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Opinion Drama Hardware Austin Evans Defends His PS5 Revision Video (Let's Talk About The New PS5)

Do You Agree With Austin's Opinions On The New PS5?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 18.7%
  • No

    Votes: 94 21.5%
  • Don't really care

    Votes: 162 37.0%
  • Waiting for Digital Foundry, Gamers Nexus and others to decide

    Votes: 100 22.8%

  • Total voters
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Yep. That's how mine runs. My pc is way louder and I've set all fan curves, have all be quiet fans etc

My PS5 is also silent. But I removed the shitty Nidec Fan and replaced it with a NMB Fan.😆🤷🏼‍♂️

I'm not saying the PS5 is dead silent but if it's as loud as the PS4 Pro that isn't normal.

The biggest complaint about the acoustics is the coil whine which I understand may not be covered by the warranty. But a console that suffers overheating issues that causes burns on the cover certainly is. Someone that sells it second hand either broke it himself or is just making up the issue. Pretty sure contacting Sony will fix the issue since it's abnormal for a PS5 to heat up that much.

Edit: Assuming someone sold the console with those issues without informing the person whose buying it. That's a scam in my eyes.
 
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Considering I've had my PS5 since launch and used it during the hottest summer here in Upstate New York you either have a faulty PS5, have it in a space without good ventilation or your place is 75-80 degrees 24/7.

Mine has been silent since I bought it, only noise is from disc drive when installing or loading a game then it goes quiet after that.

My AC is set at 78 degrees all summer (Bergen NJ), and my PS5 is still quiet.

If I had my AC set below 75... I think I could buy a PS5 every other month...
 

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It’s sad how some warriors just come online and lie their nose out, but it’s kinda funny when the lie is so blatant. It’s so easy to troll without lying, I don’t get it. A complete lack of imagination I guess.
 
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It's actually King thrash.
Also he's basically never right. He just plain ignores things to make it seem like he is.
Brilliant, so much depth.

The guy tends to be right more often than not.... At least he doesn't masquerade behind some semi serious sounding name like "Digital Foundry", he does what he does, usually he backs his opinions behind actual information, etc. and a bit of mud slinging to make the whole thing interesting.

However the use of data does not mean you are right, Austin uses "data" and he is completely off the rails with his conclusion because he does not understand what he measured, so he could not interpret it in an intelligent manner.
 

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He showed facts but told lies.

The PS5 doesn't throttle because of heat.
The PS5 doesn't have overheating issues.
The PS5 doesn't have worst cooling as it still uses liquid metal.
And the new heatsink isn't massively reduced.

Redesign yes but the word 'massively' is incorrectly used to generate clicks.

But it cannot be said that it is as good as the previous model
 

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This is why Playstation is dead for this generation.

Fanboys are an infaillible indicators of a platform failure for many reasons (that I will spare you the socio-prospective mechanics of).
 

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Just saw on my phone in Google feed that even some of the Finnish old school(prestigious) tech magazines have picked up this clickbait BS and made their clickbait article even worse.


Why did Sony make their PS5 shittier?

Then looked at the reviews this site had made of the consoles.
Those were titled something like:
Playing on XBox is wonderful.
What is PS5 good for anyways?

:lollipop_anxious_sweat:

Shilling for MSFT is so strong.
But still PlayStation keeps winning.
 
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Brilliant, so much depth.

The guy tends to be right more often than not.... At least he doesn't masquerade behind some semi serious sounding name like "Digital Foundry", he does what he does, usually he backs his opinions behind actual information, etc. and a bit of mud slinging to make the whole thing interesting.

However the use of data does not mean you are right, Austin uses "data" and he is completely off the rails with his conclusion because he does not understand what he measured, so he could not interpret it in an intelligent manner.
I've only seen a few posted here. And every one of them was based around q premise that was totally false.
 
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Good video
OK, that guy lost me when he started bitching about people arguing which console is better online! Where else would I do this if I want to keep a semi legit social life? I mean, offline I talk about video games with select people, but I would not fight or argue to a point where it's not polite... Here however? who cares if I can't come for a week! the gloves are off!
 
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No wonder MKBHD stopped making videos with him long time ago. I always disliked Austin, he has this wide arm posture trying to look buff i guess but he is just a skinny twerp with tight sleeves. Whenever his videos start I imagine a Goofy voice because it would fit his face perfectly. Out of all the YTers that have somewhat a name in the tech reviews, Id say Austin is the lowest ranked. Its like he watches what other people do then makes his own with other peoples takes.

Poor guy tried to do it all on his own and just shit in his mouth, this is like The Verge build a PC fiasco lol.
 

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He’s a hack who wanted easy clicks so he lied and is walking it back. You cannot name a video “the new PS5 is Worse” and then try to say you didn’t mislead people. He has no data to prove the title of his video. By his logic the PS5 was better than the Series X because the PS5 runs cooler still, which is dumb since if both are within the limits they are both fine. The Doxxing is bad but he’s so disingenuous.
But.... IT IS WORSE!

You have to be dense as f*CK to think otherwise... And by now you should know this is Sony's STANDARD PRACTICE! they did it with PS3 they did it with PS4, what's so hard to understand?
 

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But.... IT IS WORSE!

You have to be dense as f*CK to think otherwise... And by now you should know this is Sony's STANDARD PRACTICE! they did it with PS3 they did it with PS4, what's so hard to understand?
How can it be worst and still uses liquid metal?
Not to mention the fan is quieter which suggest not one thing is wrong with the redesign heatsink.

A quieter fan and hotter exhaust temps means the heatsink is actually better at transferring heat with better airflow.

Only dense people think Austin is right. In the PC space, the larger you make a single fan heatsink the more you get diminishing returns via restricted airflow.

Now that is physics, not the bs he be saying.
 
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How would you get real world data? There's not enough of facility playing every taxing game on the system from DISc to on the drive. Also hard to test real world use when these things are tested in lab setups not a entertainment center that sits on someones carpet or possibly next to a heating source like a furnace/chimney.

Easy (relatively speaking): you build testing environments taking a range of use-cases into account and build application tests to stress the platform to its limits. End user customers in the PC space can do this with CPU and GPU tests using benchmarking software to gauge performance and thermals, why can't platform holders do it?

Yes, consoles have use-cases different in a lot of ways than PCs, but if these kind of tests are possible on PC they should be able to be done with controlled experiments by platform holders to gauge how components will perform and what level of cooling they may need to hit & maintain performance targets.

Like, you can just get an entertainment center and set it up in the lab so 🤷‍♂️

Thats how all revisions have worked. They for sure have internal testing data, but wont have data of someone living in humid/extreme hot locations like Florida, Arizona. And thats what you want, they will look at the hotests places mixed with what the heat curves look like which probably are recorded in firmware logs. Then sent every month for analyzing.

But these are multi-billion (multi-trillion in some cases) corporations; they have the financial and resource means to simulate that stuff with their internal testing facilities. Yes, those won't 100% reflect every individual use-case, but they'll come within 99% of them if calibrated correctly.

How do you think Sony figured the level of cooling design needed for prior systems, back when there was no internet to ping in and gather user data? And yet those systems had very adequate cooling designs for their time. That's not actually the point tho, because it's not like I'm saying the PS5 has an inadequate cooling design for either the original or revision models.

It's more just a question of if any of those prior systems had cooling designs in their original launch models that people would've considered "over-engineered" the way I am seeing some people speak about the launch PS5's cooling design (as a means of rationalizing the reduced heat pipe design of the revised model).

PS2 started giant, than after revisions of the chip and removing the HDD cage they made the slim. Also from a failure stand point stopped with ejecting trays. PS3 is the same way, after removing the PS2 chip, and sliming some things down SOC wise they were able to get the console down smaller and the back never got as hot as original PS3 did with its internal PSU.

Remember they had a regular PC power cord for original PS3 but went back to a ps2 style in the slims.

Yeah but those are revisions where multiple components were changed in the system and scaled down in size/power consumption costs. Plus as you say in your PS2 example, for those designs the chip itself also saw changes, but we are pretty sure that the SoC in the PS5 revision is the same as the one in the launch model.

For a brief moment I entertained the idea it was 6nm because there are some leaked rumors of Sony securing some 6nm fab production, but those point to models coming around the middle of 2022 at earliest, so this can't be that. This new PS5 revision only has a change in the heat pipe/sink size, the fan model and swapping out the copper plating for aluminum. AFAIK everything else remains the same.

Why are people so pathetic and whiney? He looked into the changes and showed the heatsink changed and the exhaust temps went up. And then rabid fanboys attack the guy?

Sony saw a chance to improve the design. If it is cheaper, weights less and still is stable that is better engineering. They will ship millions of pounds less each year. Good job. At the same time the newer model is a slight downgrade from the launch one. So what? It will still play games fine.

Ultimately this. But the line where the theory-crafting is coming up is to do with what has been re-engineered to lead to what can be considered better engineering versus the launch model. The fan, possibly? It's a different model after all, same supplier. Maybe there is something to the heat pipe we have not been able to see yet which is different from the older design? Maybe some particular chip components are arranged a bit differently on the PCB?

Without having concrete answers to questions like those it's actually rather difficult to say with certainty that it's better engineered except if want to blindly have faith in such because of the company designing it and the fact it's a multi-billion dollar venture. Which are very fair reasons to do so...though that hasn't prevented issues in the past from cropping up with questionably built consoles from virtually every platform holder that's ever existed, including Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.

IMO there's not really anything that's been displayed so far with the new design that "jumps out" to me and says "yeah that's absolutely better engineered vs. the launch model". What I see is a unit that is still perfectly fine for its task and very likely well within operational range for long-term usability, but might just be a tad less efficient than its immediate prior model. Not a particularly big deal at the end of the day because system faulty rates won't see a surge, but it might enough a difference for some to consider picking up a launch model if given the choice.
 

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The newer heatsink also looks like it has access to more cool air across all of its parts (obviously) instead of the older one.

Is it known if anyone is doing indepth testing into this whole circus?
 
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Gamers Nexus are trying to get hold of the new revision, a bit of an update on how they felt about these tests and they're now working on a video about these camera apps and are also currently in discussions with Digital Foundry for future work.
 
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Gamers Nexus are trying to get hold of the new revision, a bit of an update on how they felt about these tests and they're now working on a video about these camera apps and are also currently in discussions with Digital Foundry for future work.

"we don't want to create argument without data to back it up"

Thank GIF


This whole thing reminds me of all the bullshit that was going on pre-release surrounding the hardware capability of the PS5. No surprise to see the same people writing paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit that is backed up by nothing but their feelings.

Got to create and capitalise on any potential negative bias uncertainty while it exists though I guess.
 

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... Got to create and capitalise on any potential negative bias uncertainty while it exists though I guess.
Well said. It's why I generally stopped watching a lot of these channels despite some of their earlier videos being interesting or at least well put together.

The amount of absolute garbage they spew. "I'm just repeating what I've heard, so let me say: this is a rumour, this is not confirmed, this is just a rumour... but I'm going to make a 10:01 video on it today before its denied tomorrow: according to a person on reddit who is quoting a twitter post that was a photo screen capture of a Google translate page of a Swedish YouTube comment section's link to a Tumblr post... the new PS5 revision is potentially overheating and killing innocent children when it explodes. Now, this is not confirmed, this is just a rumour... but big if true and Sony should be ashamed of themselves."
 
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I've not read any of this thread so maybe discounted already but if the main board is the same surely the only cheap way to test how effective the new heatsink is (without testing 100s of PS5s and averaging results) is to drop it on an old model and measure the temps as best as you can with temp sensors and not a thermal camera.

Silicon lottery will have an impact otherwise.

Although if they are not overheating and shutting down or making loads of noise it doesn't even matter.
 

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There appears to be more people upset with Austin's opinion on a game console than him getting death threats over said opinion. That is never a good look.
Or this is Outrage Thread Attempt #12956 and it can be possible not to condone or support people threatening him online (I guess you are also patrolling against abuse directed towards Druckman, TLoU2 actors, etc… surely right?) while also saying his original article was unsupported clickbait drama?
Internet abuse does neither validate the initial opinion nor invalidate it.
 
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Digital Foundry taking their sweet ol time as usual :messenger_sleeping: they've had the new model for almost a week now?

Mr Mayor Waiting GIF by NBC

Maybe they are hoping gamers nexus can go first. If the temps are warmer I would be more worried about being the bearer of bad news than actually delivering the facts.

You are basically opening yourself up to be assassinated and picked apart to high hell in the view of the whole world.
 
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Panajev2001a

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damn soyny fans really are the worst community
Selective memory helps. Someone even quoted Darx10x / John L. from DF that was mentioning the harsh abuse he was getting and how much it was coming from the green camp… and? You want to look down on partisan console warriors accusing people online without supporting evidence either? Maybe best done in a non console warring way?!?