Betrayer of hope
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If you cant get 60fps on your flagship game then you deserve to be laughed out of court
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Killzone Shadow Fall (PS4) announced, launch title [1080p/30fps]
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IcyRhythms
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Absolutely
-Pyromaniac-
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They can. They don't want to. There's a difference. ANY developer can. They are consciously choosing not to.
BigTnaples
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This. Anyone who says otherwise has nothing but ignorance regarding tech and game development.
Perfect Dark Zero, Gears of War, Resistance, Twilight Princess, Halo:CE, Rogue Leader, Final Fantasy X...
BrainZEROX
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Most probably but I don't think 4 additional GB of memory will enable the jump to 60 fps. 1080p 30 fps could just be a tradeoff in order to be sure the game will be ready for launch. The game looks fantastic for a launch game.
When Jimmy saw the game for the first time, I had the feeling he wasn't "shocked" by the graphics to say the least. If you watch it again, he doesn't seem too impressed. That's why there is a small pause after which he stutters "a aa there is a lot of ram in it, right?"
Can you play Killzone with the move controller? I mean, the graphics are pretty, but when I see that archaic, slow ass dual analog movement...
Can you play Killzone with the move controller? I mean, the graphics are pretty, but when I see that archaic, slow ass dual analog movement...
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Yup, i agree.
1080p is a waste of recources if you ask me. It only brings something to the table if you are sitting very near the screen, but on distance 720p is looking almost the same.
The cost-benefit ratio isn`t it really worth and they should better invest the power for a higher framerate or better overall graphics.
Always-honest
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They choose to focus on other stuff.. Like they did before.
LabouredSubterfuge
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FairXchange
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There will be other games that are 60fps, it truly isn't a problem if this game isn't. Not sure why people obsess over this, obviously 60fps is great but there really is so many other things happening in a game. I wonder if we had 60fps standard, would we obsess over 4xAA or some other technical standard?
ALBOFIGHTER
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The new art direction is kill zone looks amazing. We already have 3 kill zone games with gritty graphics so why not change it up a little. The only thing that disappoints me is 30 fps. I'm not sure of that's a deal breaker. It's also sad that an exclusive baseline is 30 fps cause that usually means more compromises down the road as the consoles mature. This is what I was most afraid of for next gen.
I'll wait for reviews and compare to other shooters that will come out on launch then I'll decide
I also hope they make the main character more unique/cool. He kinda looks like your average joe with a helmet. The other kz games had good main characters.
I'll wait for reviews and compare to other shooters that will come out on launch then I'll decide
I also hope they make the main character more unique/cool. He kinda looks like your average joe with a helmet. The other kz games had good main characters.
BigTnaples
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Pestilence11
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This. It's a launch game, imagine 1 or 2 yrs in.
Chuck Norris
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It doesn't work like that. PS4 probably doesn't break a sweat achieving 1080p with its massive bandwidth, getting 60 FPS though would mean dropping detail.
velociraptor
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On the Crysis 3 MP Beta, when I ran it at very high at 1080p, I got 30FPS. When I ran it at high, I got 60FPS. There was barely any difference. If there was, I certainly didn't notice it. My GPU is a 6950 (weaker than the 7850, which is apparently the PS3's GPU). Surely there must be a work around?
JCreasy
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It's an unfinished launch game, probably pre-alpha.
They've got mile to go and even further opportunity for polish.
THIS as a rough 1st pass is phenomenal.
Pestilence11
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Yeah I should've included that too. It's still 8 months approx. before it goes gold and for it to look that good is pretty amazing imo.
BigTnaples
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The difference is more noticeable in multi.
I too am running a 6950(Unlocked shaders, stock speeds), is the PS4 really supposed to have a tweaked 7850? If so that's incredible, as my 6950 2GB runs everything on the market maxed out at 1080p. Not always at 60 FPS, sometimes 30, but still.
Planetside 2, TW2, Crysis 2+Maldo, Skyrim Heavily Modded, Metro 2033, Batman Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, etc.
If the PS4 truly has a faster and more capable GPU with 8GB of ram to boot, in a closed system, the PS4 is a damned powerhouse. I feel like I have missed something?
SunhiLegend
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It's the developers choice whether to target 60fps or not.
Any system can do 60fps, GT6 is pretty much guaranteed to run at 60fps 1080p, and that's because PD have made it a priority since the PS2 to have all their games running in that framerate.
You can give GG's all the power in the world and they'll still probably lock the game at 30fps.
Oh awesome. o.o Thanks! It does mention an attack too...
So curious about the actual story line now. Maybe it was really the guy from
KZ3's after credits ending
is this a joke? you'll be laughing on generations of games
1080p/30 locked is great! Not every game HAS to be 60fps
Unknown One
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If you're expecting 30 fps to the norm the developers will just laugh in general.
UnluckyKate
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I think that was Stahl.
Now what if the Black Hand leader was... his vengefull son that saw his father deported and parked in a gettho, falling from a general and industrial leader to die on desease in misery, growing every day a bit more hate and anger against these bloody vektan oppressors...
Domcorleone
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I always wondered why people would say "oh its Killzone, who cares". As if the games are notably average or bad when the general consensus sales wise and reviews wise it is clear that it must have something going for it. Both games have sold about 2.5 million copies and have reviewed fairly well (Killzone 2 -91, Killzone 3-84).
Aside from COD, Bioshock, Halo, Crysis and Battlefield. How many FPS are reviewing that well and sell as much? I just names 5 games out of dozens that have come out this past generation. Also aside from Bioshock, Halo and Fear, what shooters are really breaking new ground or doing revolutionary stuff? The multiplayer in Killzone is one of a kind IMO.
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The demo looked great and next gen to me, now I just want to see what new gameplay elements they bring. Until then Ill reserve judgement for saying its the "same ole corridor shooter"
Aside from COD, Bioshock, Halo, Crysis and Battlefield. How many FPS are reviewing that well and sell as much? I just names 5 games out of dozens that have come out this past generation. Also aside from Bioshock, Halo and Fear, what shooters are really breaking new ground or doing revolutionary stuff? The multiplayer in Killzone is one of a kind IMO.
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The demo looked great and next gen to me, now I just want to see what new gameplay elements they bring. Until then Ill reserve judgement for saying its the "same ole corridor shooter"
Betta Lines
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If you don't think 1080p makes a significant difference you're a) sitting too far away, b) have display that is too small, c) experiencing vision problems.
I think they should cater to the gamer who has the right kit and is sitting in the right place.
velociraptor
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cue comments about generic killzone is, how it's scripted, how it's linear, how it's boring etc.
And yes, you're right. Killzone 2's class based multiplayer was revolutionary. Dynamic objectives in my MP game? Amazing. Too bad GG botched KZ3's MP.
Seventy_X_Seven
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No but Killzone is boring generic typical corridor shooter!!!
UnluckyKate
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With awesome industrial, inspired yet credible design
With amazing art direction
With guns that have, actually recoil*
With a real sens of weight and proximity as the story follow a soldier from his point of view and not goes all over the place because (fuck you continuity) and tell a more personnal tale of a conflict**
*may not apply to KZ3 but let's not say it too loud
** may or may not be an indication that writting isn't amazing but at least it feels somewhat credible and enjoyable because easier to follow
I enjoy CoD sp (BFBC2 and BF3 were jokes) but they get old. Killzone have amazing SP.
Saberus
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LoL.. you guys.. and if they would of gone 720p/60fps.. then there would of been just as many people bitching that they are not 1080p.. wtf.. that's not nextgen??
They really can't win with certain people.
Seventy_X_Seven
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In regarrds to the ** point, I agree. A lot of people bash Killzone for it's story but it's actually quite good, you just have to read it on their website since the game tells a more personal story from a soldier's point of view. Not saying that it is in anyway ideal for the gamer to have to read the story in a different medium to really understand what's going on, but it is there.
UnluckyKate
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exactly. Sure, the narration and the writting in KZ aren't revolutionary but they are a way of doing it. For the matter, a war (a not a series of spec ops with 5 characters all around the world) it's doing it's job. It's not perfect, but already better than so many shooters (and other games) out there.
I disagree on the guy being Stahl.
Stahl seemed to have died in the explosion really...I don't think he survived it.
As for his son..that's a possibility, but remember that Stahl was responsible for technology and weapons more so than leading people.
AgentChris
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Why does a dev have to choose 30fps or 60fps? Why not go 40fps or is that not an option?
They should go 40 and lock it to 30 so that under the largest level with the most objects and AI etc with everyone firing at max speed and you running it only drops down to 30 from 35-40+.
It's a good question btw. I think they like to go at the limit to make the maximum benefit either end of 30-60.
UnluckyKate
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He was. But let's not forget he was a general and also, in the race to take Viscari's place. So... To run Helghan. And that is a leadership position. Industrialous magnates often end in political position. especially in military autocracies.
onken
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It looks cool and I'll probably get it but it definitely looks a lot more "generic space shooter" than the unique gritty look of the earlier KZ games. Only seen the first level though so hard to judge.
Also my TV is small and shitty so I would have preferred 720/60 for selfish reasons but I don't they would lived it down if they'd announced their brand-new console with a 720p game.
Also my TV is small and shitty so I would have preferred 720/60 for selfish reasons but I don't they would lived it down if they'd announced their brand-new console with a 720p game.
Lion Heart
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One thing to consider is that KZ2 wasn't revealed until 2007 and didn't release until 2009, 2.5 years after PS3 released. This launch game is already looking fantastic a year before PS4 launches and we haven't seen anything yet.
Thats what I'm loving about Sony so far and the next gen in general. To me it doesn't feel like the developers have to kill themselves to achieve their vision. Sure the PS3 achieved great results but now they can do it much more efficiently and that gives me great hopes for the this generation.
Thats what I'm loving about Sony so far and the next gen in general. To me it doesn't feel like the developers have to kill themselves to achieve their vision. Sure the PS3 achieved great results but now they can do it much more efficiently and that gives me great hopes for the this generation.
The Jason
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Yeah 720p games look horrible on my 1080p tv. So I have waited a whole generation for 1080
Thank you. Just saw the 1080P feed off YT but still looks like crap. I cant wait to actually play this in person. So many details are lost on a streaming file. I wish you could download an MP4 file off Sony servers to get the full detail.
LiquidMetal14
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Yeah right. I will take 1080p at 30fps anytime over 60fps 720p.
the coolest thing i noticed was that it wasn't really a corridor* shooter like current gen shooters. i noticed a lot of sprinting through big open areas for fire fights....
maybe i am looking into too much.. but i think the scale may have been underplayed once he started playing
maybe i am looking into too much.. but i think the scale may have been underplayed once he started playing
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