http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...d=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec1_lnk2&pLid=171378
Which was the post that caused the thread to be bumped after 9 days.
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Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...d=maing-grid7|main5|dl3|sec1_lnk2&pLid=171378
Which was the post that caused the thread to be bumped after 9 days.
Foreign Jackass
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Well, fine. I'm still reacting to the original reactions (see another one of those retarded reactions right above your post, 9 days after the original article). Ok, fine, justice has judged that this man was in his rights. I'll say that I still find the circumstances troubling enough: no witness of the rape except for the father, man who was killed is from Mexico, small community and the judge says she's never seen a case that clear (really now?).
But whatever. Man punched another man who was allegedly (that's the word they use everywhere) raping his child, alleged criminal is now dead, and... father of the year?
Yeah, sorry, I'll go with the "fuck, this is unfortunate" stance.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
I feel like we're all just getting groomed for that one poster to come in here and start blaming the father. Like, I can feel it coming.
The medical examination should be proof enough.
Well we've already had people say he made it up despite multiple posts referencing the medical examinations, so we can't be that far off.
Im very LTTP but yeah the father was absolutely justified. Call me a bloodthirsty heathen but Id be 100% ok if it came out that he meant to kill the guy, he walked in on the man raping his 5 year old daughter. How can anyone with a straight face say beating him to death after seeing that is uncalled for? In the end, tax dollars saved and potential future victims as well if the piece of shit ever got out.
Forceatowulf
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Oh Seraphinianus...
There's always "That guy" in every thread. Like fucking clockwork.
There's always "That guy" in every thread. Like fucking clockwork.
I think I've had to say this twice today.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
The thing that bugs me about the whole, "I'm too civilized to condone death," trope is that if you honestly feel that way then hey, cool; but understand that this makes YOU the aberration, not everyone else.
bengraven
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Oh wow, so I was right, the guy did feel some remorse. Sounds like a good guy who had a fucked up thing happen to his family and yet he retained his humanity in the end.
Where's the proof of that?
Where's the proof of that?
It's plausible that 50 years into his life he decided to murder a man in front of his daughter without any motive whatsoever and using the most ineffective means possible while convincingly faking his distress in a 911 call and planting evidence on his daughter and training her to back up his fabricated recollection of events in order to live out his hero tough guy fantasy. Seriously, this needs to be deeply investigated.
Wasn't the father 23 and the victim 47?
Yep, I got it switched, apologies.
No worries, I got your point
Just wanted to make sure my facts were right.. I was confused.Foreign Jackass
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Wow, you're good at straw men. Really, this whole thread is pretty great at it.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
It's just fucking human. You're supposed to be outraged by this sort of thing. We're kind of hard wired to find the rape of children hideous and unspeakable. Adding parenthood to the equation just ups the ante for revulsion. We're not talking about a dude walking in on his wife boning some other guy here, where culpability can be spread around a little more.
People aren't sticking up for the father's actions because they're mindless, bloodthirsty savages; they're doing it because even people who don't have children can understand that witnessing a child being raped probably won't be the time you decide to stop and consult Batman's moral code book. The whole thing is made even more ridiculous by the fact that the father was very clearly NOT trying to kill the dude.
It just rubs me the wrong way to see a few posters ascend ivory towers and tut-tut at people for having very understandable responses to this story. It doesn't mean that we're all itching to go out there and tenderize the head of the next person who browbeats us or pin an award on the next guy who does.
Foreign Jackass
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echoshifting
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Yeah, let's talk about strawman arguments
I imagine a rapist, in this father's shoes, would not have a dissimilar reaction.
shadyspace
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I wholeheartedly agree with your overall point but how do you explain cultures steeped in pedophilia/pederasty such as ancient Greece, feudal Japan and modern day Afghanistan?
So not only do you equate rape with adultery, you're now officially defending rapists. Wow.
Foreign Jackass
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No no no no, that's not what he was talking about, here.Yeah, let's talk about strawman arguments
I imagine a rapist, in this father's shoes, would not have a dissimilar reaction.
It just UPS the ante. All I'm doing is pointing out that this "it's the HUMAN thing to do" argumentation is going nowhere. There's nothing that's inherently human. Even desire for life is not something every human being shares. It's simply not an argument to say "well this is how every human being reacts!".
The Technomancer
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That...doesn't help your argument nearly as much as you think it does
Foreign Jackass
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Oh yeah, cause saying rapists are actually humans is defending them. Mob lynching advocates are also humans, and they're not better for it, trust me.
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of this "This is the human way to react to rape" argumentation. There's no single "human" way to react to anything. Since rapists are humans, and they basically don't see rape the same way the rest of us non-rapers do, well, the argument goes nowhere. You guys...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I agree with the broad strokes of your point but you really picked the wrong example
BankaiZaraki
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Bravo. *golf clap*
Foreign Jackass
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There just was a whole range of possibilities here, and people on this board were just incredibly quick to jump on their horses and say "Father of the year, what a hero!".
A week later, the investigations came up with the facts, and it turns out that the daughter was sexually molested. But what if they had learned from investigations that the alleged rapist was caressing the girl's leg and she yelled, and the father came in and panicked and attacked the dude?
That's why there's a justice system, with actual, you know, investigations. According to NeoGAF, everything should just be solved with a lynch mob. It's not as if it didn't happen before.
A week later, the investigations came up with the facts, and it turns out that the daughter was sexually molested. But what if they had learned from investigations that the alleged rapist was caressing the girl's leg and she yelled, and the father came in and panicked and attacked the dude?
That's why there's a justice system, with actual, you know, investigations. According to NeoGAF, everything should just be solved with a lynch mob. It's not as if it didn't happen before.
les papillons sexuels
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so what truamatized the girl?
Watching a man get beaten to death, or the attempted rape. I hope the father told her to get out of the room before killing the man.
Watching a man get beaten to death, or the attempted rape. I hope the father told her to get out of the room before killing the man.
The Faceless Master
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sucks someone had to die, but i can't say i'm against the eventual outcome...
I'd guess the actual rape was a little worse than the stopping of it. In either case, the rapist is to blame for both because it was his actions that required the need for immediate defense on his victim's behalf.
out0v0rder
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A man is dead. DEAD.
I disagree, the death of a pedophile rapist is nothing to lament.
The public has no responsibility to treat the guilty as innocent. That why we have a justice system with so much power over people's lives. We expect them to follow the law, and they did in this case.
A man has a right to defend their child and a rapist/child molester is putting their life in someone's else hands when they commit a heinous crime against someone whether in the name of the victim's self defense or a third party protecting the victim.
IIRC the pedophile was a hired hand, a well known horse groomer in the area and someone who had worked on the ranch in the past. The father left the child in his care or something only for a short few minutes to go tend to something on the other end of the property. Another child of his, I think his son heard his sisters blood curdling screams and ran to alert the dad.
Then he walked in on his 5 year old daughter half naked with a 47 year old man attempting to rape or raping her.
And?
Yes.
Escape Goat
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The loss of a human life is never a good thing...but it isn't always a tragedy.
gutter_trash
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you have a Maurice Richard avatar, and you know very well that molesters and rapists get it way too easy in the province of Quebec
If you give me the options between a)Quebec Justice with a slap on the wrist or b) father in Texas protecting his daughter by punching the rapist to death... I will opt for the Texan option
Oh yeah, it was in Quebec where a man got scott free for killing his two kids. Dr. Guy Turcotte murdered his two kids and shrinks got him off on temporary insanity and not criminally responsible.. thaT's Quebec
Baraka in the White House
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I...
...but...
Dude.
...huh??
You know what, let's fuck this chicken. What about rapists, indeed?
Seraphinianus
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theignoramus
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The law is probably giving this dude a break, but I wouldnt bother trying make some kind of principled stand over a pedophile rapist getting hauled off his prey, then beaten to death. There are so many worthier recipients of concern.
not psycho
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I don't like dehumanizing even the most evil humans that ever lived. Hitler was human. This abuser was human. The capacity for great evil is part of being human and we shouldn't forget that.
But the world is a better place with this abuser dead. We can admit that without simply reveling in the death. The dad is neither morally nor legally culpable for the killing. We can admit that as well without reveling in the death itself.
But the world is a better place with this abuser dead. We can admit that without simply reveling in the death. The dad is neither morally nor legally culpable for the killing. We can admit that as well without reveling in the death itself.
gutter_trash
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a good parent will defend his kids no matter what.
an awful parent is one who does not react and allows it to continue.
what do you want him to do? pull out a cell and dial 911 when a crime is in progress?
an awful parent is one who does not react and allows it to continue.
what do you want him to do? pull out a cell and dial 911 when a crime is in progress?
TheJollyCorner
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I have a 5 year old little girl who is indescribably precious to me.
Just reading about the very situation of finding someone in the process of doing that to a little girl has me seeing red.
It would just be an incredibly powerful, emotional snap-moment. Impossible to imagine... and frankly I don't even like trying.
Anyone in this thread saying they wouldn't go beserker on the perp in a similar situation would definitely have a hell of a lot more control than I would.
Just reading about the very situation of finding someone in the process of doing that to a little girl has me seeing red.
It would just be an incredibly powerful, emotional snap-moment. Impossible to imagine... and frankly I don't even like trying.
Anyone in this thread saying they wouldn't go beserker on the perp in a similar situation would definitely have a hell of a lot more control than I would.
Been nice if were dead before he traumatized a young girl and her family.
CrazyDogg77
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And your point is?
Neuromancer
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Pretty sure killing a rapist during the act would be considered self defense or defense of another person.
It should earn you a medal. Or at least a trip to Aruba or something.
cutmeamango
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Parental care is pretty much genetics, man.
Forceatowulf
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