Unathletic girl who looks like she presses about 10 lbs, runs like Maggie Grace from Taken, and throws a tomahawk like she's never thrown anything in her life beats up group of male Comanche hunters in barehanded MMA match, kills a dozen enormous burly French armed trappers at the same time, defeats superhuman predator in head-to-head medieval duel, and speaks only in smug condescension toward every other character.
Ultra cringe out of 10
You mean that TINY little Asian girl that all the guys let beat them up? It's cute, I'll allow it.
We men just gotta accept these things, it's ok.
No, we don't need to retroactively bash Alien because of a shitty streaming movie of the week.Nah, this movies great.
She never beats the predator head on. She had to trap him... just like arnie did, and she had a bunch of help from her brother and the other idiots getting mowed down by him. Strength factor is literally irrelevant in these movies because all of the predators are orders of magnitude stronger than any human.
She outsmarted the burly old men, took them by surprise and used their weapons against them.
Didn't expect you to have this take on the movie honestly. I mean, if the plot of "a bunch of experienced dues are taken down by an ultra power unknown enemy but the new girl manages to outsmart it" is cringe then we need to retroactively bash Alien.
You mean that TINY little Asian girl that all the guys let beat them up? It's cute, I'll allow it.
We men just gotta accept these things, it's ok.
No, we don't need to retroactively bash Alien because of a shitty streaming movie of the week.
There really isn't a double standard. The "outsmarting" in Prey is paper thin and doesn't correlate to the events of Alien at all.But if the premise is what you're arguing against then there could be a double standard there. Theres a level of stylization and simple "its a movie" logic you have to assume with all of these, but even beyond that, there's much overlap in the premise and execution of the story.
Like, this wouldn't be any more "realistic" if it were the brother doing it, its still a pretty nonsensical notion for one person to beat up any group of 5 or more grown men outside of capes***.
I think simply describing what happens and calling the scene cringe without much elaboration is a bit reductive. But I digress, to each their own. I really enjoyed this movie and actually kinds wanna rewatch it now.
There really isn't a double standard. The "outsmarting" in Prey is paper thin and doesn't correlate to the events of Alien at all.
And yes, it would be more realistic with the brother doing it, since his performance was far more convincing in his role.
Bruh.
She doesn't physically overpower any of them. She invaded when they were packing up to leave, the first guy was free.
Everyone else she slashes in the leg or something first then hits em again to finish them off. A bunch of 50+ year olds taken by surprise and being outmanueavered by someone way more agile than them. Its not at any point a battle of strength, or numbers because they are just figuring out what's happening and thats why she wins.
I mean cmon guys. We got THIS 15 years ago.
If uma Thurmans 180 lb ass can take down 88 grown adult trained ninjas and everyone buys it, naru can do this. And they're both highly stylized too, so that doesnt excuse it either.
Edit: scratch that, it was TWENTY years ago and by one of the most acclaimed directors of all time, who is hardly modern day ""woke""" guy(and I avoid using that term in general). So what has changed in our cultural zeitgeist where now its bad to have cool scenes like this? The action scene is an awesome one take as well, great camera work and well choreographed. I think we need to step outside of ourselves a bit when we analyze these things and ask how much of this modern crazy world is influencing our perspective.
Her character was trained for years for combat and fueled by vengeance. This isn't the gotcha you think it is. What has the character in prey been fighting?
In the hyper-stylized kung-fu fantasy world of Kill Bill, yes, it does. The events of the films are entirely internally consistent with that vision.Being trained for years allows you to be an 140 lb woman and outfight 88 elite assassins at once, while they know you are there, because of vengeance?
I mean, the outsmarting is built up from early on in the film, when she gets trapped in the same pit she leads him into. The narrative is that she acclimated to the environment and learned from what shed already trekked through, and thats what gave her the advantage in addition to the fact the alien didn't consider Naru a threat. Both naru and the Yajuta are on a video game like path of learning, with one facing environmental challenges and being hunted while the other is basicslly goin up the food chain, always the predator but never the prey, and that difference is what decides it.
I think it super cool thematically. But again, open to other ideas i suppose
In the hyper-stylized kung-fu fantasy world of Kill Bill, yes, it does. The events of the films are entirely internally consistent with that vision.
The world presented by Prey is just reality, with a predator alien bolted on.
Ah, I thought you were talking about that Asian assassin girl from MIDR. The Prey character I think works, they just needed to find a more robust and strapping lass to play her. Less "the boys dont want her to hunt" and more "we are all in this together".She's actually Native American/First Nation... I'm not sure what tribe she belongs to but I remember she claims her dad's tribe (who is a legendary Native American stuntman and actor).
Well, there didn't seem to be a rule against women hunting in that tribe, I thought the main thing was that her brother thought she wasn't ready yet.Ah, I thought you were talking about that Asian assassin girl from MIDR. The Prey character I think works, they just needed to find a more robust and strapping lass to play her. Less "the boys dont want her to hunt" and more "we are all in this together".
I dunno, I don't recall any other women hunting and that girl had to be kicked awake several times in the film to go pick berries.Well, there didn't seem to be a rule against women hunting in that tribe, I thought the main thing was that her brother thought she wasn't ready yet.
Yes... that was it. Also, they needed healers... their mother was basically the only one left.Well, there didn't seem to be a rule against women hunting in that tribe, I thought the main thing was that her brother thought she wasn't ready yet.
From the trailers i always had the hunch that it was trash but many people were talking good about it, glad i didn't wasted my time.The hype for this movie was baffling. It was toilet.
All stuff that doesn't work against another trained man.That's what Naru (is that her name?) does. She uses her weight to do takedowns, dodging and other things they teach you in martial arts to make up for where you lack power or strength (body torquing, hip twisting, etc)
that bear fight right!Main issue is that the Predator tanks way too much damage throughout the film. Surely Turok had him beat...
Bruh.
She doesn't physically overpower any of them. She invaded when they were packing up to leave, the first guy was free.
Everyone else she slashes in the leg or something first then hits em again to finish them off. A bunch of 50+ year olds taken by surprise and being outmanueavered by someone way more agile than them. Its not at any point a battle of strength, or numbers because they are just figuring out what's happening and thats why she wins.
I mean cmon guys. We got THIS 15 years ago.
If uma Thurmans 180 lb ass can take down 88 grown adult trained ninjas and everyone buys it, naru can do this. And they're both highly stylized too, so that doesnt excuse it either.
Edit: scratch that, it was TWENTY years ago and by one of the most acclaimed directors of all time, who is hardly modern day ""woke""" guy(and I avoid using that term in general). So what has changed in our cultural zeitgeist where now its bad to have cool scenes like this? The action scene is an awesome one take as well, great camera work and well choreographed. I think we need to step outside of ourselves a bit when we analyze these things and ask how much of this modern crazy world is influencing our perspective.
Just wanted to share these cool BTS clips from Amber Midthunder
At 0:45 if you think for one second that she realistically take the man down by jumping on him like that, even when he has a knife in his shoulder blade, you are really gullible.
I read that as Amber Mid-Turd for a sec and that was a lot more entertaining than Prey.
It is possible to believe that it is possible to do it like that if you have no idea whatsoever on how to bring someone to the ground. If the dude did anything to defend himself (like anyone would do irl), at worst for him they both end up on the ground with him on top of her, and i don't have to tell you how that goes from here, with the 100lbs difference between the two. At best he just tosses her down and proceed to violate her to death with his french canadians buddies.Just watched that scene. It IS possible because 1, he's already injured and not paying attention to her and, 2, she's using momentum and gravity to take him down to the ground. Unless you think any man is just going to brush off the pain of a knife in their shoulder, even YOU would be distracted and in too much pain to be paying attention.
Every man, she hurts them first: Use the pain of the blade to distract them. And she uses her legs to knock them off their balance. Legs are 2-3 times stronger than arms. And every kick she uses is no higher than waist level: one guy at the ankles to knock him down, one guy in the stomach, the ankles guy in the gut to get him off of her...
That whole scene was done smartly. Not once does she use her fists. She uses her legs, gravity, momentum, her knife and ax. Basic jiujitsu with knife fighting and ax work in the choreography.
It is possible to believe that it is possible to do it like that if you have no idea whatsoever on how to bring someone to the ground. If the dude did anything to defend himself (like anyone would do irl), at worst for him they both end up on the ground with him on top of her, and i don't have to tell you how that goes from here, with the 100lbs difference between the two. At best he just tosses her down and proceed to violate her to death with his french canadians buddies.
Legs are in fact 6 times stronger than arms, but it doesn't change the fact that any one those dudes is ten time stronger than the girl, just by living the trapper life.
I'm all for supension of disbelief but it must be somewhat coherent.
I think you are DRASTICALLY downplaying how "just trappers" would be in a fight. Those guys probably got into a brawl every time they went to a tavern and IIRC they were in the side business of indian trapping/slave trade, a knowledge of physical force is a prereq for that gig.They're trappers, not fighters. The girl was trained by her brother... She KNOWS how to fight.
Who's the girl brother, Cus D'amato ?They're trappers, not fighters. The girl was trained by her brother... She KNOWS how to fight. And that dude didn't have 100lbs over her. Maybe 40. He wasn't that big. Midthunder is like 120-125 at 5'4". Look at the fight again. None of those guys is a Paul Bunyan type. They're all lean and older. Not looking particularly muscular either. They might have some muscle but they aren't Ahnuld.
I don't think you're really dissecting the fight scene.
I mean we can disagree but looking at her technique, the choreography is very believable.
Who's the girl brother, Cus D'amato ?
The dudes are supposed to be trappers, which mean at the very least they are rugged outdoorsmen who know how to use a firearm and a knife.
Again, if you think this encounter is realistic, i think that you have no idea of what a fight should look like, even a choreographied and stylized movie fight.
By the way saying "that dude didn't have 100lbs on her. Maybe 40." is a tremendous cope.
You know how much separate the heavyweights from the middleweights in boxing ?
Take a wild guess
that is a very nice looking prey , predator be likeI think you are DRASTICALLY downplaying how "just trappers" would be in a fight. Those guys probably got into a brawl every time they went to a tavern and IIRC they were in the side business of indian trapping/slave trade, a knowledge of physical force is a prereq for that gig.
But mowing down mooks before the boss fight is an action movie trope so I'll allow it. Buuuut, the lead needs to have the physicality to sell it.
But cast this girl and I'm all on board
I'm starting to think there's not that much potential after all. A big part of what made the original movie great was the monster reveal and it took quite some time. You can't achieve the same surprise effect for the second time. Alien and Terminator succeeded with their sequels because they were generally more action focused than the horror-like originals and introduced a bunch of new cool stuff (like the liquid Terminator or the motion trackers). Predator 1 already had plenty of action.The Predator franchise had so much potential. The first one was great, the second one was good, and then one of the biggest cinematic tragedies started to take place: the absolutely awful mismanagment of every single Predator movie that came afterwards.
Bruh.
She's literally overpowering them from 40 seconds on by a guy who can barely hold a tiny little girl with zero convincing athleticism on film. Those kicks knocking the other guy back over and over where she can't even get a full kinetic snap to them. Come on, lol.
Movies really do convince people that this could be reality. She would have had her neck snapped by the guy holding her if they didn't make them fumbling fools for current year.
Good thing this Predator looked like he was inbred to stupidity when his Sloth face was revealed. "Heyyy you guyyyyys"
Ok.She got out of the hold by stabbing the dude in the leg, which, yeah would make most people who aren't highly trained(which this guy was not) stopped holding onto whatever their holding and buckle over in pain.
She's fighting some old fat dudes, not Jason bourne.
Anyone who uses any action films as a Guage for what could be done in reality is an idiot, back and forth. They are all exaggerated, mostly nonsense, or take things that may happen and inflate them to make then exciting. So... im not keen to account for people who can't distinguish movies from real life.
Sure, ok.Ok.
She wasn't fighting your current year dad in a lazyboy. She was fighting grizzled trappers and hunters.
The whole allowing her to kick multiple times cause, "retard man so dumb, retard man fall for same trick 3 time with weapon in hand, me dumb man."
Big boy would have just taken her to the ground and used his weight to compress the last breath out of her 115-120lb self.
To be fair, a gritty Predator movie is different than a Tarentino Kill Bill movie. You cant compare a movie that's supposed to be grounded vs. a farcical action movie. For hell's sake, she's slaughtering endless dudes breakdancing on her ass chopping everyone's foot off and got out of a coffin doing Bruce Lee close quarter chest punches.Sure, ok.
And the 80 dudes could've piled on bride and killed her.
But that wouldn't have been an entertaining action sequence.
What I'm getting at isn't to hyperanalyze every move as if this were an actual fight. If its entertaining, looks cool, is shot well, then it has succeeded in its joh for this kind of movie. In the original predator arnie throws a combat knife with enough force to penetrate a grown man's entire torso, slice through his ribcage, and pin him to the wall behind him.
This is obviously not possible in real life with human strength. But its cool. So it's good. Od take that over the alternative any day.
Thats my approach for these things. Of some folks have more strict considerations then that's fine, but even then the hardly ruins the whole movie.
Yeah, well you now khow it is, every new SF movie with a leading lady has to be compared to Alien, if Ripley can do it, then anyone can.We are comparing this to Alien and Kill Bill?
Dem girl predator designs.....yumthat is a very nice looking prey , predator be like
What weight? She’s like 40kg.That's what Naru (is that her name?) does. She uses her weight to do takedowns
What weight? She’s like 40kg.
Look at how ridiculous the fight against the 3 frenchmen are:
I think you’re just trying to justify how much of a Mary Sue she is.
To be fair, a gritty Predator movie is different than a Tarentino Kill Bill movie. You cant compare a movie that's supposed to be grounded vs. a farcical action movie. For hell's sake, she's slaughtering endless dudes breakdancing on her ass chopping everyone's foot off and got out of a coffin doing Bruce Lee close quarter chest punches.
Either compared to, or they forget she even exists and act like they're pioneering a strong female role in interviews, no matter how shallow the writing and character direction is.Yeah, well you now khow it is, every new SF movie with a leading lady has to be compared to Alien, if Ripley can do it, then anyone can.
Let's agree to disagree then.I know what a fight is supposed to look like. I've been in my fair share. I've also trained in Muay Thai, TKD, Hung Ga Kung Fu and some jiujitsu. That's the background I'm using to judge the fight scenes.
And yes, you're correct that those trappers know how to use those weapons but they were all caught by surprise. Especially the second guy she hit and took down. None of them were prepared for that fight and, like the Predator, didn't think she was a threat. I understood the context of the fight because the whole movie was everyone underestimating her because of her sex and height.
And boxing and martial arts teaches you that momentum, speed and gravity do more damage than strength alone. "Someone with superior technique will always beat someone with superior strength".
I know what a fight is supposed to look like. I've been in my fair share. I've also trained in Muay Thai, TKD, Hung Ga Kung Fu and some jiujitsu. That's the background I'm using to judge the fight scenes.
Good thing this Predator looked like he was inbred to stupidity when his Sloth face was revealed. "Heyyy you guyyyyys"
I guess the movie is in fact ultra realistic.
It was a Yautja from the Retarded Hunter clan