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[THE DUCK]

You seem to be the one ignoring things at the most basic level.

Somebody mentioned that it particularly sucks that they did this out of the blue midgen because people could have bought controllers and peripherals based on the earlier policy. They mention they bought a wingman and dualsense they can't use anymore.

You reply to that saying "Nobody here is complaining about controllers from this gen, they are complaining about stuff from 1972"

Wtf is wrong with you?
When I said nobody mentioned old products here and you could buy products from 2021 which would break in november you're going back to Dices post for some kind of gotcha. An apparent gotcha for yourself too in the very same post you replied to.

Like I said, you win. The circle you have created is complete. Now I know why others on here just give up arguing with you, you just make stuff up and reframe with revisionist history, regardless of what actually was said and meant. Feel free to rehash it a third time with yourself - I'm not going to.

 

[Three]

didnt even know there were third party controllers that worked wireless without a dongle in the first place, i would hazard a guess these are dodgy controllers or various things designed to cheat online.

That's not what they're blocking. It's the dongles being banned. There are only 2 non-dongle controllers that aren't MS official controllers. The very expensive Scuf and the Power A which I think they pay a hefty licence for the proprietary wireless interface.

Like I said, you win. The circle you have created is complete. Now I know why others on here just give up arguing with you, you just make stuff up and reframe with revisionist history, regardless of what actually was said and meant. Feel free to rehash it a third time with yourself - I'm not going to.

There is no circle. It's just frustrating that you're ignoring what everybody is saying and continously trying to argue it's the fault of those who have bought some ancient old obsolete tech when it has nothing to do with that.

 

[Little Mac]

Also in Brazil:

Also in Brazil:

 

[Dice]

Just because the stick I am trying to use is from 360 doesn't mean the argument is about using old tech. The adapter to use it, which is for EVERYTHING, is a product this gen. Everyone who wants to use anything not officially licensed, no matter how old or recent it is, will have to use an adapter like that, just like I did when the XBO came out one year after my 360 stick. Supporting a previous gen of hardware has nothing to do with the argument. The only thing I ever said about that was that personally, for me, blocking the adapter will only work out if they add BC for my 360 stick. However if they did that it will still not solve all the people who are blocked from using an adapter for many other accessories for very valid reasons.

There is also no double standard against MS with this. No other company has ever proactively blocked out controller adapters. This is an industry first and has potential to set an anti-consumer precedent. That is another reason to loudly, publicly abandon the platform that does it.

 

[DavJay]

Unless you are using those controllers on eBay from china you should be good.

 

[Miles708]

Wow this is as anti consumer as it gets. Can totally see regulators in EU going after MS, which i hope it'll happen.

Microsoft should go after manufacturers and ask them to either stop selling them or get licensed somehow.
But blocking the end user after he legally bought a piece of legit hardware? Why should anyone defend this stuff? Some guys are weird.

 

[SkylineRKR]

You have a serious problem if you're defending this.

But, I think the title is somewhat wrong. Its not about third party, but about unlicensed stuff. So a Hori Xbox stick or w/e should work fine. But if you have a Brook, which are very good for numerous reasons (i sometimes use it on my PS5 so I can use my Namco PS1 stick), those will likely be banned.

 

[RoboFu]

It’s “UNLICENSED” controllers.

 

[Dice]

Unless you are using those controllers on eBay from china you should be good.

Orrrrr the best fighting sticks, the best racing wheels, the best flight controls, the most durable stick (hall effect) controllers, some of the best custom pro controllers, many custom accessories for people with disabilities. All unofficial. Also anyone who got a pricey and sizable racing setup for PC or PS5 that they would also want to use on Xbox with an adapter so they don't have to spend all that money again and use twice the space in their house.

 

[Dr_Ifto]

Pro-consumer...

 

[Horseganador]

For years it has been allowed and what a "chance" that they block them right now is an ugly detail for consumers but hey, now Xbox can't let go of a penny, over time it will get worse.

 

[nikolino840]

What are those third party that are not turtle razer ecc... the low budget ones on wish?

 

[Aion002]

Xbox this gen:

Start of the gen:

Bethesda acquisition:

Activision acquisition:

Soon?

 

[Killer8]

I swear to god if this blocks my Brook PS5 controller adapter. Microsoft getting jealous that people are using the superior controller on their Xbox.

 

[MarkMe2525]

You can't be serious with this shit The Duck. First of all controller adapters are not old or obsolete tech. A lot of FGC and steering wheel users use them. Secondly you bet your ass if they suddenly decided to ban me from using my TV simply because they wanted to make more money I would be justified in being pissed no matter how in the minority I am. If it's not such a big deal why ban it in the first place?

I can only get behind such moves if they are made to combat cheating. I truthfully don't know if these unlicensed products could be used by nefarious gamers. In saying that, it seems like some blame should go to the companies selling customers product without paying their licensing fees. They gladly charged customers knowing their products were not fully supported and this was a very real possible outcome.

 

[Dice]

Xbox this gen:

Start of the gen:

Bethesda acquisition:

Activision acquisition:

Soon?

I primarily played Playstation for a long time but during PS3 years Sony got arrogant and did a bunch of anticonsumer shit, so I sold it and went PC only for years. Later I got an Xbox One and have enjoyed a lot of stuff Microsoft has done ever since, advocated a lot for them in view of what they were doing on the platform. However, recently they have become arrogant and slipped in more and more anticonsumer things the second they didn't feel like their market existence was threatened. This one move is big enough to tip me over to PC only again since after a massively successful PS4 it seems like Sony is becoming arrogant again as well, but not yet as bad as MS has been becoming the last couple years.

I can only get behind such moves if they are made to combat cheating. I truthfully don't know if these unlicensed products could be used by nefarious gamers.

Almost everything has non-optional crossplay now, so it won't stop you from facing cheaters when playing on Xbox.

 

[Ozriel]

Wow this is as anti consumer as it gets. Can totally see regulators in EU going after MS, which i hope it'll happen.

You cannot be serious. There’s no EU mandate enforcing universal input compatibility with consoles.

Microsoft should go after manufacturers and ask them to either stop selling them or get licensed somehow.
But blocking the end user after he legally bought a piece of legit hardware?

How is it ‘legit hardware’ if it’s unlicensed?

The manufacturers like Brooks are the ones who will undoubtedly work with Microsoft to resolve this.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

We have several officially licensed asymmetrical controllers for PS5, where is the official licensed symmetrical controllers for XSX?

Otherwise I would need to use a Brook adapter which will now be banned.

 

[SenkiDala]

I knew entering this thread it'll be full of retards bitching on MS because it is MS, no argument needed.

Look at them praising Sony for doing the same, that it protects consumers from getting low quality product on PS...

"Buuuut they do it midgen so people might already have bought those shitty controllers"... yeah yeah yeah

 

[MarkMe2525]

Almost everything has non-optional crossplay now, so it won't stop you from facing cheaters when playing on Xbox.

While true to an extent, that would not relieve MS from combating cheating on their platform. I'm speaking generally.

edit: crossplay is a system level feature on xbox. If you are willing to wait longer for matches, it is indeed always optional. Please correct me if i have this twisted, but I'm almost positive my daughter couldnt utilize crossplay if she wanted to.

 

[Mowcno]

Better to block them from the start than to do it later.

 

[ManaByte]

I swear to god if this blocks my Brook PS5 controller adapter. Microsoft getting jealous that people are using the superior controller on their Xbox.

Holy shit, I just realized this kills Chronos and other similar cheat devices. Sony needs to implement this ASAP.

 

[ManaByte]

While true to an extent, that would not relieve MS from combating cheating on their platform. I'm speaking generally.

edit: crossplay is a system level feature on xbox. If you are willing to wait longer for matches, it is indeed always optional. Please correct me if i have this twisted, but I'm almost positive my daughter couldnt utilize crossplay if she wanted to.

COD Warzone REQUIRES crossplay on a COD account level. So, if you disable crossplay on ANY platform (I had it disabled on PS5) it blocks you from matchmaking on Xbox or PC.

 

[ReBurn]

If they broke on their own is one thing, if you go out of your way to detect them and kill them is another thing, but you already know that, don’t you?

Considering any device that gets connected already has to go through a handshake process to work with the console, and has since the day the consoles launched, they aren't exactly doing anything new to go out of their way to detect unlicensed devices. That is unless there's some mention of some large initiative at Microsoft to figure out how to do it, but I suspect it was as simple as adding an error message to an existing key verification process to detect whether a valid license key exists.

The contortions people are going through to paint this as anti-consumer by Microsoft are interesting. Probably people who would jam a random thumb drive they found on a park bench into their Windows PC and complain that Microsoft didn't do enough to keep them safe and protect them from getting their PC hijacked. People want Microsoft to do more to detect and disable devices that compromise the integrity of online play. This is a way to do that.

The anti-consumer entities are the peripheral sellers who are selling unlicensed products for money when they know full well their stuff could stop working at any time. Especially when there's a way for them to ensure that their stuff keeps working by going through an official testing and certification process. Hopefully they made their customers aware of the risk of doing business with them.

 

[Dice]

COD Warzone REQUIRES crossplay on a COD account level. So, if you disable crossplay on ANY platform (I had it disabled on PS5) it blocks you from matchmaking on Xbox or PC.

Also it is important to note "just wait longer for matchmaking" is advice 100% focused on massively popular shooters. The situation with fighters and how their matching works is completely different.

 

[ManaByte]

Considering any device that gets connected already has to go through a handshake process to work with the console, and has since the day the consoles launched, they aren't exactly doing anything new to go out of their way to detect unlicensed devices. That is unless there's some mention of some large initiative at Microsoft to figure out how to do it, but I suspect it was as simple as adding an error message to an existing key verification process to detect whether a valid license key exists.

The contortions people are going through to paint this as anti-consumer by Microsoft are interesting. Probably people who would jam a random thumb drive they found on a park bench into their Windows PC and complain that Microsoft didn't do enough to keep them safe and protect them from getting their PC hijacked. People want Microsoft to do more to detect and disable devices that compromise the integrity of online play. This is a way to do that.

The anti-consumer entities are the peripheral sellers who are selling unlicensed products for money when they know full well their stuff could stop working at any time. Especially when there's a way for them to ensure that their stuff keeps working by going through an official testing and certification process. Hopefully they made their customers aware of the risk of doing business with them.

How many unlicenced games can people play on consoles in 2023?

 

[DryvBy]

Trash Spencer won't be held accountable. His green goblins will someone find this is very pro-consumer and whataboutism Sony.

 

[K' Dash]

Meh, it’s UNLICENSED stuff.

 

[Three]

I can only get behind such moves if they are made to combat cheating. I truthfully don't know if these unlicensed products could be used by nefarious gamers.

Not the particular ones mentioned in the OP. People are trying to tie this issue to things like cronusMax but this issue is broader than that and doesn't even stop things like that if they allow other systems in the same online games anyway.

In saying that, it seems like some blame should go to the companies selling customers product without paying their licensing fees. They gladly charged customers knowing their products were not fully supported and this was a very real possible outcome.

MS may have written somewhere that they have the right to revoke any compatibility whenever they please if it's not officially by them but these type of adaptors have worked for a decade or more and iterations of them have been sold for decades too. Them blocking it is a little unprecedented. It seems more like a move trying to boost hardware revenue, particularly in preparation to potentially launch Sebile early next year. For decades they have not gone after these type of adaptors but they're now actively blocking it and blocking anybody who might have been using other controllers on xbox. Deters any updated adaptor sales with Sebile feature support too. Features they're no doubt adding to xbox and the new adaptors that could support xboxs new featureset with other controllers like the dualsense will not happen anymore. They've killed it before it could. their new controller is likely to be the only way to get any similar new features it may provide.

 

[deriks]

Also in Brazil:

Not really. We're worry as shit, actually. Inflation of games and the government is as shitty as ever

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Such great pro-consumer moves.

From what some are saying its to help crack down on cheating devices so yeah it is indeed a pro consumer move

 

[ManaByte]

From what some are saying its to help crack down on cheating devices so yeah it is indeed a pro consumer move

Now that MS owns COD it doesn't look good on them if their console doesn't block the most popular COD accessory.

 

[Three]

From what some are saying its to help crack down on cheating devices so yeah it is indeed a pro consumer move

The wierd thing is there are absolutely no reports of it blocking cronus or if it even could. The only reports are for legit brook adapters to use other steering wheels, fightsticks and other manufacturers controllers on xbox. Cronus can likely act like a legit connected xbox controller when an xbox controller is connected to it.

 

[MoreJRPG]

Sony is doing the exact same thing with the PlayStation Portal, except it’s for headsets. There’s no Bluetooth support so the only wireless headsets that will work on the Portal are those that use a new protocol called “PlayStation Link” and surprise surprise, the only headset that uses that currently is the Pulse headset.

They’re going to make that technology available to third parties in the future but this is going to come to their console next whether anyone likes it or not. These corpos want to milk every last penny out of everyone and this is just another way to do it.

If you’re buying unlicensed products these companies and affiliates aren’t getting a cut and they don’t like that.

 

[ManaByte]

These corpos want to milk every last penny out of everyone and this is just another way to do it.

People who post this shit weren't around in the PSX/Saturn days when unlicensed controllers could literally fry controller ports, bricking their consoles. Which is why I never would use a third party pad, especially if it was unlicensed.

Blocking unlicensed devices and only allowing licensed stuff ensures that cheat devices that plague COD on console (there are MORE COD cheaters on console now and PC due to that) won't work. It also ensures wonky unlicensed devices made in places like China don't stand a risk of fucking up someone's console and causing that person to call support for a repair.

But hey people think it's their right to be pieces of shit who can't play COD without a controller cheat adaptor.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Considering any device that gets connected already has to go through a handshake process to work with the console, and has since the day the consoles launched, they aren't exactly doing anything new to go out of their way to detect unlicensed devices. That is unless there's some mention of some large initiative at Microsoft to figure out how to do it, but I suspect it was as simple as adding an error message to an existing key verification process to detect whether a valid license key exists.

The contortions people are going through to paint this as anti-consumer by Microsoft are interesting. Probably people who would jam a random thumb drive they found on a park bench into their Windows PC and complain that Microsoft didn't do enough to keep them safe and protect them from getting their PC hijacked. People want Microsoft to do more to detect and disable devices that compromise the integrity of online play. This is a way to do that.

The anti-consumer entities are the peripheral sellers who are selling unlicensed products for money when they know full well their stuff could stop working at any time. Especially when there's a way for them to ensure that their stuff keeps working by going through an official testing and certification process. Hopefully they made their customers aware of the risk of doing business with them.

No no, you are right. MS is the pro-consumer party here. How could we not see that allowing perfectly working Xbox One era steering wheel or newer that require an adaptor (for example) is anti consumer.

I love how you sell it as a move to protect the integrity of online play… curiously only when MS says it is .

 

[MarkMe2525]

COD Warzone REQUIRES crossplay on a COD account level. So, if you disable crossplay on ANY platform (I had it disabled on PS5) it blocks you from matchmaking on Xbox or PC.

Ok, I didn't know there were a few games that required it. Learned somethint

 

[ManaByte]

I love how you sell it as a move to protect the integrity of online play… curiously only when MS says it is

Sony should be doing the EXACT SAME THING. Again, there are more cheaters on PS4/PS5 COD than PC due to the cheap cheat devices and there's no Ricochet for console.

 

[Panajev2001a]

People who post this shit weren't around in the PSX/Saturn days when unlicensed controllers could literally fry controller ports, bricking their consoles. Which is why I never would use a third party pad, especially if it was unlicensed.

Blocking unlicensed devices and only allowing licensed stuff ensures that cheat devices that plague COD on console (there are MORE COD cheaters on console now and PC due to that) won't work. It also ensures wonky unlicensed devices made in places like China don't stand a risk of fucking up someone's console and causing that person to call support for a repair.

But hey people think it's their right to be pieces of shit who can't play COD without a controller cheat adaptor.

Oh no, even more drama about how MS is doing it to prevent our consoles killing players and of course the sanctity of online play which only doing this helps to prevent… I am sure MS has no financial incentives here either right? Then again carrying water for the big U.S. corporation… please continue.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Sony should be doing the EXACT SAME THING. Again, there are more cheaters on PS4/PS5 COD than PC due to the cheap cheat devices and there's no Ricochet for console.

So people cheat more on consoles than PC where NOTHING is done in terms of BS peripheral blocking? Do you hear yourself?

 

[ManaByte]

Oh no, even more drama about how MS is doing it to prevent our consoles killing players and of course the sanctity of online play which only doing this helps to prevent… I am sure MS has no financial incentives here either right? Then again carrying water for the big U.S. corporation… please continue.

You have no frame of reference. You don't know what you're talking about in here and you're the one carrying water for a corporation.

 

[ManaByte]

So people cheat more on consoles than PC where NOTHING is done in terms of BS peripheral blocking? Do you hear yourself?

COD on PC has an anticheat called Ricochet, which actually works very well. It's hilarious to see Twitch streamers being caught live on their stream cheating.

Consoles use a USB device that (until now) hasn't been detectable by the consoles themselves.

 

[MoreJRPG]

People who post this shit weren't around in the PSX/Saturn days when unlicensed controllers could literally fry controller ports, bricking their consoles. Which is why I never would use a third party pad, especially if it was unlicensed.

In all your almighty wisdom, please tell me how a wireless controller will fry USB ports on my PS5? I'd love to hear it.

 

[MarkMe2525]

MS may have written somewhere that they have the right to revoke any compatibility whenever they please if it's not officially by them but these type of adaptors have worked for a decade or more and iterations of them have been sold for decades too. Them blocking it is a little unprecedented. It seems more like a move trying to boost hardware revenue, particularly in preparation to potentially launch Sebile early next year. For decades they have not gone after these type of adaptors but they're now actively blocking it and blocking anybody who might have been using other controllers on xbox. Deters any updated adaptor sales with Sebile feature support too. Features they're no doubt adding to xbox and the new adaptors that could support xboxs new featureset with other controllers like the dualsense will not happen anymore. They've killed it before it could. their new controller is likely to be the only way to get any similar new features it may provide.

Always possible, I have no stats to suggest otherwise. It just doesn't "feel" like these products have a significant marketshare that MS would be clamoring for, but as you alluded to, this could be a move that is setting the stage for some upcoming moves.

 

[King Dazzar]

From what some are saying its to help crack down on cheating devices so yeah it is indeed a pro consumer move

If so, then why only wireless?

 

[Three]

People who post this shit weren't around in the PSX/Saturn days when unlicensed controllers could literally fry controller ports, bricking their consoles. Which is why I never would use a third party pad, especially if it was unlicensed.

Blocking unlicensed devices and only allowing licensed stuff ensures that cheat devices that plague COD on console (there are MORE COD cheaters on console now and PC due to that) won't work. It also ensures wonky unlicensed devices made in places like China don't stand a risk of fucking up someone's console and causing that person to call support for a repair.

But hey people think it's their right to be pieces of shit who can't play COD without a controller cheat adaptor.

How the hell is an online ban going to prevent some dodge electronics from frying your console? The things people say to prevent freedom of choice.

Guess what, cheat devices have not been reported to be banned via this and crossplay means others don't even need devices to mess up your online game anyhow. The reports are for standardised USB devices that let you use your bought controllers, sticks or wheels on xbox. Not for cronus, not for XIM, not some dodgy wiring that will fry your console.

 

[MoreJRPG]

COD on PC has an anticheat called Ricochet, which actually works very well. It's hilarious to see Twitch streamers being caught live on their stream cheating.

Consoles use a USB device that (until now) hasn't been detectable by the consoles themselves.

Now I know you just have no idea what you're talking about. Ricochet is completely useless, and only catches people who use DIY cheats that are either free or sold for pennies. The "streamers" they catch and ban are people who have 12 subs and can't afford to invest more than $5 on something that works. Any cheat provider worth their salt is running cheats that inject BEFORE Ricochet loads. It's a simple process and a reason why Valorant actually has a functioning anti-cheat because it runs on the kernel level and loads in when you start windows. Riccohet only runs when you load up COD so you simply run the cheat program before you start COD and that's that.

In regards to Cronus being "cheating", Cronus is far from cheating, it's more like modding. It's essentially a recoil modifier, I've slapped around hundreds of Cronus users in ranked play over the last few years on my way to Iridescent and Master before it because it takes absolutely no skill to pull down on your right stick slightly to control recoil, the same thing Cronus is doing. If you're crying about Cronus you're just a bad player, in a protected bracket of skill based matchmaking.

Anything else?

 

[ManaByte]

In regards to Cronus being "cheating", Cronus is far from cheating, it's more like modding. It's essentially a recoil modifier

THAT IS CHEATING

 

[MoreJRPG]

THAT IS CHEATING

I can pull down on my right stick and achieve the same thing as Cronus, am I cheating?

Going to reply to the rest of the post?

 

[ManaByte]

I can pull down on my right stick and achieve the same thing as Cronus, am I cheating?

Going to reply to the rest of the post?

Modding a MP shooter in any way with an external device to give you an advantage is cheating.