lol I was just thinking i've seen this picture many times and never noticed TO standing in the background.
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lol I was just thinking i've seen this picture many times and never noticed TO standing in the background.
No.
I'm not acting like that at all. I'm just going with what the society around me(here in the United States to be specific) identifies as 'masculine'.
You're just putting words in my mouth and trying to set up a nice, convenient strawman there. What I've said is certainly more nuanced than that.
EDIT: And sorry for the double-post(s?). Hard keeping up with multiple people.
Yes, you kind of are. You're saying that because my idea of masculinity doesn't align with your completely anecdotal perception of it, it's not valid to anyone but myself. Trust me, there are people out there that have even crazier ideas than I do. I also happen to live in the US and I happen to know quite a few people who feel the same way about this that I do. Just because you don't experience something yourself does not mean it doesn't exist or isn't valid.
Brawndo Addict
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I think the fact that this whole discourse is centered around the male perspective tells you that this is more about enforcing traditional male gender norms and concepts of masculinity than anything else. Why is it that women don't need to use the phrase but males do? No homo becomes a tool used to shame certain behavior as non masculine and gay, thus perpetuating notions that gay men are not really male or masculine, an implicitly negative and insulting concept.
crowphoenix
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Then why would being called gay or thought of as gay hurt your masculinity?
The underlying issue regarding "no homo" as a pragmatic phrase has to do with much more than being a simple pejorative against gayfolk.
Extra Sauce
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And we are saying that living your life by trying to reach some inane level of masculinity & judging/evaluating others based on your own biased interpretation of masculinity is kinda sad. It's incredibly stupid to limit what you do and don't do based on what you view men should or should not do because certain things aren't deemed masculine, when you should understand that those limits are just a result of the community/culture you've been raised in and they, in fact, have ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING IN LIFE and you should just behave however the hell you want to behave and not let those things keep you from, say, hugging a really good male friend of yours without having to feel the least bit gay about it.
And yes, the world WOULD be a much better place if we eliminated the need for the pursue of a culturally defined masculinity for men and feminacy for women. This doesn't mean women can't wear makeup or men can't watch sports & drink beer, just that other women wouldn't be judged for NOT wanting to wear makeup or men for not giving a flying shit about sports & drinking beer.
This isn't about how I define myself, necessarily. I'm trying to discuss this in a much broader sense.
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying your perception of 'masculinity' and 'femininity' is invalid at all. I'm just saying thats not how most people see it. For the sake of discussion, it would be terribly frustrating if we had to include each and every person's position that was different from society's in general. I'm not asking you to adopt society's view, either.
Anyways, I feel like we've gone so far away(but not necessarily off-track) of how this started. People are jumping in now without the full context and/or trying to say I'm saying things I'm most definitely not.
I've also been on this subject for a little too long. I'm happy to consider a lot of what I've heard and maybe some of you will have some understanding of what I was trying to say instead of just trying to interpret everything I was saying as some sort of attack.
Later.
No it actually is factual, whereas the second part of your post is not. No one cares if you sound a teenager. It's the fact that the phrase is derogatory and should not be used. Once you finish high school you'll understand.
Why would Bish teach a class, with the intent to make students employable, but not call out ignorant actions which would be very counterproductive in many (not all, I suppose if the student wanted to work on Shadow Complex 2 it might be permissible) workplaces?
I have read every single response to your original post and I don't see a one that mischaracterizes what you said as an attack of any kind.
This is my understanding of what you were trying to say: being thought to be possibly homosexual would offend you because it would be an indication to you that you were not viewed as masculine.
If I have failed to interpret you correctly, just point out where I went wrong, and we can go from there.
Real quick:
I think your 'better world' argument is more a problem of people being judgemental. We will always classify each other in different ways. We cant live in a 'label-less' society. That will never happen. And its not necessarily a bad thing. The problem comes from people needing to be more sympathetic and understanding of when people dont fit into these roughly defined categories. Thats something that perhaps can be changed.
I've gone over that already.
There doesn't necessarily have to be a 'need' to differentiate between masculine and feminine behavior/characteristics, but for as long as there are some notable differences in the way we tend to act and be, I see no reason to just ignore them.
I think your 'better world' argument is more a problem of people being judgemental. We will always classify each other in different ways. We cant live in a 'label-less' society. That will never happen. And its not necessarily a bad thing. The problem comes from people needing to be more sympathetic and understanding of when people dont fit into these roughly defined categories. Thats something that perhaps can be changed.
Dude Abides
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Sounds like you've never been around, say, investment bankers. If you get out more, you'll understand.
freenudemacusers
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Is that an appropriate context to use said phrase?
That is almost explicitly what this thread is about.
I find ridiculousness to be a pretty solid justification for most things.
I'm kind of astonished to learn that people use "no homo" as a sort of punctuation for double entendres. Really? Like some linguistic rimshot? Beyond being emblematic of unconscious negativity towards homosexuals, it's just lazy humor. It's like expecting it to be hilarious when you say "the cake is lie," only the cake is sexual equality.
Latent homophobes, please be confident in yourself enough to tell your mechanic coworker how long you had to lubricate the crankshaft without ruining the moment with an obvious "no homo."
Latent homophobes, please be confident in yourself enough to tell your mechanic coworker how long you had to lubricate the crankshaft without ruining the moment with an obvious "no homo."
When you're talking about professional comedy in general there really isn't a question of appropriateness because then we start getting into issues of censoring art, right? We can talk about the appropriateness of the term outside of that context though because it has actual meaning and connotation beyond any comedic value.
Well because that would be fair.
So they hand out derogatorily labelled chocolates around the office? I doubt that very much. Just quit now.
What would the judgement criteria be?
1) Scruffiness [1-10]
2) Tardiness [1-10]
3) Agreedwithmeiness [1-10]
Are the pre-reqs for a Bish graduate course in Game Design to be a bad mother fucker? I have a CS degree and make hobby-level games on the side, what do I gotta do to get in??!
wickedcapedkid
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I totally interpreted this thread wrong.
I thought you were implying that you smoked pot with your grad student, thus this indirectly encouraged him and made him think
it was ok to pass out marijuana chocolates to people in class and infuriated you.
You seriously got offended by "No homo"?
...cool story, bro.
I thought you were implying that you smoked pot with your grad student, thus this indirectly encouraged him and made him think
it was ok to pass out marijuana chocolates to people in class and infuriated you.
You seriously got offended by "No homo"?
...cool story, bro.
Dude Abides
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Where did I say that happened? Try to read for comprehension rather than internet points.
FutureZombie
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Literal PC policing.
ZackusMaximus
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So an over sensitive politically correct prof ruined a dumbass grad students day? Awesome. I'm so turned on right now. No homo.
Spring-Loaded
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You are definitely going to want to edit out the last three words of your post, asap
EDIT: Whelp.
Because now people are just getting stupid and straight up disrespectful.
Whether you agree about the term itself in the scheme of things, the over all intent by Bish and the lesson given is only a positive.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Who is paying who?
Anyways, I think I used "No Homo" a couple times in middle school, but it quickly escaped my vocabulary.
Off topic, and this is not intended as a gravestomping exercise, but I wonder about the awareness of some people who post in threads like this.
Are they aware that it was created by Bish? Do they know what the red name means? Have they read the FAQ board?
Tip for any lurkers reading this thread that may join in the future, read the FAQ.
Kay back to talking about Seanspeed getting rammed by his GF.
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Oh wait, that was hours ago, nvm.
Are they aware that it was created by Bish? Do they know what the red name means? Have they read the FAQ board?
Tip for any lurkers reading this thread that may join in the future, read the FAQ.
Kay back to talking about Seanspeed getting rammed by his GF.
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Oh wait, that was hours ago, nvm.
Bobby Roberts
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Nobody reads threads past the first 5 or 10 posts that flit across their eyes. Could be all on page one. Could be a couple on page 1 & 2. Could be a couple on 1, some on 3, and then skip to the end, read the last 2 posts, and figure you're safe.
But basically, every 2 or 3 pages, the topic essentially resets because people don't really care about reading through the thread, just making sure their opinion has been registered.
Hell, on this page, there are people asking Bish if he's really a teacher, and if so, what he teaches. Why? Because they care about the thread JUST ENOUGH to read 2 or 3 posts, and then ask their question.
Pollux
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Don't knock it until you try it...
Damn, must not have seen the Bish sign in the sky.
Honestly, I find the term 'no homo' to be slightly offensive, because even though I'm completely heterosexual, the phrase itself just screams ignorance.
There's absolutely no reason why another person would find it acceptable or even tactful to say it as a joke or otherwise. It's like me going around calling out 'Dude Bro's' or 'Crack...you get the idea'. It's just classless.
LOL
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Not generally, in fact there is a large variance in the gay community just as there is in the straight community. You aren't gay because you identify with feminine traits more, you're gay because you're attracted to the same gender.
This realization usually doesn't send you skipping to the track-lighting store to buy George Michael CDs and pink mesh tops.
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FUCK I should have shoved some musical theater reference in there too
Does that mean I'm not gay because I hate George Michael and pink mesh tops?
I doubt masculinity has had the same definition for thousands of years, or even hundreds. Just back in the early 1900s, in Europe or maybe just Britain, pink was still a colour for baby boys because it represented strength and courage while blue in for baby girls because it represents elegance. I'm sure there are other such examples of how feminity and masculinity have changed definitions across time and cultures.
You said so yourself, that you won't want people to say you're gay because it's "don't seem very masculine". I.e. implying that you have the idea that gays are feminine.
There are plenty of people who've discussed both sides of this issue without getting banned. Before you post in this thread, you may want to read a few pages of it.
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