the game IMO. Once you get it down, it feels really good, and fast. But you have to constantly mix up attacks and abilities to ensure you're supplied with what you need at all times.

I don't think it's a bad gameplay loop per se, but forcing you to conform to that playstyle is why a lot people dislike the game (myself included).

 

[CrustyBritches]

Running over it while you continue to shoot and move keeps the flow going. Having to chainsaw so much stopped the flow of my movement+gunplay so much it took me out of the action, making me bored.

Blood Fueled Rune gives you a speed boost after glory kill or chainsawing an enemy. Pretty much gives you back that time in a more visceral way. Combine that with a quick flame belch and you're getting ammo, armor, and a speed boost all in 1 shot.