Nintendo still doesn't care to do VA, though.
And if I were to do a top-5 N64 soundtracks, Rare wouldn't make the list once (and I like Banjo Kazooie's OST).
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Nintendo were often quite envious of us, says former Rare staffer
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Nintendo still doesn't care to do VA, though.
And if I were to do a top-5 N64 soundtracks, Rare wouldn't make the list once (and I like Banjo Kazooie's OST).
Diddy Kong racing is the best kart racer to date
I think their shooters look pretty bad while the Banjo games, DK64 and Conker still look fantastic
Roland1979
Junior Member
Graphically, yes (Donkey Kong series and Killer Instinct where REALLY pushing the limits). But artistically and especially gameplay wise? Not necessarily.
Well we had some awesome games from both, as it worked out. DKC2 not only looks great but is an awesome platformer in its own right. Their N64 games were graphically amazing at the time but are a bit of a struggle to play now with the extremely poor frame rates most have. Nintendo's own games did better on that front I feel.
Yup, those particular games still hold up today. I'd say their shooters are pretty much outdated at this point.
1) Goldeneye generation jumped ship to Halo.
2) Two successful competitors instead of one.
3) No Super Mario 64 equivalent at launch?
I don't want to discount the rest of Rare's catalog, but when it came to selling systems - there was Goldeneye and the rest were just sort of along for Nintendo's ride.
I did say it was a combined effort, also the quality of the Mario and Zelda games were not the same as the N64 versions which would not have help word of mouth.
I wasn't arguing sound in an artistic sense, I was talking about the technical quality of it. Regardless of compositions, the music and sound effects were of a higher quality in Rare games.
MemoryHumanity
Member
I know Mr. Tossell irl. Good guy and a huge Nintendo fan. He's not too fond of Microsoft these days. In fact, he even went as far as to say he 'despises' them when I was talking to him once.
He's working on Tengami for iOS/Wii U right now. Gorgeous game.
He's working on Tengami for iOS/Wii U right now. Gorgeous game.
I don't know much about the technical quality, I assumed both were very compressed, MIDI heavy.
To an untrained ear, I don't hear a significant difference in audio quality.
So? Just because Goldeneye has aged badly doesn't mean it wasn't a phenomenal game back in the day.
Metallix87
Member
Honestly, one of the biggest mistakes made by Nintendo and Rare was not pushing Perfect Dark back to be a super-polished Gamecube launch title.
Until the picture starts moving, you mean. DK64's framerate in particular is so bad that I think it's hard to stomach these days.
I agree with you that thanks to GE, FPS flourished on N64 but citing games that came out (and were successful) before GE was released is a bit stupid.
I agree, every kart racer needs an adventure mode with an exploreable world and frogs you can run over and lighthouses you can blast in to space!
Still can't believe I unlockedd T.T in the game, that was a challenge!
Sir_Crocodile
Member
You're not wrong.
I could probably believe the comment about EAD changing all the textures in Ocarina of Time. There is a very clear difference between how that game looked in screenshots and videos from 1996 when it looked more like Mario 64, and how it looked in 1997 and 1998 when all the art looked much more detailed. It was like two different versions of the game really. Maybe it was a coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised if Miyamoto seeing Banjo had at least a slight effect.
To be fair, I have to point out that DOOM 64 and Turok 1 both pre-dated GoldenEye by a few months. GoldenEye may have really opened the door for shooters on consoles, but other developers were attempting them on N64 regardless. Edit: Beaten.
Still, Rare probably did make a lot of the most important games on the N64. Not to downplay the impact of genre-defining titles like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time.
To be fair, I have to point out that DOOM 64 and Turok 1 both pre-dated GoldenEye by a few months. GoldenEye may have really opened the door for shooters on consoles, but other developers were attempting them on N64 regardless. Edit: Beaten.
Still, Rare probably did make a lot of the most important games on the N64. Not to downplay the impact of genre-defining titles like Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time.
sixteen-bit
Member
DKC2 was really great, and I'm sure Miyamoto were envious of the DKC sales worldwide. Even in Japan it sold better than other Nintendo titles.
Diddy Kong Racing has aged a lot.
Played any of those recently? I'm playing through both Banjo Kazooie and OOT right now on my RGB modded N64, and just as I thought back in 1998, BK is superior in framerate (oot is sub 20fps, 15fps in pal land), textures and models. Here's some shots from my CRT to compare:
OOT by comparison has a much, much weaker main character model, poorer textures, lower resolution and a blurry drab image:
I can completely see why they were impressed by Banjo. It's vibrant, beautifully textured and one of the few N64 games to hold up well today.
He and all Rare/Nintendo fans despise MS....heck at this point MS probably despises MS...
Manmademan
Member
Its mostly number 1. Nintendo didn't make FPS games, but rare could. Both goldeneye and PD were
Blockbusters.
The Xbox wasn't successful. At all. Halo was, but 20 million consoles sold (with virtually none in Japan) is not successful.
Rare has 3 or 4 of the top ten best selling games for the platform, but that's not as important as the fact that Nintendo was only putting out 1 to 2 games per year for the N64, half of which were Rares games, if not more. Lose rare and Nintendo has 1 first party game per year for the N64, if that.
Half the reason first party GC games were poor in comparison to N64 as they were was because Nintendo had to crank out games far faster, because rare wasn't there.
Chris23235
Banned
On a technical level Rare was ok, but they never came close to what Factor5 did on the N64.
AlteredForms
Banned
Rare games were highly rated and often dominated the 9 section of most game review sites. It's only natural Nintendo has the best selling games, did you expect them not to package their products with the consoles?
What was there to be envious of? Nintendo's games sold better. Rare took Nintendo templates and made flattering lover letters to them. Nintendo clearly had some positive impact on Rare, as it was all downhill once they got sold.
I love some of those Rare classics, but someone else's product can inspire some reworking of their own product without envy being a factor.
I love some of those Rare classics, but someone else's product can inspire some reworking of their own product without envy being a factor.
Chris23235
Banned
Nintendo sold a lot of N64s bundled with the Star Wars Racer and because Rare was owned by Nintendo the Rare games were Nintendo games.
Actually if it wasn't for Jet Force Gemini clunky control Metroid Prime would never been in first person.
I see this brought up so many time,
Can someone tell me what exactly made Diddy Kong Racing so good?
Personally I think that Conker hasn't aged well as that game is very story driven and gives very little option to replay it.
Not really, Nintendo doesn't want to buy a studio and then have the talented people leaving, which was happening to Rare prior to Nintendo selling them off.
I think that they would much rather hire a studio to work on a game like they did with Next Level and Platinum studio.
The controls were fluid, the races had a lot of dynamics, different types of races with different controls, an actual overworld, characters were kinda fun, had some challenge to it, and was gorgeous.
Zomba13
Member
Traumnovelle
Member
:guffaw:
Rare was a big supporter for N64 for sure but don't say silly things.
Nintendo, Rare and a few other third parties (Lucasarts, Acclaim,Midway, THQ etc.) is what gained N64 the second spot.
Super Mario 64 N64 11.91
Mario Kart 64 N64 9.87
GoldenEye 007 N64 8.09
The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time N64 7.60
Super Smash Bros N64 5.55
Pokemon Stadium N64 5.46
Donkey Kong 64 N64 5.27
Diddy Kong Racing N64 4.88
Starfox 64 N64 4.00
Banjo-Kazooie N64 3.65
Pokemon Snap N64 3.63
The Legend Of Zelda: Majora's Mask N64 3.36
Star Wars Episode 1: Racer N64 3.10
Wave Race 64 N64 2.94
Mario Party N64 2.70
Star Wars: Shadown Of The Empire N64 2.60
Pokemon Stadium 2 N64 2.54
Perfect Dark N64 2.52
Mario Party 2 N64 2.48
Mario Tennis 64 N64 2.32
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron N64 2.17
1080 Snowboarding N64 2.03
Mario Party 3 N64 1.91
Kirby 64 N64 1.77
Cruisin USA N64 1.72
F1 World Grand Prix N64 1.60
Banjo-Tooie N64 1.49
Mario Golf 64 N64 1.47
Paper Mario N64 1.37
Jet Force Gemini N64 1.16
Pilotwings 64 N64 1.12
F-Zero X N64 1.10
Is this how Sony's other first party studios feel about Naughty Dog?
If they don't, they should.
Betta Lines
Member
The Star Wars stuff was good, but compare Indy with Conker... Rare wins easily.
Polioliolio
Member
Banjo still looks great to this day, imho.
Even as a kid I felt Ocarina of time looked a little blurry and unattractive.
Great game, of course, but...
Manmademan
Member
Is this how Sony's other first party studios feel about Naughty Dog?
It's good Rare made Nintendo work harder, but their attitudes towards them wasn't very good.
Naughty dog is Sony's best studio, but they would be fine without them. The N64 had abysmal third party support, possibly the worst of all time next to the wiiu.
They needed Rares games more than Sony needed naughty dog.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Both Banjo Kazooie and Zelda 64 run on the Mario 64 engine.
As someone who has worked on disassembly of both engines, there are slight similarities but all together, not as such.
Heavily modified beyond all recognition.
Metallix87
Member
Nintendo should track down all the talented ex-Rare staff they can and form a new studio for them to make Wii U games and content.
BadlyCookedTurkey
Member
I did prefer Rare's N64 games over Nintendo's. But to say they were envious is just stupid.