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Wii/PS3/Kinect homebrewer rumor: Durango CPU clocked at 1.6ghz.

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Roo

Member
DonMigs85 said:
Didn't the Tekken guy say they had "challenges" with the CPU?
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The Gearbox crew said the same or something similar but it isn't by any means the same thing as "horrible, slow, etc" like that THQ guy claimed
how is it possible some developers praise Wii U's architecture but some don't do anything but whine about it? incompetence if you ask me...
 
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shinra-bansho

Member
KojiKnight said:
A few people have mentioned it. I didn't put it in OP because it had no relevance to the news I was posting. This isn't the next Durango mega thread, it was simply a post on heresay by a pretty trustworthy source.
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I don't really see how it's irrelevant, considering it's known context.

Unless the thread is intended to bait people into herpderping about the low clockspeed, in a similar way to how some did in the Wii U thread. Or to try and gotcha people into saying it's okay for the 720 but not for the Wii U.

The context of the Wii U's clockspeed was never omitted; reactions weren't wholly based on such. However, reactions in this thread likely will be.
 
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jackal27

Banned
U2NUMB said:
Come on now we learned this info about the Wii U AFTER it was released. The next Xbox has not even been announced yet.
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IrishNinja

IrishNinja

Member
i mean, we don't know much of anything right now

but i have to admit

i kinda wish it'd work out this way, the meltdowns here on GAF would be hilarious, YOU CANT POSSIBLY ENJOY ANYTHING WITH THESE NUMBERS HNNNGGGHHH
 
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teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Log4Girlz said:
I've already deduced that this cpu is a triple core xbox 1 celeron cpu.
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The fatal mistake you make is that the Xbox 3 CPU doesn't have precious, precious EDRAM*.

*Talk to your doctor about ED. Only people healthy enough should have sex, and something something nursing or preggers women.
 
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yn-neko hates a cat

Banned
I'm going to go on record and say that everyone posting here is serious. I can't believe people would do something as tasteless as post lies about their impressions on a message board to mislead and enrage fellow board members... I just can't. So the only other conclusion there is to make is that our members are stupid but I'm ok with this because we all can't always be at our best.

Never change GAF <3
 
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KojiKnight

Member
shinra-bansho said:
I don't really see how it's irrelevant, considering it's known context.

Unless the thread is intended to bait people into herpderping about the low clockspeed, in a similar way to how some did in the Wii U thread. Or to try and gotcha people into saying it's okay for the 720 but not for the Wii U.

The context of the Wii U's clockspeed was never omitted; reactions weren't wholly based on such. However, reactions in this thread likely will be.
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Marcan didn't make any comments about other rumors or anything else about the architecture including amount of cores. To put those other rumors into the OP would be to take THOSE rumors out of context.

The context of the Wii U speed in the other Marcan thread was mentioned by Marcan and thus was included... Including rumors from other sources would have been confusing and imply that Marcan was confirming them.
 
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Blizzard

Banned
Valnen said:
We don't want them to keep up though, we want them to be more powerful by a massive margin. 1080p on all games or bust.
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Given X amount of processing power on a console, which do you think developers in the future will do?

  • Reach a point where they have 1080p and/or 60 fps, and not add more things or effects, or
  • Continue adding things and effects until they reach 720p30/1080p30/something similar?
 
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quest

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DonMigs85 said:
Yeah, but Nintendo is much less willing to take a big loss on hardware.
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I don't think Sony or ms will be taking a large loss. Sony does not have the money and learned from last time. MS has been very profit driven since the 1 billion dollar warrant write off. I know we won't get real next Gen hardware. Imo it will be half normal leap. Profit and lower tdp will ensure that.
 
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KageMaru

Member
Alistair Roo said:
The Gearbox crew said the same or something similar but it isn't by any means the same thing as "horrible, slow, etc" like that THQ guy claimed
how is it possible some developers praise Wii U's architecture but some don't do anything but whine about it? incompetence if you ask me...
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Why would you assume incompetence?
 
Teletraan1

Teletraan1

Banned
I have a theory that these erroneous reports that PS4/720 are not going to be upgrades to the PS360 stem from the fact that they are clocked lower with more efficient CPUs and somewhere down the chain of the telephone game some fool just equated Ghz to power.
 
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Godslay

Banned
I wonder if the specs are nearly locked in for Durango/720. It was rumored that manufacturing had started for it (may have been dev kits though). We are less than a year out, and manufacturing has to ramp up at some point. With dev kits being manufactured, one would derive that there is a 'window' of what the final specs will be.

Granted I know very little of the manufacturing side of things, so I don't know how long it takes from finalized design to finished product.
 
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KojiKnight

Member
Asherdude said:
Yeah. And we all know that several cores worked wonders for the PS3.
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PS3 isn't a multicore machine. It has a single 3.8ghz Power-based Cell processor with 7 active SPUs (1 is disabled by manufacturer, 1 is used solely for OS funtions, leaving 6 available to games). SPUs are not CPU cores.
 
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Meelow

Banned
KojiKnight said:
My question exactly... the mod that altered my title seems more incline to obfuscate this thread than anything else... Marcan is also one of the big names involved in FailOverFlow and PS3 hacking, as well as iPhone and other things.
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You should message a mod then and ask them to change the title back.
 
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shinra-bansho

Member
KojiKnight said:
Marcan didn't make any comments about other rumors or anything else about the architecture including amount of cores. To put those other rumors into the OP would be to take THOSE rumors out of context.

The context of the Wii U speed in the other Marcan thread was mentioned by Marcan and thus was included... Including rumors from other sources would have been confusing and imply that Marcan was confirming them.
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I don't see how a sentence saying "Other sources/rumors indicate the CPU will have 8 cores blablabla" would confuse people.

But in any event, as already pointed out this essentially tells us pretty much nothing. For one thing the credibility of the actual source isn't validated. For another, there is no context.
 
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GaussTek

Member
EloquentM said:
Why is the title that? He's done more than just hacking the Wii.
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I agree. And, he didn't make a CFW for the Wii. He helped to find out the Twilight Hack exploit to add homebrew on the Wii, and the Homebrew Channel (among other things, not just Wii scene).
 
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KageMaru

Member
quest said:
Could of swore it was 16 threads. I still dont believe. I think 8 thread quad core CPU. Or a dual core version of that ibm processor that runs 4 threads a core.
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Well each jaguar core is single threaded so...

Though I don't believe the 16 thread/core rumor.
 
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Gemüsepizza

Member
Because the Durango cpu with 2012 tech (jaguar?), ~8 cores, manufactured in a 28nm process with a die size of ~45mm² (8x3,1mm² for cores + ~8x2,5mm² for L2 cache(estimation), all specs from jaguar) is clearly comparable with a slightly improved 3 core CPU based on a design from 12 years ago (no, that's not the same as cpu architecture like x86 or ppc) which is built using a 45nm process and has a die size of 33mm².

KageMaru said:
Well each jaguar core is single threaded so...

Though I don't believe the 16 thread/core rumor.
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Oh, I thought each core has two threads.
 
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lunarworks

Member
It's funny, the whole CPU speed thing. The misconception about it.

We were so used to it increasing constantly. Every year, CPUs were faster. There was no question about it. Clocks speeds were meant to go up, and that was it.

But that sorta levelled off several years ago. Things peaked at about 3.2 GHZ, and then retreated a bit.

Clock speeds have gotten slower, but today's chips still murder yesterday's chips in terms of actual power.
 
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KojiKnight

Member
There are a lot of reasonable possibilities if this is all true... it could also be that Marcan or his source are mistaken... but again, Marcan isn't a guy with an agenda... he has no reason for any Nintendo loyalty (and indeed, blamed Nintendo for terrible choices in it's hardware design). The man is just an engineer that loves to reverse and hack hardware.

A well intentioned person is, of course, not necessarily a well informed person (though I'd say he has a better shot of being right than most).
 
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Log4Girlz

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Gemüsepizza;44971814 said:
Because the Durango cpu with 2012 tech (jaguar?), ~8 cores (2 threads per core), manufactured in a 28nm process with a die size of ~45mm² c(8x3,1mm² for cores + ~8x2,5mm² for L2 cache(estimation), all specs from jaguar) is clearly comparable with a slightly improved 3 core CPU (1 thread per core) based on a design from 12 years ago (no, that's not the same as cpu architecture like x86 or ppc) which is built using a 45nm process and has a die size of 33mm².



Oh, I thought each core has two threads.
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The only issue ever discussed was the Wii U's clock speed. No one knows anything about the achitecture of the cpu and it was never brought up. This is a pretty clear lesson to Nintendo detractors, ghz isn't everything.

Would I go on the internet and tell lies?
 
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AmFreak

Member
KojiKnight said:
PS3 isn't a multicore machine. It has a single 3.8ghz Power-based Cell processor with 7 active SPUs (1 is disabled by manufacturer, 1 is used solely for OS funtions, leaving 6 available to games). SPUs are not CPU cores.
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True, spu's are in fact, butterflies ...
And the PPU is 3.2 Ghz btw.
 
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Dion Blaster

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Someone told me that CPU and its clock speed is becoming less important and the Wii U architecture / other next gens' architecture will be focused on the GPGPU doing most of the work. I know absolutely nothing about this kind of stuff, was this guy just making excuses for Wii U / next gen consoles or was he being honest? And could it be true that GPU-intensive games will run better on the Wii U as opposed to the current gen CPU-intensive? Just trying to estimate the bleakness of the Wii U's future.
 
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KillerTravis

Banned
Fivefold said:
Are we seriously making threads based on "some guy from twitter" now?

And why is that even relevant? Clock speed without other arch details such as number of cores, etc... is absolutely useless as a way to gauge power... this just sounds like WiiU damage control.
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So you are ok with a thread made from "some twitter guy" when it's about the Wii U CPU, but not when it's about the Durango?
 
DonMigs85

DonMigs85

Member
linkratos said:
Someone told me that CPU and its clock speed is becoming less important and the Wii U architecture / other next gens' architecture will be focused on the GPGPU doing most of the work. I know absolutely nothing about this kind of stuff, was this guy just making excuses for Wii U / next gen consoles or was he being honest? And could it be true that GPU-intensive games will run better on the Wii U as opposed to the current gen CPU-intensive? Just trying to estimate the bleakness of the Wii U's future.
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People love to play up "GPGPU" but the fact is the Wii U just doesn't have much GPU muscle to dedicate to non-graphics work. It's already driving both the TV and the pad.
 
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