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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)

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I swear, I was having lunch with my friend last week, talking about how great Arrow is, how disappointing Agents of Shield is, and I said "Why the hell doesn't Marvel make an Iron Fist tv show?"

Netflix getting this is great news, I hope they go the more mature route.
 

Nesotenso

Member
A show based on Fearless Defenders would be soooooo fucking dope.

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terrible comic.

come on people, Iron Fist MOVIE !!!!!!!!

Can no one else see this ?
 
Smooth move
. Could have potential for a great crossover. Maybe could have a SHIELD episode where they got to Hell's kitchen to investigate daredevil as to see if he is a "super" or not only to find out that he is but, they end up giving him a pass or something.
A lot of potential with this news.

I hope this wakes WB up in regards to their tv and movie productions. Arrow is killing it right now and they should look to other characters they can use on other streaming media platforms. I would love to see an Animal Man show based on it's current run.
 

pulga

Banned
Holy fucking shit.

Holy

Fucking

Shit

DAREDEVIL TV SHOW YES

His current run in comics is one of the greatest ever
 

Decado

Member
This is awesome. I'm mainly interested in Daredevil. Too bad it's probably going to be gory. :(

Wut? More likely the opposite. Disney Marvel will make it as pansy ass as can be. For that reason alone I probably won't bother with it.
 

Blader

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Wut? More likely the opposite. Disney Marvel will make it as pansy ass as can be. For that reason alone I probably won't bother with it.

Feige said these were properties that lean a little darker and grittier than their movies do, which is why they picked them: a) for TV, and b) for Netflix. He even cited the Punisher movies and The Walking Dead as comparable examples.

It's not going to be hard-R shit and probably won't reach the levels of House of Cards and Orange is the New Black either, but I totally expect these to be darker than the movies or Agents of SHIELD.
 

iamblades

Member
Yeah, I'm way more concerned with who they're getting to showrun. 4 shows, 13 episodes each, all linked, culminating in probably a 5 episode miniseries?

We need to know who's going to be steering the ship before we start loading it up with actors.

(Thomas Jane isn't going to be Punisher. I don't think Marvel wants to tie any of their new stuff back to their old shit, especially old shit that didn't hit)

While I don't doubt that this is accurate to what a studio's thought process would be in that situation, it is also why movie studios are fucking stupid. Jane was and remains the best choice to play the character, he has the right look, the right physicality, the right balance between being charming while being a complete psychopath, and he wasn't really responsible for any of what was wrong with the first film, but yet he is completely off limits for a completely separate project in a different medium with a different creative team?
 

Ithil

Member
I may be wrong, but I don't think it started this way. Iirc (but I may be recalling it wrong), it was the success of the Iron Man 1 movie that made them try to make this a continuity. My guess is that when they reboot everything, they'll start right of the bat with a multi-character movie and really push the notion that all of these happen in the same universe, beyond cameos and references.

But this is just me trying to guess stuff.

Edit: Well, apparenyl I was wrong and they did start the idea of the continuity with Iron Man 1. Sorry. :(

On the same summer as Iron Man's release, Tony Stark appeared the The Incredible Hulk. They definitely did not want to start out with a multi-character movie, it was intentional to introduce most of the heroes with solo films first. Trying to introduce a whole team of superheros in a 2 hour films would be a disaster.
 

odiin

My Apartment, or the 120 Screenings of Salo
The MCU movies may vary in quality, but every one of them is at least decent and enjoyable, and a lot of that is thanks to Kevin Feige's influence and leadership. Problem is he's doesn't only does the movies, he doesn't run the TV department. Jeph Loeb does. Loeb was good in his time but he's an absolute hack these days yet every MCU tv show will be going through him. Feige gave us Iron Man, Loeb gave us Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

...I hope to god they pick some incredible showrunners who really know what they're doing.

By the way, does anyone know who owns the film rights to the golden age Human Torch? His costume appeared in the first Cap movie but I'm wondering if they could use the character itself, if Fox owns him, or if it's a more complicated situation like the Quicksilver thing.
 

TDLink

Member
Super excited about the potential in all of these. I also want to note that The Defenders mini series, while being a culmination of the 4 full series, could potentially still feature other characters. Hawkeye didn't get his own movie before Avengers, they could have a similar character in this situation. Also, I could totally see some of the movie guys being down to do a quick 5-8 episode series on Netflix like The Defenders. Chris Evans has definitely expressed interest in being on TV before (he said he would be down to do an episode on Agents of SHIELD). Seeing as Defenders would come out in 2016 or later I also could easily see them tossing in Dr. Strange or Ant-Man as their movies will be out already. We'll see I guess.


By the way, does anyone know who owns the film rights to the golden age Human Torch? His costume appeared in the first Cap movie but I'm wondering if they could use the character itself, if Fox owns him, or if it's a more complicated situation like the Quicksilver thing.

Marvel does but they can't call him Human Torch. FOX specifically has the rights to Johnny Storm/Human Torch...but not THAT Human Torch. Similarly Sony specifically has the rights to Peter Parker/Spider Man, but Marvel could use Miles Morales if they wanted and call him something other than Spider Man.
 
Could be awesome, but what are the chances these will be any good?

Extremely low going by that boring ass shield program

Abc dropped the ball hard. Freaking CW is putting them to shame with their superhero show

I hope daredevil is good though and doesn't look as cheap as shield.
 

Blader

Member
Chris Evans has definitely expressed interest in being on TV before (he said he would be down to do an episode on Agents of SHIELD).

I really only think Evans wants to do it so he could knock one off his contract with only a fraction of the time investment that a movie would require. :lol
 

BLACKLAC

Member
I don't think A.O.S has any barring on the potential quality of these announced shows.

I was excited for A.O.S at first... until I saw it was on ABC. After that it was just hoping it wouldn't suck too hard.
 

TDLink

Member
I really only think Evans wants to do it so he could knock one off his contract with only a fraction of the time investment that a movie would require. :lol

I could be wrong but I don't think it works like that. I am pretty sure the original contracts they signed all specifically stated a number of film appearances. Appearing on a TV show either on an actual channel or Netflix wouldn't be part of that, I think. It would have to be a separate contract. Unless Marvel has some sort of system in place where a certain amount of episodes = a film...but I don't think they do. For example, I don't think Sam Jackson's appearance on A.o.S. counts for his 9 pictures.
 
Really exciting news. Obviously it remains to be seen what sort of talent will be working on these shows, but I'm excited by the possibilities, and I think Daredevil in particular is really suited to the format.

Hopefully these all turn out great.
 
Got Damn YES!!! Guess i'll be staying subbed to Netflix for a few years at least.

Hoping to see even more, give me: Moon fucking Knight, Doc Strange, Black Panther, Hulk, Frank Castle.


MORE!!!



.
 

odiin

My Apartment, or the 120 Screenings of Salo
Got Damn YES!!! Guess i'll be staying subbed to Netflix for a few years at least.

Hoping to see even more, give me: Moon fucking Knight, Doc Strange, Black Panther, Hulk, Frank Castle.


MORE!!!



.

Dr. Strange is definitely getting his own movie most likely in 2016 but we won't know for sure until they announce their 2016/2017 slate. There's been a bunch of rumors about Panther. At one point they were trying to get a one-shot off the ground but that fell through and there's been rumors about him appearing age of ultron but who knows. Hulk is probably like 90% a lock for another solo movie and the Punisher I'm assuming will be part of the whole Defenders mini-verse thing.


I really want to hear your justification of The Punisher being more than a serial killer.

Come on, man. You have the right to not like the character but don't play that stupid game. The answers are there written in ink for all to see whether you want to except that or not, and since when does being a serial killer preclude a character from being interesting anyway? There have been plenty of movies, books and TV shows about serial killers over the years.
 
I really want to hear your justification of The Punisher being more than a serial killer.

He is the epitome of will, vengeance, and destruction.

In a world of superheroes, villains, cosmic entities from beyond the universe, and fucking magic, he's nothing more than a man with a sheer, maniacal desire to punish the wicked however he possibly can. He's just a guy who does what heroes can't, who lives squarely in the grey, if not outright black. He has no powers, no super abilities beyond having a tactical mind and the ability to take on any pain and keep moving. He's like the Xenomorph or Jaws... pure. He is a man that has suffered immense loss turned himself into a force of nature as a result of it.

I guarantee you, there are some interpretations where he's seen as nothing more as a serial killer. A combat junkie addicted to violence and death who uses his family's death as an excuse to fuel his inherent madness. That's pretty much the MAX series (and Garth Ennis' interpretation), which is one of the greatest crime comics of all time. But you know what? That's interesting. There's a tension between him being a full-out killer or maniac and him being vaguely heroic (even if he's not being heroic most of the time). He's an eternal soldier, fighting a war he knows he'll lose. There is no end to crime. But he fights anyway. The reasoning changes or is up to the reader for interpretation. Does he genuinely believe he's making a difference? Is he simply giving himself a purpose to keep on living? Is he seeking death? Does he revel in murder? Answers change depending on your interpretation or what the different writers present. But I find him genuinely fascinating. He also makes for a great read. I hate when supervillains come back and back and back and never truly die. There are no consequences. Most of the time, in Frank's stories... there are consequences. I like that. It's not really a problem in the Cinematic Universe, I know that. But I'm just saying.

I think just calling him a serial killer is just... too easy. Him being a serial killer is a totally valid interpretation. He lives in a world of carnage and death. He doesn't care about the law or due process. He has a mission. He will complete it. Is he genuinely insane? Or does he know what he's doing and accepts it? Is his morality completely alien to most people's? Not really... he's the dark side of the human heart. The part of your heart that craves vengeance, not justice. He's the perfect antithesis to a character like Daredevil. He has moments of villainy and heroism. This is what makes him so interesting. Cause he's right. If you don't put the villains in the ground, in comics... they always come back to haunt the hero. So it's a good thing that he's not a hero.

Tune in February 2014 to see Frank's new ongoing series where he heads out west to LA! It's gonna be killer.

The-Punisher-Mitch-Gerads-Teaser-610x925.jpg


I dunno, that's my justification. It comes off as a rant, I know. But I really love the character.
 
I was at the bottom of the page, so repost:

I really want to hear your justification of The Punisher being more than a serial killer.

He is the epitome of will, vengeance, and destruction.

In a world of superheroes, villains, cosmic entities from beyond the universe, and fucking magic, he's nothing more than a man with a sheer, maniacal desire to punish the wicked however he possibly can. He's just a guy who does what heroes can't, who lives squarely in the grey, if not outright black. He has no powers, no super abilities beyond having a tactical mind and the ability to take on any pain and keep moving. He's like the Xenomorph or Jaws... pure. He is a man that has suffered immense loss turned himself into a force of nature as a result of it.

I guarantee you, there are some interpretations where he's seen as nothing more as a serial killer. A combat junkie addicted to violence and death who uses his family's death as an excuse to fuel his inherent madness. That's pretty much the MAX series (and Garth Ennis' interpretation), which is one of the greatest crime comics of all time. But you know what? That's interesting. There's a tension between him being a full-out killer or maniac and him being vaguely heroic (even if he's not being heroic most of the time). He's an eternal soldier, fighting a war he knows he'll lose. There is no end to crime. But he fights anyway. The reasoning changes or is up to the reader for interpretation. Does he genuinely believe he's making a difference? Is he simply giving himself a purpose to keep on living? Is he seeking death? Does he revel in murder? Answers change depending on your interpretation or what the different writers present. But I find him genuinely fascinating. He also makes for a great read. I hate when supervillains come back and back and back and never truly die. There are no consequences. Most of the time, in Frank's stories... there are consequences. I like that. It's not really a problem in the Cinematic Universe, I know that. But I'm just saying.

I think just calling him a serial killer is just... too easy. Him being a serial killer is a totally valid interpretation. He lives in a world of carnage and death. He doesn't care about the law or due process. He has a mission. He will complete it. Is he genuinely insane? Or does he know what he's doing and accepts it? Is his morality completely alien to most people's? Not really... he's the dark side of the human heart. The part of your heart that craves vengeance, not justice. He's the perfect antithesis to a character like Daredevil. He has moments of villainy and heroism. This is what makes him so interesting. Cause he's right. If you don't put the villains in the ground, in comics... they always come back to haunt the hero. So it's a good thing that he's not a hero.

Tune in February 2014 to see Frank's new ongoing series where he heads out west to LA! It's gonna be killer.

The-Punisher-Mitch-Gerads-Teaser-610x925.jpg


I dunno, that's my justification. It comes off as a rant, I know. But I really love the character.
 

odiin

My Apartment, or the 120 Screenings of Salo
True talk: Garth Ennis' run on the Punisher was the first book to show me that comics could tell stories that were more compelling than just a bunch of dudes in spandex punching that shit out of each other*. It eventually lead me to some of my very favorite comics of all time like Preacher, Sandman, Scalped and Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing.

*Not that there's anything wrong with dudes in spandex punching each other either.
 
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