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Opinion Drama Dispelling the lies about Jim Ryan

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Jim Ryan is the face of Playstation, and Playstation's being doing a lot of shit decisions lately.

There is no conspiracy.
 
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There is no thing such as a correct price, there is a thing called price elasticity and only time will tell where that exactly lies and whether or not the chosen price as MSRP is here to stay in future. I think companies have a very good understanding what is possible after a certain period of time. If you disagree to the prices you have to reflect that in your buying behaviour over time otherwise things will not change. A company is about making money and right now Sony and others are exploring their options.
 

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Jim Ryan is the face of Playstation, and Playstation's being doing a lot of shit decisions lately.

There is no conspiracy.

Yeah, but he also reversed one of those "shit" decisions based on the outcries (BTW I said lies not conspiracies)

Does the Jimster get any credit for that?
 

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Yeah, but he also reversed one of those "shit" decisions based on the outcries (BTW I said lies not conspiracies)

Does the Jimster get any credit for that?
No, shouldn't have attempted to do the shit thing in the first place. It's only due to fan backlash that the PS3/VITA stores were taken off the chopping block for now.

You don't get credit for going "oh shit, I didn't think they'd kick up this much of a fuss. We'd better reverse it and try again down the line"
 

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Man you guys need to stop bumping old threads.

stop looking at the similar threads feature. or at least look at the date before commenting on it.

P.S this thread didnt age well. literally a month after this was posted, Sony confirmed that GoW and GT7 were also cross gen. Cant dispel that can you.
 
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Phil Spencer is the worst man alive.




You disgust me
 

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No matter one's stance on Jim Ryan, what I cannot 'get over' is how much of a non-gamer he is. I mean, one could argue that Spencer isn't a gamer as well, but at least he tries to give you the impression that he is. The way he talks, the posts he makes, the interviews he gives ...

Every single time I see Spencer I feel I will hear about video games.

When I see Jim Ryan opening his mouth, I'm not sure if I'll hear about video games, or the newest English pub that has opened in the street, or some football championship, or a new car. He's a businessman through and through and that's a big turn-off for me. I applaud his decision to bring Sony games on PC (the money it'll give Sony far surpasses the money they'll lose by someone not buying a PS5 in order to game on Windows), and I sincerely believe he'll give Sony fans a Game-Pass like option of some caliber in the future.

I'd just prefer it if he would also be a gamer as well.
 

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Cold, dead stare? More like a 'can't wait to be done with this fucking interview so I can drink myself to a piss' stare.

Jim Ryan was genetically engineered in a German lab for the sole purpose of business.
 

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No matter one's stance on Jim Ryan, what I cannot 'get over' is how much of a non-gamer he is. I mean, one could argue that Spencer isn't a gamer as well, but at least he tries to give you the impression that he is. The way he talks, the posts he makes, the interviews he gives ...

Every single time I see Spencer I feel I will hear about video games.

When I see Jim Ryan opening his mouth, I'm not sure if I'll hear about video games, or the newest English pub that has opened in the street, or some football championship, or a new car. He's a businessman through and through and that's a big turn-off for me. I applaud his decision to bring Sony games on PC (the money it'll give Sony far surpasses the money they'll lose by someone not buying a PS5 in order to game on Windows), and I sincerely believe he'll give Sony fans a Game-Pass like option of some caliber in the future.

I'd just prefer it if he would also be a gamer as well.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. He's a marketing guy. Not a games guy. Business is his nature but he doesnt get tech like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk do. His biggest and probably only goal is making money for his investors. That usually leads to short term thinking which is why he's going PC and cross gen. It makes PERFECT business sense in the short term, but in the long run it discourages people from buying the PS5. His bread and butter and the main source of revenue.. i.e., the digital PSN sales and PS+ subs. If people dont feel compelled to buy the PS5 and buy into the PS ecosystem.

Good thing for him is that the demand of PS5 is higher than ever and there is very little chance PS5 fails. But early success is not always a good indicator as we saw with the Wii which broke all records and then limped to the finish killing the next console in the process.

At the end of the day, PS division is more profitable than ever so he's clearly doing his job well for his bosses and his investors. Not for gamers who will be forced to play cross gen games and have to contend with poor next gen ports like MLB the show and delays like Horizon due to a focus on porting them to other platforms, but he can still redeem himself with a strong showing in the next couple of weeks. Show off those 25 first party games in development and all will be forgotten.
 

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But early success is not always a good indicator as we saw with the Wii which broke all records and then limped to the finish killing the next console in the process.
LMAO - I remember that abysmal marketing by Nintendo. They actually patched the wii in order to give you a message "HEY! WE GOT A WII-U CONSOLE NOW, MKAY!?!?" :D :D :D
 

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I think you hit the nail on the head here. He's a marketing guy. Not a games guy. Business is his nature but he doesnt get tech like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk do. His biggest and probably only goal is making money for his investors. That usually leads to short term thinking which is why he's going PC and cross gen. It makes PERFECT business sense in the short term, but in the long run it discourages people from buying the PS5. His bread and butter and the main source of revenue.. i.e., the digital PSN sales and PS+ subs. If people dont feel compelled to buy the PS5 and buy into the PS ecosystem.
Do you have any proof for that statement though? like any statistical data/spreadsheets etc?

Good thing for him is that the demand of PS5 is higher than ever and there is very little chance PS5 fails. But early success is not always a good indicator as we saw with the Wii which broke all records and then limped to the finish killing the next console in the process.
The Wii didn't limp to the finish line due to "early success"... It limped there due to Nintendo all but abandoning in in it's last year and the popularity of the PS3 and the 360/Kinect (AKA the new hotness ATM) as for the Wii U, it failed for a WIDE variety of reasons...

At the end of the day, PS division is more profitable than ever so he's clearly doing his job well for his bosses and his investors.
True
Not for gamers who will be forced to play cross gen games and have to contend with poor next gen ports like MLB the show and delays like Horizon due to a focus on porting them to other platforms, but he can still redeem himself with a strong showing in the next couple of weeks.
Not true... I mean one look at HZD FW makes it clear it was a PS4 title 1st and will use PS5 to "boost" effects, a lot of these games were likely due to be announced a long time ago and were made "cross gen" due to delays

I personally wouldn't be surprised if GOW R, HZD and the other titles were meant to be cross gen (PS5 boosted) but mainly a last hurrah for the PS4

Horizon Zero Dawn Landscape GIF by PlayStation


I'll also point out despite HZD looking decidedly last gen (as far as the engine is concerned), it was still (and is still) being talked about by many as the "best looking game ever"...
(to be fair it IS pretty)
What i'm trying to say here is that gamers likely won't care, as long as the 1st party quality is there
Show off those 25 first party games in development and all will be forgotten.
Based on continued demand I would say most aren't concerned about forgivness (but I'm always down for a showcase so...True lol)
 
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No, shouldn't have attempted to do the shit thing in the first place. It's only due to fan backlash that the PS3/VITA stores were taken off the chopping block for now.

You don't get credit for going "oh shit, I didn't think they'd kick up this much of a fuss. We'd better reverse it and try again down the line"
In that case a certain rival of Sony should never get credit. Their entire gaming outlook is basically a 180.
 
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Do you have any proof for that statement though? like any statistical data/spreadsheets etc?


The Wii didn't limp to the finish line due to "early success"... It limped there due to Nintendo all but abandoning in in it's last year and the popularity of the PS3 and the 360/Kinect (AKA the new hotness ATM) as for the Wii U, it failed for a WIDE variety of reasons...


True

Not true... I mean one look at HZD FW makes it clear it was a PS4 title 1st and will use PS5 to "boost" effects, a lot of these games were likely due to be announced a long time ago and were made "cross gen" due to delays

I personally wouldn't be surprised if GOW R, HZD and the other titles were meant to be cross gen (PS5 boosted) but mainly a last hurrah for the PS4

Horizon Zero Dawn Landscape GIF by PlayStation


I'll also point out despite HZD looking decidedly last gen (as far as the engine is concerned), it was still (and is still) being talked about by many as the "best looking game ever"...
(to be fair it IS pretty)
What i'm trying to say here is that gamers likely won't care, as long as the 1st party quality is there

Based on continued demand I would say most aren't concerned about forgivness (but I'm always down for a showcase so...True lol)
The data is all there in Sony's yearly earnings. They have something crazy like 43 million PS+ subs. Their PSN revenues are $15 billion out of the total 25 billion they made overall from console sales, physical sales and accessory sales. their first party sales are a drop in the bucket. even if assume they make a billion a year from first party titles which they dont even come close to, it's a fraction of the money PS+ brings in. Not to mention their 30% digital store cut.

Fortnite's $5 billion out of 10 billion in revenue were on PS. If sony got a standard 30% cut on it then we are looking at almost $1.7 billion from fornite alone. in 2019, sony had two games days gone and death stranding underperform to the extent jim didnt feel comfortable greenlighting sequels. they didnt make $1.7 billion that year. last year, they had tlou2, got, miles and demon souls and the fact that we only got numbers for tlou2 just shows they didnt even come close to doing those numbers. this year, ratchet and returnal are not gonna hit a billion dollars.

I dont quite remember exactly when Wii fell off, but it was right around the time MS revealed the kinect and released their slim model. MS took the lead around 2010 or 2011 and never relinquished it. At least in the U.S. The Wii was gone not just because nintendo didnt support it but because their market moved on to the kinect. I knew several people at work who bought kinect xboxes for christmas and it was a huge part of why MS made a comeback and won every single month in NPD the last 3 years or so. Of course, thats another example of what can happen when you ditch your loyal userbase to target a broader audience, but I digress.

After seeing Avatar and reading about what the devs have planned for it, I no longer think horizon is doing anything too spectacular when it comes to visuals. You take one look at horizon and avatar and its not even close. It;s a generational difference. I suspect horizon will be fairly dated by the time 2022 ends. I really dont see horizon 2 or gow 2 winning gotys if they come in 2022, but botw won gotys so who knows.
 

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Fucking state of this thread. Jim Ryan ffs. I'm sure he sends his warriors his best regards and eternal gratitude.
 
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LMAO - I remember that abysmal marketing by Nintendo. They actually patched the wii in order to give you a message "HEY! WE GOT A WII-U CONSOLE NOW, MKAY!?!?" :D :D :D
I remember walking into a bestbuy the day of the launch. was pretty pissed that they didnt do a midnight launch for it despite doing one for black ops 2. I saw dozens of Wii Us sitting there with only one lady there talking to a bestbuy rep who was trying to explain to her that it was a new next gen console and not just a wii accessory.

I attended the PS4 and X1 launches at the same bestbuy a year later and it packed at midnight both nights despite all the missteps by MS leading up to launch. Wii U's launch was just a disastrous fuck up on all levels.

though i must say i really liked their first and second party output on the wii u. much more than the switch.
 
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The data is all there in Sony's yearly earnings. They have something crazy like 43 million PS+ subs. Their PSN revenues are $15 billion out of the total 25 billion they made overall from console sales, physical sales and accessory sales. their first party sales are a drop in the bucket. even if assume they make a billion a year from first party titles which they dont even come close to, it's a fraction of the money PS+ brings in. Not to mention their 30% digital store cut.

Fortnite's $5 billion out of 10 billion in revenue were on PS. If sony got a standard 30% cut on it then we are looking at almost $1.7 billion from fornite alone. in 2019, sony had two games days gone and death stranding underperform to the extent jim didnt feel comfortable greenlighting sequels. they didnt make $1.7 billion that year. last year, they had tlou2, got, miles and demon souls and the fact that we only got numbers for tlou2 just shows they didnt even come close to doing those numbers. this year, ratchet and returnal are not gonna hit a billion dollars.
Fair enough, but what on earth does that have to do with cross gen and losing profits? and if Death Stranding is getting a directors cut for PSV I doubt they're two worried about it's financial gain/sequel potential
I dont quite remember exactly when Wii fell off, but it was right around the time MS revealed the kinect and released their slim model. MS took the lead around 2010 or 2011 and never relinquished it. At least in the U.S. The Wii was gone not just because nintendo didnt support it but because their market moved on to the kinect. I knew several people at work who bought kinect xboxes for christmas and it was a huge part of why MS made a comeback and won every single month in NPD the last 3 years or so. Of course, thats another example of what can happen when you ditch your loyal userbase to target a broader audience, but I digress.
It was before that, but yes the Kinect sucked up the casuals big time...It also cost MS dearly and financially when they literally had to redesign key aspects of their "next gen" system as it was more expensive, tv/living room focused and again didn't work well lol

After seeing Avatar and reading about what the devs have planned for it, I no longer think horizon is doing anything too spectacular when it comes to visuals. You take one look at horizon and avatar and its not even close. It;s a generational difference. I suspect horizon will be fairly dated by the time 2022 ends. I really dont see horizon 2 or gow 2 winning gotys if they come in 2022, but botw won gotys so who knows.
Avatar looks stunning and again this is Justt the tip of the iceberg, that having been said I easily expect HZD and GOW to be the better games...

Fucking state of this thread. Jim Ryan ffs. I'm sure he sends his warriors his best regards and eternal gratitude.
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The fucking state of people today. People like Orta Orta FFS who can't recognize SATIRE I'm sure one day you'll catch on lol
 

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Fair enough, but what on earth does that have to do with cross gen and losing profits? and if Death Stranding is getting a directors cut for PSV I doubt they're two worried about it's financial gain/sequel potential
If people dont feel compelled to upgrade due to PC and PS4 ports, their revenues will suffer. Both physical and digital. Every person who decides to buy a PC to play PS exclusives is a person who does not purchase a $500 PS5, a $60 sub for the next 7 years, or pays for sony's 30% digital store cut. For PS4 owners, it's not as dire since they are still part of the ps eco system but every year sony delays giving their users a reason to upgrade, MS gives them more reasons to switch to them.

It goes back to my point about short term profits vs the long run. What Jim is doing is clearly working for them today, but a year from now? 3 or 5 years from now? The Wii sold something crazy like 80 million. early leads dont mean much in this industry. it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. The entire point of first party games is to give people a reason to go out and shell out $500 for a new console. They are actively discouraging that by making horizon and gow available on last gen consoles. It's weird because they finally have first party games that are literally system sellers in ways only Gran Turismo, Halo, MGS2, GTA3 and Zelda used to be, and they aren't taking advantage of that goldmine to sell more consoles.

They are clearly bullish about the sales of PS5 so ultimately it might not matter and Jim will be seen as a genius who led the PS5 to another generation win, but even that success will come at the expense of gamers who wont get the best from the best sony studios for at least the first two years of the ps5. similar to how the switch has held back arguably the best first party studios in the industry.
 
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With Phil Spencer the list of lies would be 10 times longer
Duel Fencing GIF by GEICO

One of the last which reach the pinnacle of the hypocrisy by Spencer:

Exclusives Are ‘Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About,’ Xbox’s Phil Spencer Says​

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/07/xbox-series-x-exclusives-phil-spencer/

The list would be very long if we start to search. Ryan is surely less nice but Spencer lies repeatedly to the gamers though people forget it just because is more likeable.
 
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no lies. i don't feel hopeful with jim so far.
besides he is as dry as a UK ox.

kutaragi has more gamer personality than jimbo.

search YT for kutaragi and giantbomb or kutaragi with Tekken director cafe
Phil was far worse than Jim but started changing.
 

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I have been gaming well before the Playstation was even a consideration, and I can't recall when a person...a single person has recieved the bile and hatred as much as Jim Ryan the current head of playstation, and yes that includes Mattrick and his silliness.
Ummm, the hate most sony fans have for phil spencer on this forum says "hi". Starting it off like that, I'm not reading the rest.
 
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Imagine putting the time in to go to bat for a multi-millionaire CEO of a gaming company on an enthusiast gaming forum that has a dedicated Butt Thread.

Sony die-hards are really not handling this generation well so far.

Looking back at all those shills creating Phill threads. Ow wait they still creating them…

funny seeing all those xbox fanboys dropping in this thread downplaying it, while at the same time cock sucking phil.

The thing is, he is right about “we believe in generation”. People where always wrong about what he meant.
 
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Ummm, the hate most sony fans have for phil spencer on this forum says "hi". Starting it off like that, I'm not reading the rest.
Many of sony fans "hate" Jim Ryan too but sure don't touch my Pheel. I'd like to see some Xbox fan criticize him in something sometime or remark his repeatedly PR contradictions.
 
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phil has years of blunders under his belt including that disaster that was XBONE and launching a console with no games (a first by any console...infact by time of this message 27/6/2021 still hasnt released any first party games to neither series consoles and xbox one) and yet fanboys have pictures of him in there houses... others call him daddy/lord phil but yet jim takes the ire lol i must say it is funny to watch the hypocrisy/fanboyism is rife
 

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phil has years of blunders under his belt including that disaster that was XBONE and launching a console with no games (a first by any console...infact by time of this message 27/6/2021 still hasnt released any first party games to neither series consoles and xbox one) and yet fanboys have pictures of him in there houses... others call him daddy/lord phil but yet jim takes the ire lol i must say it is funny to watch the hypocrisy/fanboyism is rife

huh? Gears Tactics came out on Xbox and X|S the day the consoles launched.
 

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So the OP pretty much is justifying Jim Ryan's actions by saying that he tripled-down on what the previous hack was doing? As if Jim is a weak-minded drone forced to do that the previous admin was doing or something and has no responsibility for his actions.
 
phil has years of blunders under his belt including that disaster that was XBONE and launching a console with no games (a first by any console...infact by time of this message 27/6/2021 still hasnt released any first party games to neither series consoles and xbox one) and yet fanboys have pictures of him in there houses... others call him daddy/lord phil but yet jim takes the ire lol i must say it is funny to watch the hypocrisy/fanboyism is rife
The launch of XBONE was Dom Mattrick .... not sure you've done your research properly or your just chatting shit
 

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So the OP pretty much is justifying Jim Ryan's actions by saying that he tripled-down on what the previous hack was doing? As if Jim is a weak-minded drone forced to do that the previous admin was doing or something and has no responsibility for his actions.
Jim's actions are basically to continue betting on the same strategy than the previous team because it's a gaming history records breaking strategy and would be retardedly dumb to so something else.

The only changes he made are to do something in a way it works better in other companies like Apple: instead of having multiple marketing, localization, 2nd party publishing teams across the world following different strategies, merge their best parts a single team with a global focus, with their previous best team handling it.

And on top of that they doubled down on growing their 1st party teams, are working on acquisitions, and seems to be working on more (and more ambitious) 2nd and 3rd parties than ever.

Regarding Japan Studio, they did cut the fat refunding it as Team Asobi. Until now Japan had a free pass during decacdes while they did shut down many other underperforming studios in Europe and USA, which wasn't fair. Now everyone is equal.

The game price increase is something that publishers and devs needed after decades of costs growing each generation while prices and sales weren't increasing at the same pace. So they had several options to compensate it: to stop making big ass AAA and go back to shorter, smaller games, to fill their games with tons of microtransactions and DLCs or to increase their game prices a bit. And Sony aren't the only ones doing it, everyone will do it. Many other big publishers like MS will do the same when somewhere in the future they start to release next gen games.


jim and his sweet little lies
Bullshit, he didn't lie.
 
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The price tag here needs some explanation


Nothing about this or anything else needs explanation - corporations are not your friends, if their interests align with yours they may be temporary allies.

I support Apple because their focus on privacy aligns with mine, but for even a moment I don’t think they would have pushed it if they didn’t see serious market opportunity. Likewise for Microsoft CEO taunting competition and ending Apple monopoly on the App Store, the reason is always money.
 
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Jim's actions are basically to continue betting on the same strategy than the previous team because it's a gaming history records breaking strategy and would be retardedly dumb to so something else.

The only changes he made are to do something in a way it works better in other companies like Apple: instead of having multiple marketing, localization, 2nd party publishing teams across the world following different strategies, merge their best parts a single team with a global focus, with their previous best team handling it.

And on top of that they doubled down on growing their 1st party teams, are working on acquisitions, and seems to be working on more (and more ambitious) 2nd and 3rd parties than ever.

Regarding Japan Studio, they did cut the fat refunding it as Team Asobi. Until now Japan had a free pass during decacdes while they did shut down many other underperforming studios in Europe and USA, which wasn't fair. Now everyone is equal.

The game price increase is something that publishers and devs needed after decades of costs growing each generation while prices and sales weren't increasing at the same pace. So they had several options to compensate it: to stop making big ass AAA and go back to shorter, smaller games, to fill their games with tons of microtransactions and DLCs or to increase their game prices a bit. And Sony aren't the only ones doing it, everyone will do it. Many other big publishers like MS will do the same when somewhere in the future they start to release next gen games.



Bullshit, he didn't lie.


Most of what you're saying sounds to me like PR speak while you conveniently trying to brush over or completely ignore other issues. The fact is that Playstation is now associated with hysterical censorship, exclusives that aren't really exclusives anymore, screwing over developers and a console that has all the cons of the PC without any of the pros with the exception of troubleshooting that only helps the technologically impaired.

Jim Ryan and the previous Sony admin not only copied each and every one of Microsoft's shady or shitty tactics but they doubled-downed on them, created a few of their own and generally created a monstrosity of a console where you have to pay to play online sometimes censored games that will eventually be released on PC. The company has become like Apple in a way that doesn't really look for customers but for people to screw over.
 
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If people dont feel compelled to upgrade due to PC and PS4 ports, their revenues will suffer.
Bulshit. Their revenues are the big ones any console platform holder ever had. And aren't bigger because even if they are selling at gaming history records their consoles get sold out in minutes so a lot of people who wants to buy their consoles can't.

Even without consoles available at the stores due to the lack of chips issue and being in the middle of a global pandemic and big economical crysis, PS5 is selling faster than any previous console in gaming history. So people is upgrading like crazy and would do it faster if there would be more consoles available.

The thing is that even if people is upgrading at record levels, PS4 sold until now like 120 million consoles, and theres still around 80 million users playing in PS4 every month because people take several years to upgrade to a next gen and we can assume now they may take more time due to the economical crysis. So PS4 ports make sense.

For PS4 owners, it's not as dire since they are still part of the ps eco system but every year sony delays giving their users a reason to upgrade, MS gives them more reasons to switch to them.
PS4 sold over 1500 million games, more than any other console in gaming history, and PS5 not only is selling faster than PS4, their users are also have bigger engagement. And their 1st party games are selling better than ever did. To release some old last gen games on PC doesn't negatively affect their console hardware or software sales, that are better than ever been: it just gives them some extra profits.

Releasing these games on PC also helps them to get some new western fans that may end buying a PS5 to play the sequels and other new 1st party games, while at the same time helps them reach new countries where for several reasons they are PC focused and consoles don't work there.

The Wii sold something crazy like 80 million.
Wii sold 101.6 million becoming by far the best selling Nintendo home console.
PS1 sold 104.3 million, PS2 155 million, PS3 over 87 million, PS4 115.9 million.

Launch aligned PS4 is only 2.5 millioin away from being the best selling console ever in gaming history on its lifecycle point. Launch aligned PS5 is the best selling console ever on its lifecycle point.

They are clearly bullish about the sales of PS5 so ultimately it might not matter and Jim will be seen as a genius who led the PS5 to another generation win, but even that success will come at the expense of gamers who wont get the best from the best sony studios for at least the first two years of the ps5. similar to how the switch has held back arguably the best first party studios in the industry.
Sony is breaking gaming history records for the amount of money made by a console platform holder gaming division, consoles sold, games sold for their consoles, money made from game subscriptions and more.

And their exclusives sell better than ever, get better rated than the ones from their direct competitor and dominated the GOTY awards for the last decade. And Jimbo said they are on track to have more top 1st, 2nd and 3rd party exclusives for PS5 than they ever had for their previous consoles.

Last year they released stuff like Dreams, FFVIIR, TLOU2, GoT, Miles Morales, Demon's Souls and Astro's Playroom. This year they are releasing Returnal, Ratchet, Guilty Gear Strive, FFVII Intergrade, Kena, Horizon, Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo, Death Stranding Director's Cut and so on. Next year they will release Forspoken, GoWR, GT7 and many other ones to be announced. It's likely that before the 2nd PS5 birthday we'll get FFXVI, Spider-Man 2, TLOU2 factions, the other game that Guerrilla has been developing since 2018 and the Firewalk game. PS5 players will get a stellar exclusives lineup since day one and with the nice addition of the PS Plus Collection.

We know that the biggest Sony teams (Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Moniac, Insomniac, Guerrilla, San Diego if we count their new studio) are working in at least 2 games at the same time, that PlayStation Studios has over 25 games under development, that their 1st party teams will spend hiring enough money to aprox. double their manpower in a single year and that they are working acquisitions in adittion to improving their 2nd party management team and spending there at ton of money, plus are working to expand 3rd party exclusives specially in Japan, and that they plan to have overall more exclusives than ever.

So no, PS5 users won't miss quality exclusives during or after the first 2 years of the console. Has happened until now, they will continue having more green metacritic exclusives than Xbox and Switch combined every year.

Most of what you're saying sounds to me like PR speak while you conveniently trying to brush over or completely ignore other issues.
I'm just listing facts. If they sound like PR speak and you can't counter them with other facts must be because they are doing a good job.

The fact is that Playstation is now associated with hysterical censorship, exclusives that aren't really exclusives anymore, screwing over developers and a console that has all the cons of the PC without any of the pros with the exception of troubleshooting that only helps the technologically impaired.
Sony doesn't censor games. It's Japanese (and sometimes German/Chinese/United Arab Emirates/Australian/New Zealand) age rating certification / government censorship game certification who doesn't allow certain things, so gore or genitals get removed or highly toned down from Asian versions of the games. Most of these games get only censored only for their Japanese version, so western versions aren't censored. Steam games don't need to pass age rating because they are digital only and global so no retail versions which means they can skip local age rating / government censorship certifications, so games aren't censored there.

In addition to this, a few publishers decided to tone down themselves revealing costumes for their American (or worldwide) versions to get a better age rating when publishing on retail (which gives them access to sell games on certain huge retailers), plus getting less criticism from puritanist and SJWs.

There are country specific sensitive stuff that gets banned in the government certification/censorship (not Sony) from certain countries like nazi stuf for Germany, rising sun flag in Korea, Taiwan mentioned as a country for China, etc.

This government game certification/censorship and age rating doesn't only affects the games published on Sony consoles, it also affects on all platforms. In some cases for all of them, in other cases only retail games need to pass them. So games get also censored in other consoles.

But some of these games aren't released on other consoles, or these other consoles have an install base too small in these countries that aren't worth the cost of making a localized version, so publishers decide to release (and censor) only the PS version there. Other publishers decide to releaser their game worldwide and prefer to have a single version for the whole world so they consider all these censorship/age rating stuff the game in all countries.

Here you have the list of the 'Sony' censored games: https://forum.psnprofiles.com/topic/85087-list-of-censored-games-ps5-ps4-vita/

As you can see in this list, out of thousands of games released in the recent Sony devices, outside this regional stuff there's only a handful of games who 'got censored' in PS while having an 'uncensored' version in other console and to remove boob gigling and change miniskirt size etc, something not censored by Sony because there are hundreds of games on PS featuring that. So the publishers did it because they decided so or because they wanted to publish the PS version in certain countries that asked to remove that while not planning to release the Switch version on that country.

Jim Ryan and the previous Sony admin not only copied each and every one of Microsoft's shady or shitty tactics but they doubled-downed on them, created a few of their own and generally created a monstrosity of a console where you have to pay to play online sometimes censored games that will eventually be released on PC. The company has become like Apple in a way that doesn't really look for customers but for people to screw over.
A small suggestion to have some credibility instead of sounding as an embarassing hater: mention specific facts that can be double checked and then say you like or dislike them, instead of saying 'this XXX company is evil', 'they become like XXX', mentioning easily debunkable lies, etc.
 
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It's amazing this thread is still going when we know much of what was said about Ryan was BS in the first place.

There are things to criticize but the hyperbolic assertions were all by a fanbase that can't handle PS5's success.
 
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Fucking state of this thread. Jim Ryan ffs. I'm sure he sends his warriors his best regards and eternal gratitude.
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And they’ll spin anything as good! Can’t wait for the thread on how Jim personally shooting every PS5 owners dog is actually a good thing!
Sure Jan, there have been dozens of threads praising Jim Ryans fuckups in GAF.
 
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And they’ll spin anything as good! Can’t wait for the thread on how Jim personally shooting every PS5 owners dog is actually a good thing!
Hear so many Xbox fans blame the playstation fans to defend too much their CEO, give me a creepy feeling :messenger_hushed:
 
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