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[Iced Arcade]

People keep saying it’s $48,000/month (or half a million a year). It’s not. It STARTS at that for enterprise rates. That price is for small enterprises. It rises to as much as $210,000 per month for large enterprises, which microsoft would qualify as.

Lol jesussss

 

[mdkirby]

Lol jesussss

Yah, Twitter was also widely used in academia and data analysis, with almost 20,000 academic papers being based on its data in the last 2 years alone. That was when it was free, and provided access to 1% of tweets for analysis, now they want 45k per month for only 0.3% of tweets. There’s not a single academic or institute on the planet who could pay that or justify such cost.

I really don’t know what musk is attempting to achieve other than nobody using their api…which I guess is his possible intent.

 

[adamsapple]

They are. He’s just doing it to save face. Only 28 (yes, 28) people paid for the check mark after the purge and none of them were companies.

It's weird, they gave Wario his blue check back but then took it away again.

 

[Corndog]

And twitter needs to go away.

Why?
Edit: so asking why is funny? Just answer the question.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They are. He’s just doing it to save face. Only 28 (yes, 28) people paid for the check mark after the purge and none of them were companies.

Well that's news to me. But it'd also mean MS and Nintendo were gifted their checkmarks too, right?

 

[K' Dash]

Meh, they’ll be back, people are addicted to the blue bird and they need the exposure.

 

[ManaByte]

Well that's news to me. But it'd also mean MS and Nintendo were gifted their checkmarks too, right?

They never stopped paying the $1K a month.



Sony didn’t want to pay, but they were restored thanks to being over $1M followers.

 

[TheDreadLord]

A lot of people talking about twitter’s downfall and all that but honestly there is no feasible alternative. Twitter is here to stay and I believe that Elon’s end goal is to turn it into something like WeChat where you can do shopping, send/receive money, book tickets, etc. It would fit perfectly with other services that his companies already provide.

 

[mckmas8808]

Alternatively: companies need to pay a platform for the functionality and service they use.

Not when they didn't have to. This is what capitalism is all about.

 

[ahtlas7]

A battle between titans, cool!

 

[mckmas8808]

I think I saw somewhere that Twitter was never really profitable or it made little of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. Regardless, Twitter is a huge platform and companies like Microsoft and Sony use it to great marketing effect. Asking them to pay for that privilege is fair in my opinion.
If a megacorp wants to make a stand for whatever reason against Twitter/Musk, they should migrate to another Twitter-like service. Mastodon was it? Let's see how that turns out for them.

Why would you think MS or Sony needs Twitter so bad?

 

[FullMetalx117]

A lot of people talking about twitter’s downfall and all that but honestly there is no feasible alternative. Twitter is here to stay and I believe that Elon’s end goal is to turn it into something like WeChat where you can do shopping, send/receive money, book tickets, etc. It would fit perfectly with other services that his companies already provide.

I would say twitter is faaar behind becoming WeChat compared to Facebook - WhatsApp/Instagram/FB are already there.

 

[Tsaki]

Why would you think MS or Sony needs Twitter so bad?

The primary way they communicate is through Twitter. Sure they have their own sites and Youtube channels, but no one visits those first to get news. They either give out news directly through tweets or the tweets contain links to the other sites, but Twitter is pretty much always primary in this chain. I mean the vast majority of thread OPs on this site about news in the industry are embedded tweets.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They never stopped paying the $1K a month.



Sony didn’t want to pay, but they were restored thanks to being over $1M followers.

But was it a blue checkmark or a gold checkmark, before it went away? There's also the possibility that they were intending to pay the $1K anyway, but didn't re-up before it went away, so they just had a brief period where they went without a checkmark.

Honestly the whole thing WRT the checkmarks is idiotic but I understand to a degree given how many would like to impersonate brands as popular as PlayStation.

 

[Sho_Gunn]

A lot of people talking about twitter’s downfall and all that but honestly there is no feasible alternative. Twitter is here to stay and I believe that Elon’s end goal is to turn it into something like WeChat where you can do shopping, send/receive money, book tickets, etc. It would fit perfectly with other services that his companies already provide.

Honestly all Elon has to do is just be quiet and let a real team handle Twitter but as of right now it doesn't looks like he'll let that happen. The only alternative i've heard so far is Mastodon but I don't know much about it.

 

[Solarstrike]

I only use Twitter on the shitter. Ttyl

 

[Unknown?]

Fuck Parag Agrawal

Fixed

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Fixed

Let me be clear...Elon Musk doing a dumpster fire of a job does not mean the previous management/leadership did a good job. There is not mutual exclusivity by how shitty Twitter has historically been run. Elon Musk, however, took a steaming pile, lit it on fire, spread it all over the walls, and then asked you to pay for it.

 

[Unknown?]

Let me be clear...Elon Musk doing a dumpster fire of a job does not mean the previous management/leadership did a good job. There is not mutual exclusivity by how shitty Twitter has historically been run. Elon Musk, however, took a steaming pile, lit it on fire, spread it all over the walls, and then asked you to pay for it.

Yeah so losers who felt they could bully people around with their checkmarks were put on an even playing ground. Now checkmarks don't make you special so ego maniacs can't pretend to be on some moral high ground. I support that, but I still do not use it because any improvement to trash is still trash.

 

[dorkimoe]

I cant believe how bad hes fucked up twitter. He has to be the worst businessman on the planet? He had a golden opportunity to basically just make minor tweaks.

Removing 3rd party apps was the biggest fuck up followed by the algorithm completely pushing right wing conspiracies. I really hope he fucks off

 

[Ronin_7]

Sony paying millions for the API so users can share games:

 

[Silver Wattle]

He's making enterprise companies pay for Twitter's data, I don't see the issue here, twitter is well known to have low revenue, so charging companies such as Microsoft(a trillion dollar company) a couple million per year for access to the twitter API seems fair.

Hilarious that we have people in here defending poor enterprise against "bully" Elon.

 

[bitbydeath]

Was this posted?

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/19/23690216/elon-musk-microsoft-ai-lawsuit-threat

Looks to be a dispute between companies, nothing money related.

 

[supernova8]

I cant believe how bad hes fucked up twitter. He has to be the worst businessman on the planet? He had a golden opportunity to basically just make minor tweaks.

Removing 3rd party apps was the biggest fuck up followed by the algorithm completely pushing right wing conspiracies. I really hope he fucks off

Maybe it's that Tesla and SpaceX are able to function without his constant help so now he wants a new "toy", which ended up being Twitter? Definitely not the worst businessman on the planet lol. Drug and oil companies are by the far the west, and by extension their management teams.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That is a waste of money for them.
42k a month is half a million a year for a service, which has no practical benefit for them.
The only one that is benefiting here is Twitter.

Yup.

I'll always remember my prof in university. His background was working at Coke. He taught on the side. So he had real world experience.

You know all those food and beverage shows every big city has at convention centres? Most of the time it's a vendor/retailer show only. But sometimes it's for the general public where a million kiosks promote their stuff. Big company, small company doesn't matter. All booths cost the same. The way these shows price their slots, each booth size costs a different amount.

He said even for Coke, they wouldnt participate in these shows even if it didn't move the marketing budget unless they thought participating in the show was worth doing.

My company is the same. But not as big as Coke. Every retailer has their showcase which suppliers are expected to participate in and it costs money. And time and people to set up and man the booth, including shmoozefests where the VPs feel pressured to stop by too to prove to the retailer we care as the bigwigs walk around and show their face. We only do it for the big accounts. Not worth doing for the small fry shows.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

People keep saying it’s $48,000/month (or half a million a year). It’s not. It STARTS at that for enterprise rates. That price is for small enterprises. It rises to as much as $210,000 per month for large enterprises, which microsoft would qualify as.

Even at a maxed amount of $210,000 per month. That's about $2.5M per year. For MS that's nothing. It's so small, it's a rounding error. They make around $60B profit per year. At that amount, corporations talk in millions. So $2.5M is the difference between talking 60,000 million or 60,002 million.

I think I did my quick math correct. At $60B profit per year, a $2.5M cost would be about 22 minutes worth of profit.

$60,000,000,000 profit per year
= $164,400,000 profit per day (365)
= $6,850,000 profit per hour (24)
= $114,000 profit per minute (60)

$2,500,000 large enterprise fee / $114,000 = 22 minutes

 

[Kdad]

Even at a maxed amount of $210,000 per month. That's about $2.5M per year. For MS that's nothing. It's so small, it's a rounding error. They make around $60B profit per year. At that amount, corporations talk in millions. So $2.5M is the difference between talking 60,000 million or 60,002 million.

I think I did my quick math correct. At $60B profit per year, a $2.5M cost would be about 22 minutes worth of profit.

$60,000,000,000 profit per year
= $164,400,000 profit per day (365)
= $6,850,000 profit per hour (24)
= $114,000 profit per minute (60)

$2,500,000 large enterprise fee / $114,000 = 22 minutes

As an MS shareholder, unless MS is getting 2.5 million in value out of being on Twitter, they shouldn't be on Twitter. Rounding error or not. The negatives of being associated with that platform are very quickly outweighing any positives imo.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

As an MS shareholder, unless MS is getting 2.5 million in value out of being on Twitter, they shouldn't be on Twitter. Rounding error or not. The negatives of being associated with that platform are very quickly outweighing any positives imo.

Fair point and I agree.

But with tech companies with so much money floating around (especially profitable ones), I dont think the typical giant tech company cares about $2.5M. Look how much money they've spent on employee drycleaning and free food.

 

[Zok310]

That sucks. As for PS doing the same, i would be shocked.
PS4 and 5 are designed to increase the players social presence online. Doubt Sony drops it.

 

[Nubulax]

Even at a maxed amount of $210,000 per month. That's about $2.5M per year. For MS that's nothing. It's so small, it's a rounding error. They make around $60B profit per year. At that amount, corporations talk in millions. So $2.5M is the difference between talking 60,000 million or 60,002 million.

I think I did my quick math correct. At $60B profit per year, a $2.5M cost would be about 22 minutes worth of profit.

$60,000,000,000 profit per year
= $164,400,000 profit per day (365)
= $6,850,000 profit per hour (24)
= $114,000 profit per minute (60)

$2,500,000 large enterprise fee / $114,000 = 22 minutes

Especially considering they are out here making a 68 BILLION acquisition after they just made a 7? Billion Acquisition... all for Xbox..... which barely moves the needle in their profits as a company and is pretty insignificant

 

[Nubulax]

As an MS shareholder, unless MS is getting 2.5 million in value out of being on Twitter, they shouldn't be on Twitter. Rounding error or not. The negatives of being associated with that platform are very quickly outweighing any positives imo.

As a fellow MS shareholder... what is your stance on gamepass and xbox then lol and investing close to 80 billion in acquistions

 

[Kdad]

As a fellow MS shareholder... what is your stance on gamepass and xbox then lol and investing close to 80 billion in acquistions

Some investments take time to show returns...so its too early to tell imo on those particular investments. Xbox has ALWAYS been a long term play for MS and continues to be such. Marketing impacts of using Twitter are easier to quantify I'd imagine. I wouldn't be opposed to having MS spin their consumer division off.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Yeah so losers who felt they could bully people around with their checkmarks were put on an even playing ground. Now checkmarks don't make you special so ego maniacs can't pretend to be on some moral high ground. I support that, but I still do not use it because any improvement to trash is still trash.

Having a blue check now actually makes you look stupid as you would pay for that trash to tell people that you pay for Twitter Blue.

 

[Jemm]

Having a blue check now actually makes you look stupid as you would pay for that trash to tell people that you pay for Twitter Blue.

Also, it is now offensive content to point and laugh at Twitter Blue holders:

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Also, it is now offensive content to point and laugh at Twitter Blue holders:

Pathetic. Elon Musk is stupid. No one is ever going to think Twitter Blue is cool. He is even gifting Twitter Blue to dead celebrity accounts like Kobe Bryant.

 

[Three]

Pathetic. Elon Musk is stupid. No one is ever going to think Twitter Blue is cool. He is even gifting Twitter Blue to dead celebrity accounts like Kobe Bryant.

I'd say that's a good thing because his past tweets will remain "verified" instead of looking like an imposter account. 'This mfer' is also offensive language however you slice it.

 

[wolffy66]

Meta is working on a Twitter competitor that uses Instagram credentials. Might have some legs when it's ready.

 

[Hugare]

I've never used Twitter on my PS, and I dont think I know someone who used it at least once

Elon have been making some bold moves for months

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah so losers who felt they could bully people around with their checkmarks were put on an even playing ground. Now checkmarks don't make you special so ego maniacs can't pretend to be on some moral high ground. I support that, but I still do not use it because any improvement to trash is still trash.

Why do YALL have such a hatred for people that had blue checks in the past? It literally makes no sense to me.

 

[mckmas8808]

I cant believe how bad hes fucked up twitter. He has to be the worst businessman on the planet? He had a golden opportunity to basically just make minor tweaks.

Removing 3rd party apps was the biggest fuck up followed by the algorithm completely pushing right wing conspiracies. I really hope he fucks off

Quite the opposite lol! He's one of the best businessmen on the planet. Which is what makes his Twitter purchase and his handling of it all so confusing. He shouldn't have bought it at all! It's not his field. It'll be like what Steve Jobs would look like if he bought McDonalds.

 

[Unknown?]

Having a blue check now actually makes you look stupid as you would pay for that trash to tell people that you pay for Twitter Blue.

Agreed, but it wasn't better beforehand.

Why do YALL have such a hatred for people that had blue checks in the past? It literally makes no sense to me.

They masqueraded around like their opinions were better than anyone else's. They also weren't given out fairly. There were people who didn't get checkmarks because they weren't liked by activists who worked there.

 

[Aenima]

Also, it is now offensive content to point and laugh at Twitter Blue holders:

I dont use twitter so i dunno, but isent that an automated message because of the word "mfer" that is probably included in the database of potential ofensive words?

 

[Jemm]

I dont use twitter so i dunno, but isent that an automated message because of the word "mfer" that is probably included in the database of potential ofensive words?

In the discussion they tested different variations and it seemed to flag only that exact sentence in the quotes.

 

[Aenima]

In the discussion they tested different variations and it seemed to flag only that exact sentence in the quotes.

I guess its something similar to this then

 

[mckmas8808]

They masqueraded around like their opinions were better than anyone else's. They also weren't given out fairly. There were people who didn't get checkmarks because they weren't liked by activists who worked there.

Who are "they" though? Blue checks also went out to corporations and known celebrities.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

I'd say that's a good thing because his past tweets will remain "verified" instead of looking like an imposter account. 'This mfer' is also offensive language however you slice it.

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I am pretty sure they were more triggered about people talking crap about Twitter Blue.

 

[DryvBy]

Glad companies are seeing Elon's cash grab policies. He shouldn't have bought it if this was how bad the users were going to be screwed under his leadership.

It's a checkmark lol. It's not the end of life go not have a checkmark.

Instagram charges for theirs and no one cares.

 

[Kdad]

I'd say that's a good thing because his past tweets will remain "verified" instead of looking like an imposter account. 'This mfer' is also offensive language however you slice it.

What is offensive about mfer? Also...free speech absolutist.

 

[Three]

What is offensive about mfer? Also...free speech absolutist.

I mean, it obviously stands for "this motherfucker" which can be considered offensive language.

 

[Kdad]

Quite the opposite lol! He's one of the best businessmen on the planet. Which is what makes his Twitter purchase and his handling of it all so confusing. He shouldn't have bought it at all! It's not his field. It'll be like what Steve Jobs would look like if he bought McDonalds.

Welll...he backed himself into that corner...sometimes a joke has consequences and this time (one of the few times) he got held responsible for his words.