Support NeoGAF

[Negotiator101]

How deluded are you? The games will look better but the FPS will get worse. PS5 is not some magic box. It's a mid to shit tier PC.

I'm just annoyed I'll likely have to wait 12 months for the PC release. I have a PS5 but would really resent if the pro is out and I end up buying one purely for GTA. I've barely touched the PS5 as it is.

It' not delusional when you look at previous generations. When most games so far are rooted in last gen technology, and the ones that aren't have had nether the time or the resources to take advantage of it.

This will become apparent as we progress through this generation, second gen games from the likes of Guerilla, Playground and of course the first real next-gen game from Naughty Dog.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Yes I would buy a refresh to play GTA6 at 60+

 

[Krieger]

Just wait for the PS6 and the GTA 6 Definitive Edition.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Sure why not, consoles are cheap.

 

[Myths]

Well… I wouldn’t mind snagging a console since I don’t have one. If I did, it would most likely be at a time where there would be a refresh.

 

[German Hops]

 

[Xtib81]

If you want to play at a decent framerate, then yes.

 

[Bond007]

No- but i will buy a PS5 pro cause im a sucker and would want the best version of GTA.

 

[Edmund]

I'll buy the ps5 pro and get the LG G4 and give my G1 to my mum when GTA 6 is out.

 

[Metnut]

RDR2 ran just fine in base PS4. GTA6 will run fine on PS5. It’s being developed for the PS5 primarily since most people will be playing it on that platform. They’ll obviously make sure it’s a good experience.

 

[Dexero]

All we saw was a bunch of prerendered cutscenes/cinematic crap so.. it’s premature to say the least?

 

[MikeM]

I would gladly take a new console every three years. It would be enough to keep me away from PC.

 

[Evil Calvin]

We've barely had any next-gen ONLY games in the last 3 years. Give them time to focus solely on this gen.

 

[Fbh]

This gen has needed a mid gen refresh from the moment the 60fps modes in several games started to run below 1080p.... and sometimes as low as 720p.

All we saw was a bunch of prerendered cutscenes/cinematic crap so.. it’s premature to say the least?

It's not a proper Neogaf thread about a hyped new game unless people see an "in engine" trailer and assume that's literally how the gameplay will look.
Happened with Horizon, Cyberpunk, Avatar, etc and it will happen with this now

 

[Denton]

And wait til god knows when to play this masterpiece?

You're already waiting two years anyway, one more is fine, it's not like there is shortage of games to play.

 

[Audiophile]

Yup, I wanna see fundamental game design and simulation pushed to the limit on base consoles for major titles, with 30fps & 40fps being more standard there to allow it.

Then PS5 Pro offering upgraded visuals @ 30fps/40fps or similar visuals @ 60fps (with up to 120fps/vrr frame gen).

 

[StereoVsn]

it will run 4k 60 in performance mode and 1080p 60 in details mode. also, there will be a 120hz mode. mark that post

I agree, that will happen on PS6/XSNew Remaster in 2029 for $80.

 

[twilo99]

It all depends on CPU requirements.

PS5 pro should move to zen3 cores

 

[Schmendrick]

yes, but since I´ve got a beefy PC and everything ends up on PC anyways I won`t buy one.

 

[EverydayBeast]

I think new consoles use to mean a restart the goal was to get 10 years out of a console

 

[Mephisto40]

There isnt going to be a "mid gen refresh"

 

[rodrigolfp]

No need because there are PCs. Stop wasting more silicon of the planet.

 

[Verchod]

Why would you need to buy an upgraded console to run this game? It's only formats are current gen consoles so, in theory, they've built the game to run on them. The games target IS current gen. They'd be no excuse if the game ran badly

 

[Lupin25]

No, but I’ll get one for the 4K/60 fps.

This game will look & play amazing on the Ps5 or XSX, it’s just the XSS I’m unsure about.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

After seeing that trailer that is almost certainly going to run sub 30 fps on PS5 and XSX

WTF are some of ya'll smoking when you make claims like these?

The GTA VI trailer looked nice, but it was very clearly leaning on a LOT of the same technology they used in RDR2 which was a game designed for last gen consoles.

What specific visual feature did you see that makes you think consoles some 8-9x faster cannot produce these visuals? I'm honestly baffled.

It wouldn't surprise me if the game ran at 60fps, 1440p on PS5 and XSX.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Anyone that votes "No" should be removed from GAF immediately

edit: clearly a joke, if the option is there to give me a better frame-rate/resolution then I am 100% in to play this game at the highest performance possible (before it comes to PC obviously)

 

[Kenneth Haight]

WTF are some of ya'll smoking when you make claims like these?

The GTA VI trailer looked nice, but it was very clearly leaning on a LOT of the same technology they used in RDR2 which was a game designed for last gen consoles.

What specific visual feature did you see that makes you think consoles some 8-9x faster cannot produce these visuals? I'm honestly baffled.

It wouldn't surprise me if the game ran at 60fps, 1440p on PS5 and XSX.

I will be seriously impressed if this runs at a stable 60fps on a PS5. I love your optimism.

If they are that confident, then I hope to god they patch RDR2, my £70 is ready and waiting.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

Mid gen refreshes are lame since one of the main selling points of consoles was not needing to upgrade until the new gen. It should be on the developers to design games that run well on launch hardware, not on the consumers to fork out another $500+ so it runs smoothly.

 

[Gaelyon]

A gen is a gen, devs should learn to code and use the hardware as before, consoles are not PCs and should not require an entire new hardware just to keep up the framerate.

 

[Fake]

No lmao.

 

[SHA]

I'm not optimistic on other studios following the same path that they used to be and release their games in line with the current gen hardware nicely without caveat, even famous devs like mark cerny admits nothings changed , he said that in the ps5 demo presentation, it's not a secret that games aren't really better, therefore, we should skip midgen refreshes cause it's unnecessary.

 

[Nankatsu]

Why do you think the game launches 2025?

It's to give time for Sony and Microsoft to put out their pro versions on the market.

 

[Fbh]

Mid gen refreshes are lame since one of the main selling points of consoles was not needing to upgrade until the new gen. It should be on the developers to design games that run well on launch hardware, not on the consumers to fork out another $500+ so it runs smoothly.

But that was hardly ever the case. Specially with games that pushed impressive tech or scale.
Shadow of The Colossus ran at like 15 fps during fights
San Andreas ran in the mid to low 20's almost permanently on ps2
GTAV runs in the mid 20's for long stretches on the Ps3/360 (specially on the Ps3)
Even linear first party games like TLOU had plenty of framerate drops on ps3.
Not having pro consoles never guaranteed that games would run well, the only difference is that when a game ran poorly there was no alternative.


Meanwhile RDR2 came out when we did have Ps4 pro but it still ran and looked pretty good on the base Ps4. In fact aside from remasters it was probably the best running open world Rockstar game on any playstation, even on the base system. All the late Ps4 games also pretty well on the base Ps4: Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU2, Gow Ragnarok, AC Valhalla, etc. Having a pro console didn't make these games worse on base systems, it just gave you an option if you wanted some extra performance/resolution.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Yes but I've moved back to PC.

 

[sinnergy]

Rock Star won’t care .. they release with luck 1 GTA per generation

 

[Fredrik]

We need a new generation.

Or no PC delays.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Yes, give me a refresh but upgrade the cpu for gods sake sony.

 

[damidu]

hell yeah! bring it on!
people can cry "current gen hasnt started" all the way to 2030 (while playing games at 480p fsr-pixel soup, mind you)

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

i found the trailer unimpressive. too iterative from rdr2.

but a pro wont help that.
maybe if the game was built exclusively for the pro.

 

[checkcola]

I haven't played GTA games in along time, so its trailer has no impact on me either way. But on the subject of a refresh, in this economy, I think its a bad idea.

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

But that was hardly ever the case. Specially with games that pushed impressive tech or scale.
Shadow of The Colossus ran at like 15 fps during fights
San Andreas ran in the mid to low 20's almost permanently on ps2
GTAV runs in the mid 20's for long stretches on the Ps3/360 (specially on the Ps3)
Even linear first party games like TLOU had plenty of framerate drops on ps3.
Not having pro consoles never guaranteed that games would run well, the only difference is that when a game ran poorly there was no alternative.


Meanwhile RDR2 came out when we did have Ps4 pro but it still ran and looked pretty good on the base Ps4. In fact aside from remasters it was probably the best running open world Rockstar game on any playstation, even on the base system. All the late Ps4 games also pretty well on the base Ps4: Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU2, Gow Ragnarok, AC Valhalla, etc. Having a pro console didn't make these games worse on base systems, it just gave you an option if you wanted some extra performance/resolution.

I never said all games ran great before the pro system nonsense. Just that now you get a gimped version of these games if you don't buy an expensive mid-gen upgrade while before you got the intended experience.

 

[SolidQ]

It all depends on CPU requirements.

PS5 pro should move to zen3 cores

It's have slightly clocked Zen2. So if PS5 30fps, then PS5 pro will have same 30fps, unless game Gpu bound

 

[twilo99]

It's have slightly clocked Zen2. So if PS5 30fps, then PS5 pro will have same 30fps, unless game Gpu bound

The slight clock Zen2 isn't confirmed yet, so there is hope

 

[M1chl]

YES

Consoles are 3 years old, which is forever in IT

 

[Celcius]

Yes. Day one on ps5 pro.

 

[Banjo64]

You’ll get 60fps on console with GTA VI definitive edition (PS6). I’m not joking. The good news is that’ll hopefully only be 2027, 2 years after launch.

 

[Caio]

Yes, and I'm buying a PS5 PRO for TLOU Part I Remake, Part II Remaster, probably Part III, GTAVI, Wolverine, and all the most demanding Exclusive and multiplatform games.

 

[NickFire]

Yes I want a pro. Not necessarily because of this trailer though.

 

[NightmareFarm]

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

No and not buying any more mid gen refreshes after how awful the PS4 Pro was.