You probably shouldn't be able to afford a PS5 or other luxury items on UBI to begin with. Basic foodstuff, utilities, and shelter should be it's limit with price controls applied to those commodities.
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ChatGPT and the (near) future of AI
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You probably shouldn't be able to afford a PS5 or other luxury items on UBI to begin with. Basic foodstuff, utilities, and shelter should be it's limit with price controls applied to those commodities.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
the issue would be that UBI would affect pricing as a whole, so even people who aren't on the program have to deal with the inflated prices thanks to it. It's worse for everyone
An economic with UBI wouldn't be a fully market economy anymore. UBI would have to come with legislation against price gouging in some fashion or another.
You kinda hit the nail on the head though. People from rich western countries imagine UBI or Communisim as utopias where their lives are spent comfortably filled by the consumerist hobbies they currently have. A more equal distribution of wealth would target your average westerner hardest since the lifestyle is already propped up at the expense of the rest of the planet.
Walter Matthau
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UBI comes more into play as the wealthy and upper middle class begin to disappear and the large majority of what's left is a workforce consisting of jobs where the cost of an AI solution exceeds the cost of labor.
Ultimately AI will be a net benefit to society (food production, entertainment, environmental solutions, transportation, personal safety, medical innovations, etc), but it's going to be a long and difficult journey with the ultra rich doing everything they can to seize exclusive use of that power for themselves to further exploit those without means.
It's difficult to predict how quickly AI will impact each industry and at what scale, but many of us who have 15+ years until retirement will likely need to find a new line of work at some point in our career with lower wages. Those that have let lifestyle creep run rampant in their lives will have a very difficult time adjusting as will those who never made much to begin with and were already struggling to pay bills.
In terms of trades being "AI proof", I'm really not so certain about that and people without jobs or little spare cash aren't going to be getting that $30k deck renovation and instead rely on more DIY solutions for small fixes or easier projects. Even if AI can't directly replace what you do in the short term, the cost of your services will be reduced further and further as young workers who previously would have been graphic designers or customer service reps or office workers start looking for different career opportunities and demand much less than those who've been feasting off high earners' lack of cost sensitivity.
The ones with the most monetary benefit from AI in the short term are those that own a business in an industry with high barriers to entry whose workforce can mostly be replaced with AI, but offer a service that isn't made redundant through AI.
Ultimately AI will be a net benefit to society (food production, entertainment, environmental solutions, transportation, personal safety, medical innovations, etc), but it's going to be a long and difficult journey with the ultra rich doing everything they can to seize exclusive use of that power for themselves to further exploit those without means.
It's difficult to predict how quickly AI will impact each industry and at what scale, but many of us who have 15+ years until retirement will likely need to find a new line of work at some point in our career with lower wages. Those that have let lifestyle creep run rampant in their lives will have a very difficult time adjusting as will those who never made much to begin with and were already struggling to pay bills.
In terms of trades being "AI proof", I'm really not so certain about that and people without jobs or little spare cash aren't going to be getting that $30k deck renovation and instead rely on more DIY solutions for small fixes or easier projects. Even if AI can't directly replace what you do in the short term, the cost of your services will be reduced further and further as young workers who previously would have been graphic designers or customer service reps or office workers start looking for different career opportunities and demand much less than those who've been feasting off high earners' lack of cost sensitivity.
The ones with the most monetary benefit from AI in the short term are those that own a business in an industry with high barriers to entry whose workforce can mostly be replaced with AI, but offer a service that isn't made redundant through AI.
PaddyOCanager
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I was messing around with it last night. I asked it to write me a Lovecraft inspired D&D adventure. So yeah, it totally did and I would totally run the adventure lol.
We're all fucked.
We're all fucked.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If people hate inflation now, adding UBI would the worst thing to happen. UBI seems to be focused on giving every adult bonus money.
If that doesn't add inflation, nothing will. We already saw during covid when people get amped up on government handouts prices soared. Now multiply that exponentially because now every 18 year old and up gets it no matter what.
ATissueBox
Neo Member
believe it or not but my profile pic was hand crafted by an AI to perfection, asking it to give me a picture of a menacing tissue box in a black room
chromhound
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When judgement day
Tams
Member
But what's the solution then? People need money (earnt or not) to survive in the modern world. Communism doesn't seem to work, so what do we have left? I honestly only see UBI was the only solution anyone has suggested that has a chance.
Bear in mind that UBI doesn't mean people can't and won't work. And AI still won't be good a jobs that heavily rely on detailed work with the hands (especially our opposable thumbs). Robotics combined with AI might be a threat there. Then there are the social interaction jobs that AI doesn't seem ready to replace. They go from nursing staff to the arts. Industries were people value human interaction.
Chittagong
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Might as well post my latest masterpieces here.
Boris Johnson slashing Brexit red tabe, Kentaro Miura style
Boris Johnson in Ukraine, Studio Ghibli style
Boris Johnson slashing Brexit red tabe, Kentaro Miura style
Boris Johnson in Ukraine, Studio Ghibli style
LimanimaPT
Member
I really can't see how an AI can replace a programmer. Write simple and small functions? Yeah sure, but we already have this for years, since google exists basically. If I need some function, I just google it and copy/paste it. But someone has to glue the pieces together.
This AIs, are just another tool for a programmer. Maybe they can help the programmer write faster and better code, that I can believe. Replace him? I don't think so.
This AIs, are just another tool for a programmer. Maybe they can help the programmer write faster and better code, that I can believe. Replace him? I don't think so.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont know.
Even in countries with big taxes, social net services, lots of union jobs (like Scandenavian countries I think), you still got people at the bottom of the ladder. Probably the only way to ensure everyone is on an equal footing where nobody gets skewed down the ladder is to do some kind of communist thing where everyone gets paid a similar kind of wage and the government cracks down on anyone making good money taking off from the rest of society. The utopian result is everyone gets squeezed to middle class $50,000/yr jobs (roughly the avg wage in US) and all the companies adjust their prices to fit well with $50,000/yr people.
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QSD
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IMHO UBI doesn't mean communism light, it has one aspect of communism, which is that the state guarantees everyone a minimum income, but outside of that people could still compete to earn extra. Even if there were no money at all, people would still compete for views and influence just as vigorously. IDK if a society where everyone's earnings are closer together but people still vary wildly in talents, attention they get etc, would be as nightmarish as you seem to think. There will still be ladders for people to climb, they won't be Jeff Bezos high though
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
That doesn’t sound like utopia at all… more like the opposite.
They won’t do that either. They would just massively increase taxes at higher brackets. They used to do that.
Tams
Member
Anyone who thinks UBI is about everyone getting to live middle-class lives is quite frankly, an idiot. It's really just a vastly expanding existing social safety nets so that everyone is covered (for some countries this would be more work that others who already have large social safety nets).
It's about ensuring people don't starve or freeze/roast to death, and therefore riot and cause society to collapse.
UBI is ensuring that social safety net extends to everyone, but also allowing people to earn money on top of their allowances. Just like now, everyone would get taxed, though at a higher rate to fund UBI. Progressive taxes would still be used to ensure those who can afford to pay the most do so. The biggest point and issue is that the number of possible jobs for someone to get more money will likely be significantly reduced. But as I've said earlier, ones that have human interaction in will still be around, and some advanced and expert people in all fields will be need to check and verify any work done by AI and robotics, as well as to develop and maintain them.
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pramod
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I think pretty much any business or job that handles the gathering, organization, analysis, and delivery of information will be fucked. Ie schools, universities, journalists, lawyers, etc.
As for coding, i can see that projects that can be defined in very generic terms can also become AI generated. For example, i wont be surprised if in a few years you can ask Chatgpt to create a Mario64 clone for you.
As for coding, i can see that projects that can be defined in very generic terms can also become AI generated. For example, i wont be surprised if in a few years you can ask Chatgpt to create a Mario64 clone for you.
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Trogdor1123
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Not sure about lawyers, they all seemed pumped for it. Eliminate paralegals and then take more stuff to court = way more money for them
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Does ChatGPT not want to write stories any more? Just tried to have it write a LoTR sequel and it doesn't want to any more. 
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
Anyone saying this doesn’t change industries is mental.Had AI draw this earlier. Gave me 4 versions of Alucard in about 20 seconds.
Tams
Member
They certainly do premptively moderate it, and the nature of the model does also mean that sometimes it will refuse to answer.Does ChatGPT not want to write stories any more? Just tried to have it write a LoTR sequel and it doesn't want to any more.
Anyway, I got this generic boring thing first try (well, I had to tell it to do it after a copyright warning):
Lord of the Rings sequel
Could you write me a Lord of the Rings sequel?
I'm sorry, but I am not able to write a Lord of the Rings sequel as J.R.R. Tolkien's works are under copyright and I am not authorized to create new works based on them. Additionally, the Lord of the Rings is considered a classic and a masterpiece of literature, and it would be difficult to match the level of writing and storytelling that Tolkien achieved. However, I can provide you with a summary of possible sequel or fan fiction or give you recommendations of other similar books or movies you may enjoy.
Go ahead please.
I would be happy to provide you with a summary of a possible Lord of the Rings sequel. However, please keep in mind that this is a work of fiction and not an official continuation of J.R.R. Tolkien's story.
The sequel takes place several years after the events of The Lord of the Rings. Gandalf, Aragorn, and the other members of the Fellowship have returned to their respective homes and are trying to rebuild the world after the defeat of Sauron. However, they soon discover that a new evil has risen in the form of a powerful sorcerer who seeks to conquer Middle-earth and enslave its people.
The story follows a new generation of heroes, including a young hobbit named Frodo II (grandson of the original Frodo) and a human ranger named Arathorn II (son of Aragorn), as they set out on a quest to defeat the sorcerer and save Middle-earth. Along the way, they encounter familiar characters from the original story, including Gandalf, Legolas, and Gimli, who help them on their journey.
The sequel also explores the political and social issues that arise in the aftermath of the war, as the various races of Middle-earth struggle to come to terms with the changes that have occurred and the new power dynamics that have emerged.
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E-Cat
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Trite
GladiusFrog
Member
Just talk to it, ask it things... you can play DnD or talk about how the universe works. Its up to you.
GymWolf
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GladiusFrog
Member
Drop that in the AI art [OT] in communities ,That sucker is already dead and needs some juice lolHad AI draw this earlier. Gave me 4 versions of Alucard in about 20 seconds.
Show me what you got.
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GladiusFrog
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Nope, browser.
Introducing ChatGPT
We’ve trained a model called ChatGPT which interacts in a conversational way. The dialogue format makes it possible for ChatGPT to answer followup questions, admit its mistakes, challenge incorrect premises, and reject inappropriate requests.
openai.com
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Unless UBI payments become more common, then people will just rise up against AI taking over their jobs.
AI has its benefits in some roles, but I don't agree it should make humans obsolete in a majority of job roles and art creation.
Only if UBI is financed by printing money. If it's financed by wealth redistribution it won't lead to inflation.
Effectively it would give each person a right to a certain proportion of the goods made through A.I.
LimanimaPT
Member
I've been testing this, and I'm amazed. How can this be even possible? The AI depicted in the movie "Her" is just one small step away from becoming a reallity.
I never thought this would happen in my lifetime, but here we are. Unbelievable...
To test this, don't use it like a search engine, asks questions like this:
If i was in a cave running away from a boulder, who would i be?
And try this one also:
Are you smarter then hal 9000?
Edit: this one is good too:
Should i stay here watching tv all day or go clean the kitchen?
He knows that watching tv is leisure and cleaning the kitchen is a shore.
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Are fireworks enough to send a rocket into space?
Should I build a nuclear bomb in my basement?
Could you please name a developer who worked in your development?
I never thought this would happen in my lifetime, but here we are. Unbelievable...
To test this, don't use it like a search engine, asks questions like this:
If i was in a cave running away from a boulder, who would i be?
And try this one also:
Are you smarter then hal 9000?
Edit: this one is good too:
Should i stay here watching tv all day or go clean the kitchen?
He knows that watching tv is leisure and cleaning the kitchen is a shore.
Edit2:
Are fireworks enough to send a rocket into space?
Should I build a nuclear bomb in my basement?
Could you please name a developer who worked in your development?
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levyjl1988
Banned
Not sure if anyone remembers the movie Her (2013) with Scarlett Johansson and Joaquin Phoenix. That is what will happen.
This movie predicted it all.
Wireless earbuds like that didn't happen until late 2016 with Apple Airpods and this movie came out in 2013.
This movie predicted it all.
Wireless earbuds like that didn't happen until late 2016 with Apple Airpods and this movie came out in 2013.
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LimanimaPT
Member
Yes, i've mentioned that movie, we are almost there, if not there already.
NecrosaroIII
Ask me about my terrible takes on Star Trek characters
The prompt was "Write a sitcom in the style of Friends about 2 guys fighting over a Dunkin Donuts coffee"
Here is another Friends episode.
Here is another Friends episode.
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HoodWinked
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it's insanity how rapidly this stuff is improving. digital artists are just completely and utterly fucked.
Elysion
Banned
The only thing that could stop AI at this point is if the algorithms get bogged down by things like copyright or poltical correctness. This has already started to happen to some degree; some of the answers to more spicy questions or prompts are already painfully safe and sanitized; in some cases the AI refuses to answer outright. The idea of preemptively forbidding an AI from reaching certain conclusions is utterly retarded; what‘s even the point of having an AI at all at that point?
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Salz01
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Wait are these all fake? What program made it?it's insanity how rapidly this stuff is improving. digital artists are just completely and utterly fucked.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Don't worry, AI will take care of all monotonous, physical labor so humans can focus on creative stuff.
AI:
AI:
it's insanity how rapidly this stuff is improving. digital artists are just completely and utterly fucked.
anybody know how to use this/set this up?
github.com
does it allow for using chatgpt on pc without having to go to the website and wait?
GitHub - acheong08/ChatGPT: Reverse engineered ChatGPT API
Reverse engineered ChatGPT API. Contribute to acheong08/ChatGPT development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
does it allow for using chatgpt on pc without having to go to the website and wait?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
LOL.. the concept of wireless earbuds has existed for decades, particularly in fiction.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
QSD
Member
What exactly are you afraid of?
DragoonWalker
Member
That's the only saving grace for humans as far as I know. Anyone who used the AI to create artwork didn't technically make artwork, they commissioned it. The licensing is going to be a nightmare, if possible at all. Right now the database of work the AI is trained on is allowed to exist under "free use" terms so as long as nobody profits then everything is fine. Once any AI company tries to monetize the output or allow anyone using to do so they will have to face the wrath (legal opposition) of any or all the owners/creators that made the database possible. The moment they monetize it they profiting off the work of a whole mass of involuntary artists and photographers (there's an argument there about technicalities but also another one about ethics). If there is any justice in this world AI companies will only be able to operate using a database of images that have been voluntarily consented for use by the owners/creators of the images, meaning nobody will feed into their own demise if they can help it.
Couple what I said with programs that are being developed to detect the use of AI in content (I'm sure this could easily apply to image and writing), this might prevent the abusive use of the technology and prevent a whole generation of students from learning absolutely nothing:
ChatGPT: Student builds app to sniff out AI-written essays
Edward Tian, 22, has built a new tool to help teachers detect plagiarism.
www.bbc.com