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Killzone on PS3. Killzone: Shadow Fall. A quick comparison
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Put some screens of Super Mario 1 next to screens of Super Mario 3 and the jump looks bigger.
Real talk.
BadAss2961
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I often see Chrome users having problems with certain gifs. I use Firefox, and everything loads fine.
SneakyStephan
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This thread is going to get shat on by image quality discussions (which are moot since the killzone 4 shots are the downsampled bullshots and some of the 3 shots are also bullshots).
1080p no AA is going to look better than 720p no AA, I hope we can just leave it at that....
Ignoring image quality: the increase in amount of geometry on screen is insane, much better than I expected.
The smoke looks brilliant as well in the kz4 video (it's not the target render from 2005 quality smoke but it's impressive still) and the lighting and shadows are of much better quality.
I think the increase in polygon count and draw distance (one and the same thing basically) is the biggest visual difference though.
Can't wait for next gen to start to pc ports can finally not get boxy 2005 hardware backgrounds and buildings anymore.
Just look at the flyby gif of killzone on ps3.... command and conquer generals called, it wants its buildings back.
1080p no AA is going to look better than 720p no AA, I hope we can just leave it at that....
Ignoring image quality: the increase in amount of geometry on screen is insane, much better than I expected.
The smoke looks brilliant as well in the kz4 video (it's not the target render from 2005 quality smoke but it's impressive still) and the lighting and shadows are of much better quality.
I think the increase in polygon count and draw distance (one and the same thing basically) is the biggest visual difference though.
Can't wait for next gen to start to pc ports can finally not get boxy 2005 hardware backgrounds and buildings anymore.
Just look at the flyby gif of killzone on ps3.... command and conquer generals called, it wants its buildings back.
nelsonroyale
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How about Bruce Lee next to Chucky Egg?
gundamkyoukai
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The jump is fairly big but we should do this when KZSF comes out .
Wrong thread pal. Nobody is downplaying the new killzones technical prowess. This thread is about whether people see a significant difference inside the franchise. Assets and art style play a big role in this.
It's a launch title, what do people expect. The jump from Resistance: FoM to Killzone 3 is huge. You could see the PS2 influence in Resistance, and you can see the PS3 influence in Killzone SF. Once we get deeper into the PS4's lifespan we'll see the a distinct gap between the PS3 and PS4.
Goldrusher
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SneakyStephan
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The difference is massive....
Look at this dinky ass mickey mouse shit from kz2 linked before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLIYSjWS50&t=3m24s
GG should have just replaced the blue orb in the plaza in the kz4 demo with the beach approach scene from that video scaled down to maquette size for the lulz.
Look at this dinky ass mickey mouse shit from kz2 linked before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjLIYSjWS50&t=3m24s
GG should have just replaced the blue orb in the plaza in the kz4 demo with the beach approach scene from that video scaled down to maquette size for the lulz.
whatevermort
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Yup. Not saying it wasn't real, but until it's running on my hardware in my house, I take all this stuff with a bucketload of albeit-fairly-impressive salt.
Diminishing returns.
Those that are less invested and less knowledgeable about a subject matter will percieve less difference.
If there will be a very noticeable difference this gen, it'll primarily be in the form of physics based motion, animation and particles.
Destroying materials will look convincing. Metal will twist, bend and rip convincingly. Hair and cloth will be well animated, and special effects such as smoke, fire and liquids will flow around objects in a convincing fashion as well.
Absent of those elements in a scene, we might think; well, this looks like it could almost be done last gen, but at a lower frame rate and resolution.
Which unfortunately for the lay person isn't that important.
Those that are less invested and less knowledgeable about a subject matter will percieve less difference.
If there will be a very noticeable difference this gen, it'll primarily be in the form of physics based motion, animation and particles.
Destroying materials will look convincing. Metal will twist, bend and rip convincingly. Hair and cloth will be well animated, and special effects such as smoke, fire and liquids will flow around objects in a convincing fashion as well.
Absent of those elements in a scene, we might think; well, this looks like it could almost be done last gen, but at a lower frame rate and resolution.
Which unfortunately for the lay person isn't that important.
Beermeister
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Killzone: Shadow Fall... alpha build.
/thread.
/thread.
I'd bet anything that it wasn't running on actual Ps4 hardware.
Alpha and it's due out in less than 10 months.
Yes, of course.
casablanca
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KILLZONE SF looks glorious.
LOL@ i can't see the difference on my smartphone.
LOL@ i can't see the difference on my smartphone.
It really doesn't help that the color palletes are so different. The fact that the resolution is higher in one makes it more difficult as well. I think if people saw KZ 3 rendered in 1080p it'd be even harder. (sorry stephan)
Downsampling also does amazing things imo. I've been stuck on a 1360x768 tv lately, but when I downsample from 2040x1152 or 2720x1536, I tend to forget all about the shitty native resolution of the tv.
It's also natural, the more you look at something, the more accustomed you get to it. I was shtting myself this afternoon playing C3 for the first time maxed out, but the second time I played it's not quite so mind blowing. The cityscape in KZ4 is truly amazing though.
Downsampling also does amazing things imo. I've been stuck on a 1360x768 tv lately, but when I downsample from 2040x1152 or 2720x1536, I tend to forget all about the shitty native resolution of the tv.
It's also natural, the more you look at something, the more accustomed you get to it. I was shtting myself this afternoon playing C3 for the first time maxed out, but the second time I played it's not quite so mind blowing. The cityscape in KZ4 is truly amazing though.
What if the smarphone screen is 1080p :b
Metalmurphy
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Those shots from the press site are bullshots.
Just capture some from the direct feed 1080p video instead.
Not an actual PS4 no, but a PS4 devkit.
Just capture some from the direct feed 1080p video instead.
Not an actual PS4 no, but a PS4 devkit.
Took some screenshots of the YOUTUBE gameplay feed and edited them into the post at the front page in a quote, here are the full shots: - some places have worse compression issues than others - it's the motion blur kicking in too..but some nice things to spot - so much going on!
Looked amazing going through this in slow motion. Btw he throws that knife in the last screenshot. Also slaps the first guy he melees.
Looked amazing going through this in slow motion. Btw he throws that knife in the last screenshot. Also slaps the first guy he melees.
I'm on a PC now.
With the quote block, it still looks like the same game in different towns/seasons.
Bigmac1910
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It looks much better, people just cannot see it yet, once they play it I think they'll will change their minds.
Metalmurphy
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Someone mentioned something about 1.1GB for 1 minute..couldn't find the video, will have a look but the 1080p didn't look too shabby even going slowmo! Quite a bit of mess in some of the shots though. Will hunt for the vid soon.
For fun
And the rest. Bare in mind the actual demo had more post process effects and better depth of field/lens focus.
Vampirolol
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So finally they made a good color palette 
OMG
OMGSneakyStephan
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Btw I can't believe I'm in the camp that has to defend killzone 4 here
I thought I'd be the last person on earth to defend a console game.
I honestly thought the second half of the presentation video (rope bit) was all cgi, I bought killzone 2 at release on ps3 I remember it well enough, I think kz2 aged poorly in all aspects except for animation.
I think people who can't see the difference night and day are insane.
What do you think of watch dogs and that racing game etc then? Watch dogs is cross gen and looks every bit like a cross gen game, the car one from what little they showed looks worse than project cars screenshots.
I doubted the killzone footage BECAUSE it looks so much better than everything else (bar the dragon demo which was on the scale of a tech demo so it hardly counts as representing game graphics) .
I as pc gamer see a full gen jump here and no sign of diminishing returns.
If this counts as Diminishing returns then how about half life 2 xbox vs half life 2 xbox 360<.< that's a million times closer.
I thought I'd be the last person on earth to defend a console game.
I honestly thought the second half of the presentation video (rope bit) was all cgi, I bought killzone 2 at release on ps3 I remember it well enough, I think kz2 aged poorly in all aspects except for animation.
I think people who can't see the difference night and day are insane.
What do you think of watch dogs and that racing game etc then? Watch dogs is cross gen and looks every bit like a cross gen game, the car one from what little they showed looks worse than project cars screenshots.
I doubted the killzone footage BECAUSE it looks so much better than everything else (bar the dragon demo which was on the scale of a tech demo so it hardly counts as representing game graphics) .
I as pc gamer see a full gen jump here and no sign of diminishing returns.
If this counts as Diminishing returns then how about half life 2 xbox vs half life 2 xbox 360<.< that's a million times closer.
Seems so and with plenty of dev time to go i think it will look significantly better by the time its released.
Metalmurphy
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48049581&postcount=1471
Youtube captures completely ruin the game. Here's some from the 1080p .mov file
Bigmac1910
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It is set in the Killzone universe, and of course it will look similar, just like the Gears of War and Halos.
I don't feel like this thread is helping the argument that it couldn't be mistaken for a ps3 game to a layman.
People, fans, etc. often see what they want to see. Myself included, so maybe my eyes are just borked due to my own biases and my pc gaming history. Even Deep Down, a tech demo that floored me upon first viewing, felt great but not as immaculate as i initially thought upon repeated viewings.
I think sony fans are gonna feel vindicated by the end of the gen but far fewer people will care about the leap compared to this gen.
People, fans, etc. often see what they want to see. Myself included, so maybe my eyes are just borked due to my own biases and my pc gaming history. Even Deep Down, a tech demo that floored me upon first viewing, felt great but not as immaculate as i initially thought upon repeated viewings.
I think sony fans are gonna feel vindicated by the end of the gen but far fewer people will care about the leap compared to this gen.
GraveHorizon
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Does this Crysis image have chromatic aberration? I hate that shit.
paradise_circus
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48049581&postcount=1471
Youtube captures completely ruin the game. Here's some from the 1080p .mov file
Wow even better! Thanks for the link.
It looks crazy good. I'm worried now hah. Killzone guys are beasts though. Can't fucking wait!
nelsonroyale
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That is ubiquitous in most current console and pc games I would say.
Also, did anyone notice any pop-up? I dont think I noticed much at all. Rendering such a massive scene with little to no pop-in is quite a feat. Not sure about Crysis 3 since I have yet to play it (just seen vids) but Crysis 1 and 2 had quite a bit of pop up.
KZ3 definitely looks a bit blurrier than KZ4.
I know I'm gonna get ripped to shreds but while I'm confident KZ4 will be amazing visually, none of those pics in the op seem particularly next gen. with the possible exception of the building shot.
I know I'm gonna get ripped to shreds but while I'm confident KZ4 will be amazing visually, none of those pics in the op seem particularly next gen. with the possible exception of the building shot.
Always-honest
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Agreed. This is what stood out most to me as well.
Well, I've only seen the demo from the Jimmy Fallon show on youtube.
You're trying far too hard to downplay next-gen graphics.
OMFG look at that MOVIE QUALITY CGI REAL TIME GRAPHIX
Is it Killzone? A screencap from Avengers? Or just a real life photo? Impossible to tell.