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Bayonetta 2; the best modern beat em up ever

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I understand. Just out of curiosity, how did you like Streets of Rage 4?

I was in "rage" because SOR, and maybe SOR2 in particular, is my most replayed game ever. I still have all the classic soundtracks of SOR in my car.

My problem is I wanted a matured SOR game, something like Fighting Force evolvement on PS1 if you remember that game. What I've seen in SOR4 is just a reskinned 1990's game that I already got fed up from beating more than 100 times. Me, my older sister and brother love this classic game, but they didn't respect the title because I've expected a more matured game this time around.

Didn't buy it, but might get it when it's on PS Plus or later. Something to note is I can't stomach old games/mechanics, I'm always in for innovations and new tech. Nostalgia is only nice to watch on youtube or listen to old music from those old games.
 

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Yakuza was my best modern beat em up game, now it's a mobile, chess-like combat BS.



God forbid the Yakuza team tried something new after creating six mainline games, a prequel, two remakes, various HD re-releases, two portable entries, and two spin-offs in the same style. Were you this ass mad when they released Kenzan, Dead Souls or Ishin?
 
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Bayo 2 is amazing but I still somewhat prefer Astral Chain, simply because of the gigantic learning curve and massive amount of combos you can achieve with the Chimeras.

A 60fps / native resolution version of it would probably give the game justice in terms of general perception.
 

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Bayo 2 is amazing but I still somewhat prefer Astral Chain, simply because of the gigantic learning curve and massive amount of combos you can achieve with the Chimeras.

A 60fps / native resolution version of it would probably give the game justice in terms of general perception.

I never got out of the tutorial. I really need to bump this game up in my backlog.
 
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I heard druckman wants to make Bayonetta next. List of things to improve.


Shorten legs.
Increase weight.
Baggy clothing (beige/green combat pants)
Make the face more masculine.
Remove the sexist (sexy) poses and replace with angry angsty 'badass' poses.
Insert contemporary storyline.
 

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Bayonetta 2 is clearly a better game and pretty much polished to near perfection, in some ways nearly too much. Wonderful 101 is incredible but with some seriously weird design choices and overall it's just not as polished or spectacular as Bayonetta 2. Still both games were 100% a good enough reason to buy a Wii U and they worth it on Switch too. Enjoy.
However the climax in The Wonderful 101 is more exhilarating than in Bayonnetta 2. I remember laughing out of excitation while frantically smashing the buttons of my GamePad. The highs are well worth the downs in that game.
 

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You can't compare bayo 2 to Gow or sor4. They play so much in different areas, to me they all best in their genre and style, but it can be compared to dmc5, and bayo is better, also I don't like the many playable characters in dmc5, they should've focus on 1 character and making a better lvl design. Also Bayo 1 is better than 2, 2 was good tho.
 
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Those are nintendo games, I don't like portables. Won't bother with something that's not on PS5/PC.
Oh man i'm so much with you I don't like portables games either, home console all the way, i only play portable when i don't have choice like a game I really interested in but it's only available in a fucking portable, i played nds dq games with emulator on pc, portable sucks, tho I think portable isn't as bad as mobile.
 
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God forbid the Yakuza team tried something new after creating six mainline games, a prequel, two remakes, various HD re-releases, two portable entries, and two spin-offs in the same style. Where you this ass mad when they released Kenzan, Dead Souls or Ishin?

I think they will see the sales and compare.

Don't even know what are these; Kenzan, Dead Souls or Ishin.
 
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Hawks Eclipse

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I forgot Revengeance. Awesome game for sure.
I’ll check out God Hand and Transformers. Honestly I saw Transformers come out but I thought “licensed game” and never really followed up with the reviews
Both God Hand and Transformers are chock full of punchy, pummeling action. In some ways, GH is like Punch Out except even wackier and you're not stationary, oh and despite the name, you have plenty of kicks as well.

Transformers builds on top of the lite third person shooting that was in MGR and makes it play more into the game, though you can always stick to mostly fisticuffs if you want. It's got some rough edges due to being a seemingly rushed, budget title but if you can overlook those, it's a good, high speed brawler in 3D.
Sadly it's been delisted digitally, so you're gonna have to do some hunting. Or if you have PS Plus (NA) from a few years back, it was free in one of the months.

Some YouTube videos when you do get around to the games!
(I haven't actually watched that GH play list myself, though I know the dude's been repping GH hard for many years now)
 
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It's a hack & slash game.

It was called "Stylistic Action Game" by the genre and DMC/Bayonetta creator Hideki Kamiya.

Hack n' slash games are what's called "Diablo-like" in modern times even though Diablo's creators called it a hack n slash game.
 

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Based on pure mechanics and teaching you how to play the game, Bayo 1 is better but Bayo 2 does have some good qualities to it. Namely, it looks better and the spectacles are cooler to look at it.

I for one cannot wait for the third game and I am so glad Nintendo kept the series alive. But I am curious? Outside of Devil May Cry what is everyone's rec for other amazing 3D beat em up games? I am hungry for more and I really haven't played too many in the last few years...mostly due to the fact I kept getting disappointed in them!

Play Metal Gear Rising Revengence, Astral Chain is fun to play as well or if you want another Kamiya game, Wonderful 101 is good as well.
 
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Hawks Eclipse

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I heard druckman wants to make Bayonetta next. List of things to improve.


Shorten legs.
Increase weight.
Baggy clothing (beige/green combat pants)
Make the face more masculine.
Remove the sexist (sexy) poses and replace with angry angsty 'badass' poses.
Insert contemporary storyline.
You jest, but I'm open to seeing PG collaborate with a Western dev on anything.

It's no secret that PG has taken influence from the West and I'm sure they will fight hard to maintain the tradition of having great asses on their characters anyway.
 

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I can't remember the last time I've seen someone be so wrong.
I can see the "too many boss fights" complaint having merit, albeit not worded in a way that gets the point across best.

Depending on how the devs space out boss fights, it can make the player feel like there's no build up to the big fight. On top of that Bayo 2 dialled down the overall damage output, making boss fights feel spongier than normal.

It was probably a conscious decision on PG's part, I remember them saying they wanted the game to feel like a consecutive chain of climaxes, but not everyone enjoys that without sufficient (obviously, this is subjective) build up.

For what it's worth, I think MGR had the best pacing and build ups to boss fights in PG's catalogue, even if it broke some sacred action game traditions while doing so (forced limp-walking, lengthy expository cutscenes + final boss straight outta nowhere). It definitely helps that the boss designs are all really endearing and iconic to me.
 

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I can see the "too many boss fights" complaint having merit, albeit not worded in a way that gets the point across best.

Depending on how the devs space out boss fights, it can make the player feel like there's no build up to the big fight. On top of that Bayo 2 dialled down the overall damage output, making boss fights feel spongier than normal.

It was probably a conscious decision on PG's part, I remember them saying they wanted the game to feel like a consecutive chain of climaxes, but not everyone enjoys that without sufficient (obviously, this is subjective) build up.

For what it's worth, I think MGR had the best pacing and build ups to boss fights in PG's catalogue, even if it broke some sacred action game traditions while doing so (forced limp-walking, lengthy expository cutscenes + final boss straight outta nowhere). It definitely helps that the boss designs are all really endearing and iconic to me.
I get that. I think MGR is more memorable and fun overall.
 

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I get that. I think MGR is more memorable and fun overall.
I think it also helps that MGR isn't too long and has lots of memorable sequences + music going on. Plenty of highly quotable dialogue too.

Would really like to see Kenji Saito (MGR & Transformers) get another directorial chance with more time and budget.
 

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ninja gaiden black and 2 are still the best imo. Gow Ascension is often unfairly judged since it really has a robust combat system. Bayo games are tied. The first has a better more streamlined combat system bit has those on rails chapters and the turrets ugh, but 2 has that climax get out of jail free card and the witch time is slightly shorter and weirder.
 
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+ Good Gameplay

-Bad and repetitive boss fights
-Bad pacing
-Bad and cringe story and characters, Bayonetta is easily the worst main character in gaming history
-Bad graphics that looks like a 2008 game

Platinum last good game was MGR, after that everything went downhill
 

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It was called "Stylistic Action Game" by the genre and DMC/Bayonetta creator Hideki Kamiya.

Hack n' slash games are what's called "Diablo-like" in modern times even though Diablo's creators called it a hack n slash game.
No, Hideki Kamiya can call it however he wants, but almost everybody else calls the genre of Bayonetta or Devil May Cry hack and slash, as can be seen in place like wikipedia.

There is this 3rd person action-adventure variant of the hack and slash, and then there is also the action RPG variant of hack and slash of Diablo and similar games.
 
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Bayo 2 is amazing but I still somewhat prefer Astral Chain, simply because of the gigantic learning curve and massive amount of combos you can achieve with the Chimeras.

A 60fps / native resolution version of it would probably give the game justice in terms of general perception.
Immediately hooked when it went on full animu.

 

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I just beat it for the first time recently, excited for the Bayo 3 news finally this year.

IMO Bayo 1 is better... but they are close

1 had a better/more serious story, but 2 perfected the combat mechanics and UI. While the story of 2 completely irreverent and just enough to move the plot forward, the game to me was much much more fun.

I hope 3 is the best of both worlds.
 

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Bayo 2 is good, but DMC V absolutely destroys it in almost every category. Amazing visuals + tight mechanics + Devil Trigger/ Bury the Light playing in the background = PERFECTION.
 
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+ Good Gameplay

-Bad and repetitive boss fights
-Bad pacing
-Bad and cringe story and characters, Bayonetta is easily the worst main character in gaming history
-Bad graphics that looks like a 2008 game

Platinum last good game was MGR, after that everything went downhill
Bad graphics? We must have eyes that work differently. They certainly aren't the best ever but bad?!
 

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Somebody said God Hand?

You can't compare bayo 2 to Gow or sor4. They play so much in different areas, to me they all best in their genre and style, but it can be compared to dmc5, and bayo is better, also I don't like the many playable characters in dmc5, they should've focus on 1 character and making a better lvl design. Also Bayo 1 is better than 2, 2 was good tho.
You can pick either of the 3 main characters of DMCV and they all have better movesets with more utility and creative moves than the whole arsenal of Bayo 2. I do think that bayo 1 it's miles better than 2 tho.
 
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Somebody said God Hand?


You can pick either of the 3 main characters of DMCV and they all have better movesets with more utility and creative moves than the whole arsenal of Bayo 2. I do think that bayo 1 it's miles better than 2 tho.
I can see the plus on having multi characters, more variety and see, but in this kind of game, just give me one character with deep gameplay, good story and good lvl design. The way it's done in DMC5 is really not good imo, you play Nero, you unlock new stuffs, then ... BOOM guess what you're gonna play Dante next mission, and then once you come back on Nero i forgot what i bought to him and, and vice versa when switch with V and Dante, and the fact that both are deep gameplay wise make it even worse. IDK maybe it could've been better if it was done in other way, but i def not like the way multi characters were done in DMCV.

I agree about last point.
 

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Replaying on Switch with having experience with Dark Souls games really helps navigate the fights better. Getting mostly Platinum rankings instead of stone this time... 👀
 

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Didn't play Bayonetta 2 yet, so I don't have an opinion. My favorites are God Hand, DMC3/V and Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma(didn't play the original yet).

Just passing by to give my thumbs up to anyone calling Bayonetta a beat em up. Always thought it was lame to define a genre of a game based if the character uses fist or weapons when, mechanically, it is the same.

The naming of the genre is a mess. I like to use "brawler" but I admit it is too wide term also.
 

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I forgot Revengeance. Awesome game for sure.
I’ll check out God Hand and Transformers. Honestly I saw Transformers come out but I thought “licensed game” and never really followed up with the reviews
You better do.

 

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DMCV Special with Vergil is the best I have played so far. Its ridiculous and just pure bliss. When bury the light kicks in during Stylish rank I just get into the zone and I get creative... and motivated! Then I fish for a JCE finish. I play this shit with Pulse 3D and its just something.

NG2 on Series SX/OneX is the other one.
 
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‘Modern’ and ‘ever’ seem like conflicting qualifiers . Its like saying Hitman 3 is the best game since 2020 ever.
 
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