Lumpy Onion
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Bugs the shit out of me too. As if that post is the only one that matters.
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Is GAF too strict?
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Bugs the shit out of me too. As if that post is the only one that matters.
Wafflecakes
Member
Naw (assuming first post is actually good) I generally find it rather amusing.
Though if it is a REALLY legendary first post it essentially kills the thread as far as real discussion.
Also really hate that whenever you play devils advocate or try to look at a controversial issue from another angle that isn't 100% traditional you get labeled as "there is a defense force for everything" and discussion just ends as you are raged at.
Angry Fork
Member
People hated him long before that.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Overall, I don't believe that it is. It's actually extremely well modded in comparison to a multitude of other forums I have come across over a span of a decade.
My only gripe with this forum is how they issue bans for rules that are not clear to everyone else unless you spend a lot of time on this forum, and they'll do it without issuing a simple warning. "Oh you didn't know about this arbitrary rule we just came up with because you weren't around when people were acting like shits that one time? So sorry but you're banned now. That'll learn ya!" I think that's really, really fucked up...
I'd also wish the mods would hand out warnings before immediately going for the hammer as well. Simply telling someone to simmer down or cut the shit will suffice more often than not.
I also don't like how certain curse words are not allowed. It's not a major gripe by any means, and I get why they do it. But still.. I just don't feel like it's "ban worthy", unless the word is being abused for the sake of abuse of course.
My only gripe with this forum is how they issue bans for rules that are not clear to everyone else unless you spend a lot of time on this forum, and they'll do it without issuing a simple warning. "Oh you didn't know about this arbitrary rule we just came up with because you weren't around when people were acting like shits that one time? So sorry but you're banned now. That'll learn ya!" I think that's really, really fucked up...
I'd also wish the mods would hand out warnings before immediately going for the hammer as well. Simply telling someone to simmer down or cut the shit will suffice more often than not.
I also don't like how certain curse words are not allowed. It's not a major gripe by any means, and I get why they do it. But still.. I just don't feel like it's "ban worthy", unless the word is being abused for the sake of abuse of course.
a lot of Johnny-come-latelies over compensating.
metalslimer
Member
It's real nice to be on a forum where people insulting gay people isn't tolerated in any way shape or form no matter if it is in your religious beliefs or not. Honestly the worst thing about gaf is not how hive minded the off topic becomes. The gaming side is particularly bad about this in official topics.
Anyone with a belief has to be prepared to have it questioned. Religion is not excluded.
If randomly dropped in an unrelated thread, like all other forms of thread shitting, the poster will be banned.
Cunt is on the level of the use of Faggot. Lots of people I know use fag, gay, faggot casually, but that is not allowed here, while asshole is. Isn't asshole offensive? Isn't that a pretty nasty insult? There is greater gravity to those words because of the manner they have been used in the past.
Theres two ways to make a good forum:
A) have one that appeals exclusively to specialists (IE, recording engineers, luthiers, high level poker players)
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B) rule with an iron first. I think gaf could be a lot more strict. Look at the infractions on something awful, where people get banned from posting for a few days because they just say incredibly stupid things.
A) have one that appeals exclusively to specialists (IE, recording engineers, luthiers, high level poker players)
or
B) rule with an iron first. I think gaf could be a lot more strict. Look at the infractions on something awful, where people get banned from posting for a few days because they just say incredibly stupid things.
I disliked him before that. Had a nasty little habit of calling people idiots. Which, I think, is far more offensive than most of the insults that get thrown around here
I'm not sure where this idea comes from. I see people argue with mods all the time, often pretty aggressively, and they don't get banned. Frankly, if a mod posts in response to you, it's probably a good sign you AREN'T going to get banned, because banning you takes less clicks.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
doesn't this still get you banned?
as far as i could tell, people seemed to hate him even before that. those "fuck amirox" comments on every youtube video posted here didn't start after him being demodded.
metalslimer
Member
To be fair, I have seen him call people idiots and worse before.
well it is the best platform
Angry Fork
Member
well it is the best platform
rofl does anyone have the post/thread where this picture was first posted. Its such an annoying shit eating grin I really hate/love it at the same time.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Unless I have the wrong guy, Amir0x has fallen back on literally asserting people are lying about the things they personally believe or prefer, so he can invalidate their opinion and win.
I would guess those kinds of tricks don't fly with most folks.
its from a different forum, but the original:
http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/russell_westbrook.jpg?w=320
Sye d'Burns
Member
The idea comes from seeing the types of slanders that militant atheistic types make on a regular basis with no repercussions. I never said arguing with a mod would get you banned. It will paint a nice shiny target on your back with godlessGAF and give them a cudgel in the form of a post history which people can knock you with later and which can be parsed to all hell for maximum effect and further ridicule down the road.
It's not going to make you friends, it's only going to further antagonistic strife for to no good end. It's just not worth trifling with when the owner of the site comes down fairly firmly on the opposite side of the argument.
It won't get you banned but it is poor form.
No. The strictness of the moderation policy created a safe harbor that I desperately needed, at a time I was withdrawing further and further into myself. GAF was one of the last places that I engaged other people, and even that was slipping away.
I like to hope that I'd have survived regardless, but I don't really think I want to equivocate on this point: GAF helped save my life, and I want to thank every moderator and user that's helped to establish a discussion environment that's intolerant, yes, intolerant of many forms of bigotry.
Most avenues of social interaction in this world are permissive of varying degrees of hatred, denigration, and ostracism of marginalized and oppressed minorities. Hail, Eris; NeoGAF is not one of them. I'm not going to apologize for wanting certain speech to be forbidden in this space, when it is so widely permitted or even encouraged in so many other online forums or meatspace social contexts.
I like to hope that I'd have survived regardless, but I don't really think I want to equivocate on this point: GAF helped save my life, and I want to thank every moderator and user that's helped to establish a discussion environment that's intolerant, yes, intolerant of many forms of bigotry.
Most avenues of social interaction in this world are permissive of varying degrees of hatred, denigration, and ostracism of marginalized and oppressed minorities. Hail, Eris; NeoGAF is not one of them. I'm not going to apologize for wanting certain speech to be forbidden in this space, when it is so widely permitted or even encouraged in so many other online forums or meatspace social contexts.
Willkiller
Banned
"Cunt" shouldn't be banned. It's an utterly ridiculous rule but it doesn't look like it'll be overturned any time soon unfortunately.
Knux-Future
Banned
You can question them without belittling them. You don't have to belive but to basically diss their god or belief is an insult to them
That;s all I'm saying. Religion isn't perfect (nothing is) and hell it may not even be legit but there are ways of talking about it outside of straight up condemning it or calling it fake.
You may not feel like it's an insult but trust me it is. Personally I don't put cunt and bitch on the same level as fag or nigger. But that doesn't seem to matter now does it? Offensive is Offensive whether your place the same value on it or not.
That is my point. Cunt seems to be the line and honestly that is a bit weird too me.
Not saying you are wrong but I'm just pointing out that some people may take a Jesus diss on the same level or worse than cunt.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
There are religious people who are fine with others saying they don't think Jesus is real. In point of fact, if you're going to be religious and choose to have faith in something you can't rationally work out the reality of, you have to accept that other people cannot be expected, just 'cause, to share your belief and agree with it to make you feel better.
This does not come from me. This comes from Christians who have some wisdom.
The real problem, in part, is that there's a variant of Christian (using just this religion as the example, it happens with most) who is practically taut to get offended when other people don't share their beliefs about reality, and to be honest, such Christians can get rather puffy rather fast no matter how nicely someone says "I don't think Jesus existed".
The entire notion of faith in the unknowable sort of breaks down when you get angry at other people reminding you your object of faith is unknowable. If you're going to be religious, it's probably best to think it through a bit more.
To be honest the real root of this particular controversy seems to stem from Christianity and its reality framework being the default assumption by most people in the western world for a long time, and now that the market share of that particular viewpoint is declining a little, well, a lot of Christians have little experiencing dealing with the fact that their assumptions cannot be taken for granted.
Mind you. I say this as someone who, at the end of the day, often ends up defending religious people from the 'rabid attack atheist'.
Davey Cakes
Member
I'm not sure if this is on-topic or not but I dislike the strictness in terms of poster responsibilities; specifically, how people can't edit their own thread titles, and have to ask mods to do it.
In the first place, people should check for errors before they post a thread anyway, but if something slips through a person should be able to fix it later.
Hell, sometimes mods don't even fix improper or misspelled thread titles. Sometimes there will be threads that get regular daily attention and yet always contain errors. Does no one notice?
Same applies for how we can't delete our own posts. Sometimes double-posting happens because of connection problems and whatnot, and yet some folks have to write "sorry, double post" in the second post so that a mod will come around and delete it. There are forums that allow a "delete post" option along with a "reasons for deletion" box that mods could check in case of abuse.
In the first place, people should check for errors before they post a thread anyway, but if something slips through a person should be able to fix it later.
Hell, sometimes mods don't even fix improper or misspelled thread titles. Sometimes there will be threads that get regular daily attention and yet always contain errors. Does no one notice?
Same applies for how we can't delete our own posts. Sometimes double-posting happens because of connection problems and whatnot, and yet some folks have to write "sorry, double post" in the second post so that a mod will come around and delete it. There are forums that allow a "delete post" option along with a "reasons for deletion" box that mods could check in case of abuse.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
by the way, weren't people banned at one point for saying wrestling is fake? is that still happening?
Knux-Future
Banned
The puffy one I have no issue with at all. They are the dickish ones I've mentioned. That when they overstep their boundary. That;'s fine.
It is mainly the attacks I'm talking about that almost seem to be okay here sometimes.
I think I agree with you.
I have trouble explaining myself sometimes so bare with me.
blame space
Banned
haha what
Why the bloody hell would someone be banned for that?
Oh man the hilarity that would ensue if people could edit thread titles.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
People will still be dicks, but we can always hope for more tolerable dicks in the future.
Just please the more religious of GAF, don't let your religion become a sticking point in getting to know really great people. I mean some of us are actually pretty nice though we aren't exactly your norm.
Sye d'Burns
Member
Yeah, lurkers. They're a real common breed on GAF but it's a blue moon when you see godlyGAF respond with anything other than relief when inquiring or disbelieving minds deign to post with something approaching civility.
Steve Youngblood
Member
As someone who only looks at wrestling threads very, very infrequently, I can't vouch for whether or not it could get you banned, but I could see why it would be the case. For the most part, wouldn't anyone pointing out that wrestling is fake pretty much just be saying it to troll fans of wrestling?
Yes that was me. My question is if it was because of the first part then I understand, it was about Bungie and I was being a dipshit. If it's because I called a junior by "junior", I wasn't trying to insult the guy I was just too lazy to actually type out the person's SN. I should have known better since I remember there being comments about being like rankist on GAF but oh well. A punishment lasting over a year due to lazyness is a hell of a joke, I'll tell you what. I'm surprised you remembered that though.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
And re-inflate the threa by 75% taking into account huge font custom titles and big-ass "ironic" signatures
In the context of people repetedly showing up in a wrestling thread and hollering that as a "joke", even though every one knows it to be true, or in a more general sense?
*ed* Steve Youngblood's quicker than me it seems. */ed*
The way he lost his modship is only one example of the kinds of things he does to make people hate him. He doesn't care about intelligent discourse, he just cares about winning arguments, no matter how. Whether it was abusing his mod powers to bully around regular users back then, or abusing his special protected status now that lets him freely throw insults around at other users without consequence in an effort to bait others into throwing an insult back and getting banned, he's always been willing to do whatever it took to "win" arguments. Of course, "winning" arguments in his mind doesn't mean that he convinced anyone of his opinion, it just means that he got the last word in because the other person gave up or got banned.
The one incident that got him demodded was just so exceptionally shitty even by his standards, and he'd been undeniably caught red-handed in the act, that even EviLore couldn't look the other way anymore.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i can't say for certain, it has been a long time since i remember seeing it happen. but to my best recollection it happened outside official wrestling threads at least occasionally. i may be completely misremembering, so i don't want to accuse anyone, just asking does anyone else remember it or am i imagining things.
This.
OP the place has been around for a long time in various forms. Certain arguments and things have gone that net trolls or shills have no inclination of stopping now, especially with more people on the web. Glad this place locks certain arguments down at most other places I'm at are far too liberal and as a result a much different hive or culture comes about that you don't want.
When it comes to not catching people by surprise with a ban, I certainly agree, we need to do better about that.
Unfair, right? Pretty asinine, right? In fact, I'd be saying this just based on your avatar without even knowing what you feel about the franchise or whether you're referencing P3 or P4A.
Yet your post implies a lament, echoed by others, of not being able to act similarly to MLP fans.
Anyway, to be entirely honest, religious discussion is pretty damn hard to sort out. You have the deities in question, the interpretation of those deities, the organizations devoted to those deities, the adherents of those deities, and the philosophical underpinnings of the entire venture. Furthermore, church is often not some thing people just go to on Sunday, as it can have real societal effects and quite often political effects. The religious right in America has bred a ton of ill will along these lines. Efforts to undermine the teaching of Biology in schools for "religious reasons" has also bred ill will.
I'm personally not anti-religion in general, and I do agree people shouldn't be asses to each other, but when it comes to "should X be considered sacred?" I'm not really sure what to say. Usually when you give protected status to religion hypocrites quickly use it as a shield or you get situations when it shuts down discussion in the other direction. I understand the complaint, but like others have said previously in this thread, it's not an easy call and I don't have the best answer for it.
What if I said Persona is a game made for shun-in losers to encourage them to talk to other people and told you to go outside more?
Unfair, right? Pretty asinine, right? In fact, I'd be saying this just based on your avatar without even knowing what you feel about the franchise or whether you're referencing P3 or P4A.
Yet your post implies a lament, echoed by others, of not being able to act similarly to MLP fans.
Anyway, to be entirely honest, religious discussion is pretty damn hard to sort out. You have the deities in question, the interpretation of those deities, the organizations devoted to those deities, the adherents of those deities, and the philosophical underpinnings of the entire venture. Furthermore, church is often not some thing people just go to on Sunday, as it can have real societal effects and quite often political effects. The religious right in America has bred a ton of ill will along these lines. Efforts to undermine the teaching of Biology in schools for "religious reasons" has also bred ill will.
I'm personally not anti-religion in general, and I do agree people shouldn't be asses to each other, but when it comes to "should X be considered sacred?" I'm not really sure what to say. Usually when you give protected status to religion hypocrites quickly use it as a shield or you get situations when it shuts down discussion in the other direction. I understand the complaint, but like others have said previously in this thread, it's not an easy call and I don't have the best answer for it.
By the way, P4A Elizabeth is awesome.
Realistically speaking I think someone would just avatar quote you, but that's beside the point
Knux-Future
Banned
Fair enough.
I didn't expect it to be easy.
I also meant no diss to MLP fans.
Once again...do what makes you happy.
Shit I watch anime.
Some of that shit is fucked up.
Maybe it's just me though, I just rather try to treat everyone equal even if I don't agree with their choice.
Probably naive tho.
I didn't expect it to be easy.
I also meant no diss to MLP fans.
Once again...do what makes you happy.
Shit I watch anime.
Some of that shit is fucked up.
Maybe it's just me though, I just rather try to treat everyone equal even if I don't agree with their choice.
Probably naive tho.
Flu? Influenza? CHIMNEYS!! Yes she is
Realistically speaking I think someone would just avatar quote you, but that's beside the point
Your avatar looks like its staring at her butt.
My avatar doesn't look all that impressed either.
Do you mean naive?
Knux-Future
Banned
spelling is hard.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
So no discussing evolution on GAF, it might offend some people.
Some of these guys believe climate change is offensive to their religion too so let's not have any of that neither (yeah, I thought someone was yanking my chain too...)
Gay marriage pisses off their god apparently, sorry gay-GAF you gotta find some other forum.
It looks like a slippery slope because it is one.
Religious crazies already destroyed from within the greatest civilisation the world had known until then and the ripples from that cataclysm still echo today - we know them as the middle east theocracies.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
The only real problem I've had with the crew here is there will be major general changes in policy wherein it'll be made verboten, but occasionally no announcements or changes to the TOS will happen (or don't for a good long while.) The C Word is a good example as non-soccer fans weren't going into the thread that got it banned, and that general knowledge had to disseminate thru the forums sloooooooooooowly, often by seeing a guy get whacked for using it three days later.
Go for it, dude.
Go for it, dude.
zerokoolpsx
Member
First post got it. Not strict. Maybe too politically correct sometimes.
Off topic, but isn't she a glass cannon? Her score attack version is so godly, its broken.
Clearly you would just be copying the person that still has one (I forget the name). Not a trend setter = meh.
Knux-Future
Banned
Yeah she is. Pretty useless if someone gets in...but otherwise. Touch of death.
The crazies obviously shouldn't be protected...and obviously you need to draw a line. But that doesn't make it okay for you to diss all of them.
It's not easy and perhaps it's not possible, I just wish for a bit more crass when people question it or bring it up...on both sides.
It's like you are mad at them for not respecting your beliefs, so you diss their beliefs?
If a religious dude is being a dick then by all mean burn his ass. But it should at least be the same way if an atheist is being disrespectful to a non-pushy religious guy/girl who is just trying to have a dialogue.
I think I'm just asking for some tact.
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