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Brazil is in the Middle of a f***** Outrage right now

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Platy

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LOL at New York Times article on Temer xD

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/world/americas/michel-temer-prepares-to-lead-brazil.html

But Brazilians are getting to know Mr. Temer better as the impeachment battle shifts to the Senate. Compared by rivals to a “butler in a horror movie” because of his formal bearing and cryptic demeanor, Mr. Temer is trying to make his case to the nation much more forcefully now.
[...]
Scrambling to assemble a cabinet in the event he takes over, Mr. Temer is facing an array of challenges, including testimony implicating him and top allies in a graft scandal around Petrobras, the national oil company; surging unemployment during a grinding economic crisis; and growing criticism that the campaign to impeach Ms. Rousseff — which is being led by legislators under the cloud of their own corruption scandals — is illegitimate.
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Mr. Temer defended himself and top allies who are under a cloud of accusations in the scheme. He expressed support for Eduardo Cunha, the scandal-plagued speaker of the lower house who is leading the impeachment effort in Congress, saying he would not ask Mr. Cunha to resign. Mr. Cunha will be the next in line for the presidency if Mr. Temer takes over.
[..]
Making matters worse for Mr. Temer, only 2 percent of Brazilians would vote for him in the 2018 election, Datafolha said, placing him well behind potential candidates like Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the former president who backed Ms. Rousseff’s rise, and Jair Bolsonaro, an ultraconservative congressman from Rio de Janeiro.

Savage xD

Also, I am trying to find an article about Dilma speech at UN ... anyone found a good one ?
 

Massa

Member
That's a funny article actually. Saying that Cunha is a problem for the Legislative and Judiciary becomes "supporting him", with no mention of Dilma's support for the even more corrupt and more powerful Renan Calheiros. Then saying that there's a growing campaign to say the impeachment is illegitimate when even the president herself - the only one who ever supported that theory - is now backing down from it, after Supreme Court Justices repeatedly denied those claims. To say that Temer is "scrambling" to put together a cabinet when in fact he's being supported by the majority of political forces to do just that.
 
That's a funny article actually. Saying that Cunha is a problem for the Legislative and Judiciary becomes "supporting him", with no mention of Dilma's support for the even more corrupt and more powerful Renan Calheiros. Then saying that there's a growing campaign to say the impeachment is illegitimate when even the president herself - the only one who ever supported that theory - is now backing down from it, after Supreme Court Justices repeatedly denied those claims. To say that Temer is "scrambling" to put together a cabinet when in fact he's being supported by the majority of political forces to do just that.

After so many scandals, a legislative body that voted against his impeachment on a secret ballot, then being reelected, that is a huge problem in any politics in any country.
 

Massa

Member
Hmm she is asking for mercosur and unasur to watch over the process, she is not "asking for sanctions", and if she is that is not mentioned in that specific article.

She specifically mentions the "democratic clause", which is about imposing sanctions on countries where there's been a coup... and she mentions it in the sentence following her claim that there's been a coup.
 

Platy

Member
NY Magazine - The Campaign to Impeach Brazil’s President Is Viciously Sexist

The stated reason for Rousseff’s impeachment is her alleged misappropriation of funds in an effort to cover budget gaps and boost confidence in the economy (and her administration). The accusations come from a sweeping anti-corruption campaign, Operação Lava Jato (Operation Car Wash), that has uncovered a dizzying array of malfeasance at nearly every level of government.

So the proceedings against Rousseff might not seem so remarkable, if not for the mind-blowing contradictions involved. Brazil’s previous two presidents, Fernando Henrique Cardoso and Rousseff’s mentor, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, both faced numerous similar — in some cases, more serious — charges (17 counts against Cardoso, 34 for Silva), none of which prompted impeachment hearings.

Meanwhile, Eduardo Cunha, the leader of the Chamber of Deputies and architect of the impeachment, is himself under investigation for corruption and taking bribes. Unlike Rousseff, who has never been accused of taking public funds for herself, Cunha and several other politicians leading the charge against her are accused of siphoning spectacular sums of money from public coffers into their own pockets. What’s more, Michel Temer, Rousseff’s vice-president, is also accused of corruption — while working avidly against Rousseff. At least for now, he seems destined to replace her, which would make for the ultimate sexist double standard.

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But Sunday’s vote took on a troubling tone, like a combination of a Donald Trump rally and the vengeful, violent politics of the military dictatorship that ruled Brazil from 1964 to 1985, when Rousseff herself was imprisoned and tortured for her Marxist activism. The raucous proceedings (complete with singing, shouting, chanting, confetti, and spitting) were cartoonishly sexist. As the process unfolded, it was hard not to think of it as a witch hunt.

Leading the way was right-wing playboy Jair Bolsonaro, the homophobic, racist, pro-military politician who has also been called “the most misogynistic, hateful official in the democratic world.” In 2014, he called a congresswoman “not worth raping.” This weekend, he dove even further to the bottom, “dedicating” his anti-Rousseff vote to Carlos Ustra, a notorious military official who oversaw the department responsible for imprisoning and torturing Rousseff in the 1970s. Perhaps the most vivid symbol of the true motivations behind the impeachment — were the signs that many of Bolsonaro’s supporters waved during the vote on Sunday. In bold green-and-yellow lettering to match Brazil’s flag, the signs carried a snarky, biting phrase: “Tchau Querida” (bye bye, dear).

Miami Herald - In Brazil, the real crime is corruption

As Brazil embarks on the wrenching process of possibly booting President Dilma Rousseff from office, here’s some advice from a country that knows something about impeachment: Make sure it’s about serious violations of law, not about politics.

There is, we hasten to say, no comparison between the charges or situations involving former President Bill Clinton, who was impeached by the House of Representatives almost 20 years ago but survived a trial in the Senate, and that of Ms. Rousseff.

[...]

But the real issue behind this ruckus is not tricky bookkeeping by the president, but rather the corruption crisis engulfing Brazil. That is, indeed, a very big deal — an enormous corruption investigation that has snared some 50 politicians and a few business leaders. It’s left the political system in tatters.

Ms. Rousseff, as it happens, is one of the few ranking political leaders who is not accused of graft. But among those who are is Eduardo Cunha, the head of Brazil’s lower house, the man leading the impeachment drive. He’s being investigated for money laundering and taking bribes. Many of the accused, like him, are among the lawmakers deciding the president’s fate.

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For Brazil’s army of dirty politicians, impeaching a weak and unpopular president offers a fortuitous distraction from their own crimes. It provides a scapegoat to quench the public’s thirst for justice, for a big name to take the fall for the country’s woes and shift the focus away from corrupt lawmakers.

Ms. Rousseff may be guilty of mismanaging the economy, but her hands are clean in the graft and corruption scandal.
 

Platy

Member
I recomend people to watch this 10 minute CNN interview with Dilma

"In Brazil ... just as is the case in the U.S., no one can carry out an impeachment process out of sheer unpopularity of the President, because unpopularity is a cyclical thing," Rousseff said. "Because if it were not so, all Presidents, all Prime Ministers in Europe that experienced 20% unemployment rates would inevitably have to go through an impeachment process. Because they, too, experienced substantial drops in their popularity."
 

Tiu Neo

Member
The big problem with that is, while this process is running, nobody on the government will do fucking anything not related to the process. And just as that, this whole crisis will drag on a bit more...
 

trembli0s

Member
Well, as if this country couldnt become more of a joke. What the fuck. Embarrassing as a brazilian.

Dude, don't worry. The entire global political class is a fucking joke.

The Philipines are about to elect a proud murderer, Europe is being swept up by right-wing, xenophobic parties, and the US election is coming down to a corrupt plutocrat and a crazy, racist plutocrat.
 
Wait - its over? The impeachment process was annulled? Why is the financial times reporting we'd have a new President by the end of the week? Why is no one else in the world talking about this?
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
Dude, don't worry. The entire global political class is a fucking joke.

The Philipines are about to elect a proud murderer, Europe is being swept up by right-wing, xenophobic parties, and the US election is coming down to a corrupt plutocrat and a crazy, racist plutocrat.

In Canada we elected an ex substitute teacher who is really nice and we're in the process of legalizing weed, among other more Canada local liberal policies! We're pretty happy about it.
 

Tiops

Member
Amazing. This country is unbeliveable. I need to move.

And of course, the current acting speaker voted against the impeachment last month. Now he comes and just anulls everything, because fuck everyone.


Btw, one day before the impeachment vote, he was in a meeting with the ex-president, Lula, in a hotel, apparently negotiating a position in the government if he voted against the process. And he was in a meeting yesterday with a government lawyer, just before annuling the impeachment. Awesome.
 
Its not over yet.

The Lower House may get a majority to nullify this, and at worst, the process goes back to voting again.


ActuallyI am not against some of the charges. Vote for impeach the president 'cuz family' is a big joke.
 

Shepard

Member
I can't sit throught another round of the lower house voting for/against the impeachment, that was tiresome as shit, and we know the result will be the same...
 
Ohhh of course. And now nullified everything Cunha did as soon as he assumed as lower house speaker. What an awesome lackey.

Cunha just wants to keep his power in the lower house. He was taken off when the impeachment was considered 100% done. Temer clearly wouldn't want to stain his image by leaving Cunha by his side.
 

trembli0s

Member
So they can re-impeach now?

Sounds like there's a lot of horse trading going on as politicians are scrambling to save their necks from the chopping block.
 

Gvitor

Member
I don't understand this. Can someone plz explain, if possible? :O

We can't explain the zoeira, we can only live with it.

Basically they took Cunha out and the new guy in his place decided to overthrow the impeachment process by saying the reasons she's being impeached is different from those she's being accused/investigated, even though the process already got past his powers/influence.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
The new speaker of the house annuled the original vote.

The same speaker that had closed door meetings with ex-president Lula the day before the vote back in April 17th.

Does he have the power to annul a previous vote? That seems like a really weird power for a speaker to have.
 

hawk2025

Member
Does he have the power to annul a previous vote? That seems like a really weird power for a speaker to have.

Well, the supreme court can theoretically intervene and say nope, you can't do that.

But then that's even more institutional weakness as a result.

Dilma is actively trying to dismantle the country to stay in power.
 

LuuKyK

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I don't understand this. Can someone plz explain, if possible? :O

Basically they took out the guy who led the impeachment voting just a few days before the voting at the senate begins so that his substitute (who has some shady connections with former president - who is currently being investigated by a bunch of crimes - Lula) annulled everything because "reasons" even though its not even in his power to do so. I swear this political party will do anything to remain with power. Just disgusting.
 

Platy

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Ohhh of course. And now nullified everything Cunha did as soon as he assumed as lower house speaker. What an awesome lackey.

"Whoever voted for Cunha on the presidency voted for Waldir as the vice president so they can't complain" =P

I don't understand this. Can someone plz explain, if possible? :O

Guardian : Rousseff impeachment vote annulled, throwing Brazil legislature into chaos

Waldir Maranhao, who took over as acting speaker last week, said a new congressional vote would be needed as a result of procedural flaws in the previous session.

Maranhao is no friend of the government, prompting speculation that he may be acting on behalf of his predecessor, Eduardo Cunha, who was removed from his post by the supreme court on the grounds that he was interfering in a corruption investigation into his alleged kickbacks from the state-run oil company, Petrobras.

For the moment, however, uncertainty reigns. After last month’s lower house vote, the impeachment process was passed to the senate, where a committee recommended on Friday that the leftist president be put on trial by the full chamber for breaking budget laws.

In a news release, Maranhao said the impeachment process should be returned by the senate so that the lower house can vote again.

It remained unclear whether his decision could be overruled by the supreme court, the senate or a majority in the house.
 
House of Brasil showing how to do a good politician series :v

No one in the world would have come with that plot, even fiction needs cohesion.
 

Tiops

Member
"Whoever voted for Cunha on the presidency voted for Waldir as the vice president so they can't complain" =P

Well, considering that it's not the people that vote for the lower house speaker and it's an internal vote, this makes absolutely no sense.
 

hawk2025

Member
"Maranhao is no friend of the government"


lol, true.


Then he meets with Lula, and votes No the very next day. Rotten to the core.


Well, considering that it's not the people that vote for the lower house speaker and it's an internal vote, this makes absolutely no sense.

Seriously.
 

Sblargh

Banned
Platy is a great person, generally, but she is like Fox News trying to defend the Bush admnistration when it comes to this issue.
 

hawk2025

Member
Good, Dilma did nothing wrong and the pro impeachment deputies were complete clowns, "For God, my aunt watching at home and the coup of 64, I vote yes" and BrazilGAF support this clowns? Shame.



You're from Mexico right? Watch this Aristegui CNN report.

Well, now that the great legal scholar Barajas_201 has spoken on the legality of a complex fiscal issue that set the country back more than a decade, I'm completely convinced!
 

Massa

Member
Good, Dilma did nothing wrong and the pro impeachment deputies were complete clowns, "For God, my aunt watching at home and the coup of 64, I vote yes" and BrazilGAF support this clowns? Shame.
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Actually Dilma did commit crimes of responsibility, which is why she will be impeached.
 

Sblargh

Banned
Yeah, they did their shitty show for TV because everyone was watching, that's politics. There were right wing extremists that took the opportunity to defend their horrible bullshit, but to read them as mainstream and not extremists is so disingenuous that you only bring it up when wanting to disqualify a legitimate debate, which is the government tactic right now.

"ignore all the corruption and the wrongdoings from the president or the dictatorship boogey man will get you". Yeah, well, keep doing those stunts that discredit democracy and eventually your hunger for power and dirty money will have eroded democracy enough to actually leave us vulnerable to more extremist positions.

Let democracy run its course, the republican party on the US started this bullshit game of using red tape to stop democracy and now their institutions are so fucked that a clown like Trump is running for president because "establishment" become a dirty word.
 

hawk2025

Member
Reports are mentioning that Maranhao met with:

- The AGU, who wrote the report
- Cunha


Both before making this move.


I can only assume that he knew he had a valuable bargaining chip, and sold it to the highest bidder.

Cherry on top: Maranhao is, of course, currently being investigated for corruption by the Car Wash operation.
 

Platy

Member
Platy is a great person, generally, but she is like Fox News trying to defend the Bush admnistration when it comes to this issue.

Which is why I was trying to just link news reports about that so people can't say this about me ... but people say anyway so fuck it I will talk =P

Reports are mentioning that Maranhao met with:

- The AGU, who wrote the report
- Cunha


Both before making this move.


I can only assume that he knew he had a valuable bargaining chip, and sold it to the highest bidder.

Cherry on top: Maranhao is, of course, currently being investigated for corruption by the Car Wash operation.

Also, don't forget that this move show how important is Cunha to the opposition, make it more difficult for him to actualy be criminaly punished instead of just loosing presidency of the deputy chamber.... while at the same time having a voting that will probably go on with the impeachment anyway
 

hawk2025

Member
Oh yes, I can definitely see the scenario as well that Cunha articulated this to flex muscles and signal his power to the new government.

Hell, if Maranhao could get paid for it -- why not both? At this juncture, this move heavily benefits Dilma/Lula and marginally benefits Cunha's future, potentially. They are odd allies in this.
 
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