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Sony Wants To Grow PlayStation By Making Xbox Smaller, Phil Spencer Says

levyjl1988

Banned
Since Phil is so nice. And Xbox wants everyone to have access to all games. Why they don't deliver all games everywhere?
When Sony allows GamePass on Playstation, but Sony is too restrictive. I mean Sony is cracking down huge on censorship and didn’t they have a thing where they didn’t want to allow cross play until they were attacked online and they had to back peddle. At least I can play cross play in NFS Unbound. I remember when Avengers launched and wanted to play with friends on PS, but couldn’t because of Sony’s restrictions.
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
what you call "competing", others call "this is by ball and my court, my daddy bought it, and if I don't win, you're not allowed to play"

so basically, potato / potatoh
Except it isn't, when there's someone who actually WANTS to sell the ball and the court. And the buyer who actually buys the ball and court. From there, if the ball and court owner doesn't want to play nice, they don't have to.

Your analogy sucks.
 

John Wick

Member
If I'm being honest, I also think this deal has more of a chance of being blocked with MS and ABK. Still, the reasons of it being blocked are preposterous! And I don't agree it's inherently bad for the industry at all. Microsoft will keep CoD on all platforms. It ain't going anywhere. But at the same stance, it's much bigger than just CoD.

Regardless of how the deal goes down, it's going to change the gaming landscape in one way or another. This deal will definitely change the dynamics within the status quo, for better or worse.
The deal can go through but it will need some major concessions. There is much more at stake here than just COD.
Also imagine if Sony bought because of the ABK deal, Capcom and Ubisoft? These are just an example. All pro PS people will love it and Xbox fans will hate it. In the end it would remove possibly a host of great games from Xbox. This buying big publishers isn't good for Sony or MS. It will limit games and dev talent.
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
There were studios I didn't even know we're actually part of Xbox in it's earlier years. Appreciate the list

However, there were 6+ years where there were NO acquisitions at all, which also happened to be the time where Microsoft suffered the most.

My point being, they've only just recently started to buy dev houses (with the full backing of Microsoft from 2018) with continued velocity to the point where it actually makes a substantial difference. Before that time, Xbox was seen as a lab experiment or hobby to Microsoft. It's an entirely different ball game now. Xbox is a major pillar for the company today, and it shows enormously, and it's a huge disruptor to the status quo.

If you look at the two lists you can see that, with the exception of Sony's first acquisition in 1993, all of Sony's acquisitions appear to be in response to Microsoft's acquisitions. Microsoft started the acquisition train back in the late 1990's and early 2000's, and they started the exclusivity train back in the 360 era. Based on their acquisitions they should be sitting pretty. The problem, as I initially said, is that they don't manage their studios properly.

Also, Xbox wasn't seen as a lab experiment/hobby prior to 2018. The Xbox 360 era was Microsoft's Golden Age. They were awesome in the Xbox 360 era, and everyone knew it. That you're saying pre-2018 they weren't a major pillar in the gaming industry shows that you either didn't live through the Xbox 360 era, or you are absolutely ignorant about Xbox's history.
 

nowhat

Member
Microsoft isn't locking down 3rd party content anywhere near the velocity Sony does.
Did you watch the "not E3" MS showcase last June? How many of the titles shown were "console launch exclusive"?

An argument can be made for quality vs. quantity, but as far as sheer volume is concerned, MS does what Sonyndon't. (yeah that doesn't work, but I stand by my poor puns)
 
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yurinka

Member
Correction: something Sony and Nintendo CANT do.

there's a huge difference!

And, no. Microsoft isn't locking down 3rd party content anywhere near the velocity Sony does. They tried it before and got raked over the coals! Another reason they decided to go the route their going now.
True, Sony and Nintendo can't buy a company of the size of ABK. And they don't have the need to do so, because they are happy with what they already have, they are both very successful each one on their own way and on their own style.

And yes, MS locked 3rd party console exclusives every generation and continues doing so, even if more recently has been with smaller scale games and less frequently. Plus, as happens in the cases of Sony and Nintendo, most of them are only timed or timed console exclusives. MS now dedicates this time more to acquisitions or to put games on GP (asking them to sign a no PS Plus clause btw).
 

nowhat

Member
didn’t they have a thing where they didn’t want to allow cross play until they were attacked online and they had to back peddle
Sony supported crossplay (to PC) on PS2. During the 360 era, MS completely ignored crossplay. It was only during the One era that it suddenly became an issue.

I really don't do online multiplayer, outside few occasions with select friends, but for those that do - is crossplay really such a big deal?
 

John Wick

Member
Sony Acquisitions:
May 21, 1993 - Psygnosis
December 1, 2000 - Bend Studio
January 22, 2001 - Naughty Dog
August 7, 2002 - Incognito Entertainment
December 7, 2005 - Guerrilla Games
January 25, 2006 - Zipper Interactive
May 15, 2007 - Sigil Games Online Inc
September 20, 2007 - Evolution Studios, Bigbig Studios
March 2, 2010 - Media Molecule
August 2, 2011 - Sucker Punch Productions
January 8, 2019 - Audiokinetic
August 19, 2019 - Insomniac Games
June 29, 2021 - Housemarque
July 1, 2021 - Nixxes Software
September 8, 2021 - Firesprite
September 29, 2021 - Fabrik Games
September 30, 2021 - Bluepoint Games
December 10, 2021 - Valkyrie Entertainment
February 1, 2022 - Lasengle (gaming division of DelightWorks)
March 21, 2022 - Haven Studios
July 15, 2022 - Bungie
August 29, 2022 - Savage Game Studios

Microsoft Acquisitions:
January 11, 1999 - FASA Interactive
April 19, 1999 - Access Software
June 19, 2000 - Bungie
December 5, 2000 - Digital Anvil
May 3, 2001 - Ensemble Studios
September 24, 2002 - Rare
April 6, 2006 - Lionhead Studios
October 12, 2011 - Twisted Pixel Games
June 5, 2012 - Press Play
November 6, 2014 - Mojang
June 11, 2018 - Ninja Theory
June 11, 2018 - Undead Labs
June 11, 2018 - Compulsion Games
June 11, 2018 - Playground Games
November 10, 2018 - inXile Entertainment
November 10, 2018 - Obsidian Entertainment
June 9, 2019 - Double Fine Productions
September 21, 2020 - ZeniMax Media
January 18, 2022 (Pending) - Activision Blizzard

10 of Microsoft's 18 completed acquisitions were made prior to 2018, and 9 of those 10 were completed prior to the start of the Xbox One era (which began November of 2013). That means they completed the same number of acquisitions through the end of 2017 that Sony did, and Sony had been in the console game almost a decade longer than Microsoft. Don't spout bullshit without doing any research.
Audiokinetic isn't a games studio but a middleware company was it not?
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
If you look at the two lists you can see that, with the exception of Sony's first acquisition in 1993, all of Sony's acquisitions appear to be in response to Microsoft's acquisitions. Microsoft started the acquisition train back in the late 1990's and early 2000's, and they started the exclusivity train back in the 360 era. Based on their acquisitions they should be sitting pretty. The problem, as I initially said, is that they don't manage their studios properly.

Also, Xbox wasn't seen as a lab experiment/hobby prior to 2018. The Xbox 360 era was Microsoft's Golden Age. They were awesome in the Xbox 360 era, and everyone knew it. That you're saying pre-2018 they weren't a major pillar in the gaming industry shows that you either didn't live through the Xbox 360 era, or you are absolutely ignorant about Xbox's history.
I remember the history quite well. During the 360 era, they were doing well but still didn't have the financial backing of Microsoft to really contend or compete with Sony, especially in development houses.

Are you REALLY going to sit there and say that Xbox a decade ago is the same Xbox we have today? If that's what you're trying to say, it's you that doesn't know Jack shit about Xbox history, my boy. Xbox was NO PILLAR at Microsoft, even at it's inception.

Today's Xbox literally changed the mantra, "Xbox has no games" to "Xbox has too many games!" The war chest became real AF. Gamepass has become a MAJOR disruptor throughout the entire industry. And MFs literally found religion so they can pray to God that the ABK acquisition doesn't go through without a guilty conscience! Holy shit! Lol

No friend. Today's Xbox is WHOLLY different. It's literally a force to be reckoned with. They went from "not a threat to Sony" to keeping Ol' Jim up at night in cold sweats. That's not to mention Sony fanboys. Some of y'all Broski's developed whole anxiety attacks in this piece. Lol
 
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levyjl1988

Banned
You should have punished your parents. Maybe set your house on fire or refuse to visit them at rhe retirement home.

P.S I'm kidding BTW.
It's not about buying a Playstation, it's about why would I would regress from a comfortable Gamecube Controller for an inferior PS2 Controller. The PS2 controller isn't ergonomic and sucks compared to the almighty Gamecube controller.
 

Gavon West

Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
True, Sony and Nintendo can't buy a company of the size of ABK. And they don't have the need to do so, because they are happy with what they already have, they are both very successful each one on their own way and on their own style.

And yes, MS locked 3rd party console exclusives every generation and continues doing so, even if more recently has been with smaller scale games and less frequently. Plus, as happens in the cases of Sony and Nintendo, most of them are only timed or timed console exclusives. MS now dedicates this time more to acquisitions or to put games on GP (asking them to sign a no PS Plus clause btw).
I stopped reading at " they're happy with what they all ready have".

That's total bullshit! You know damn well if they could afford to purchase entire publishers, needed or no, theyd do it in a heartbeat! Keep that shit 100%, my dude! No need for bullshit.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
You can clearly tell who the PS fanboys are in this thread. At least I’ll get to play Starfield on my Xbox when it releases. Pc players will enjoy it too. PS losses out, now you know that’s how it feels. I’m sick of all the fucking exclusivity deals Sony has with multi platform content in multi-platform games. Fuck off Sony PS. They can’t even keep a good IP going like Gravity Rush and kill the servers, fuck Sony PlayStation.

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It's not about buying a Playstation, it's about why would I would regress from a comfortable Gamecube Controller for an inferior PS2 Controller. The PS2 controller isn't ergonomic and sucks compared to the almighty Gamecube controller.

Maybe you should just rewire your brain and just adapt.

P.S I'm not taking you seriously BTW.
 

DJ12

Member
If you have a decent PC, there's no reason to own an Xbox over a Playstation. Playstation has big high quality exclusives, and Xbox doesn't, and it's been that way for a very long time now.

I used to own an Xbox 360. I loved it. I have nothing against owning an Xbox. But I don't because they've given me no reason to.
You make an interesting point there. If anyone is shrinking xboxs share of the market its Captain Spencer putting all his previous console only stuff on pc for slightly less than he charges xbox owners for the it.

There simply isnt a usp for xbox consoles at the moment.
 
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Sanepar

Member
On
Sony Acquisitions:
May 21, 1993 - Psygnosis
December 1, 2000 - Bend Studio
January 22, 2001 - Naughty Dog
August 7, 2002 - Incognito Entertainment
December 7, 2005 - Guerrilla Games
January 25, 2006 - Zipper Interactive
May 15, 2007 - Sigil Games Online Inc
September 20, 2007 - Evolution Studios, Bigbig Studios
March 2, 2010 - Media Molecule
August 2, 2011 - Sucker Punch Productions
January 8, 2019 - Audiokinetic
August 19, 2019 - Insomniac Games
June 29, 2021 - Housemarque
July 1, 2021 - Nixxes Software
September 8, 2021 - Firesprite
September 29, 2021 - Fabrik Games
September 30, 2021 - Bluepoint Games
December 10, 2021 - Valkyrie Entertainment
February 1, 2022 - Lasengle (gaming division of DelightWorks)
March 21, 2022 - Haven Studios
July 15, 2022 - Bungie
August 29, 2022 - Savage Game Studios

Microsoft Acquisitions:
January 11, 1999 - FASA Interactive
April 19, 1999 - Access Software
June 19, 2000 - Bungie
December 5, 2000 - Digital Anvil
May 3, 2001 - Ensemble Studios
September 24, 2002 - Rare
April 6, 2006 - Lionhead Studios
October 12, 2011 - Twisted Pixel Games
June 5, 2012 - Press Play
November 6, 2014 - Mojang
June 11, 2018 - Ninja Theory
June 11, 2018 - Undead Labs
June 11, 2018 - Compulsion Games
June 11, 2018 - Playground Games
November 10, 2018 - inXile Entertainment
November 10, 2018 - Obsidian Entertainment
June 9, 2019 - Double Fine Productions
September 21, 2020 - ZeniMax Media
January 18, 2022 (Pending) - Activision Blizzard

10 of Microsoft's 18 completed acquisitions were made prior to 2018, and 9 of those 10 were completed prior to the start of the Xbox One era (which began November of 2013). That means they completed the same number of acquisitions through the end of 2017 that Sony did, and Sony had been in the console game almost a decade longer than Microsoft. Don't spout bullshit without doing any research.
Only Bethesda is bigger than all Sony got last 4 years. Abk is bigger than whole PS Studios.
 

Liamario

Banned
Microsoft/Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about capatilism (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are not parts of it. Greed is respected in America where you can become successful by being an asshole.....etc
 
The diminishing returns of motivation to post here are really adding up lately. I have never minded reading different opinions. Its actually the main reason I've always posted here. Its a positive.

But here you're just not reading correctly anything I wrote, despite it being a very short and simple post with no large words. Youre repeating something you've already told me once that was wrong the first time. Youre being unnecessarily rude when I wasn't talking to you or anyone specifically or insulting anyone or even saying the two companies were doing different things. Its just flat out stupid. Literally depressing to read.
If you find a particular poster irritating it is perfectly acceptable to put them on ignore. It will significantly improve your experience here. I do appreciate your posts though and you've been an asset to this community. Please don't leave because of a few annoying people.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
A company that has bought a few medium size studios with one or two IP's that work with them almost exclusively anyway are making a company that bought two massive publishers with multiple large studios and IP libraries small?

Critical Thinking: Remake is still a PS timed-exclusive, I'm afraid.
 

Puscifer

Member
How can Sony make some other gaming console/platform smaller? All that other platform has to do is release some great games.

Oh wait....

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Bro I KNOW! It's almost like the company responsible for the AAA drought on Microsofts systems is none other than Microsoft.
 
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sendit

Member
You can clearly tell who the PS fanboys are in this thread. At least I’ll get to play Starfield on my Xbox when it releases. Pc players will enjoy it too. PS losses out, now you know that’s how it feels. I’m sick of all the fucking exclusivity deals Sony has with multi platform content in multi-platform games. Fuck off Sony PS. They can’t even keep a good IP going like Gravity Rush and kill the servers, fuck Sony PlayStation.
Found the singular individual that utilized Gravity Rush's unknown multiplayer feature.
 

sainraja

Member
I remember the history quite well. During the 360 era, they were doing well but still didn't have the financial backing of Microsoft to really contend or compete with Sony, especially in development houses.

Are you REALLY going to sit there and say that Xbox a decade ago is the same Xbox we have today? If that's what you're trying to say, it's you that doesn't know Jack shit about Xbox history, my boy. Xbox was NO PILLAR at Microsoft, even at it's inception.

Today's Xbox literally changed the mantra, "Xbox has no games" to "Xbox has too many games!" The war chest became real AF. Gamepass has become a MAJOR disruptor throughout the entire industry. And MFs literally found religion so they can pray to God that the ABK acquisition doesn't go through without a guilty conscience! Holy shit! Lol

No friend. Today's Xbox is WHOLLY different. It's literally a force to be reckoned with. They went from "not a threat to Sony" to keeping Ol' Jim up at night in cold sweats. That's not to mention Sony fanboys. Some of y'all Broski's developed whole anxiety attacks in this piece. Lol
And Sony must have done a number on you. Just look at your post....yikes.
 
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Punished Miku

Gold Member
If you find a particular poster irritating it is perfectly acceptable to put them on ignore. It will significantly improve your experience here. I do appreciate your posts though and you've been an asset to this community. Please don't leave because of a few annoying people.
Im not leaving just yet. I just was trying to appeal to people to at least try to be slightly charitable in their conversation. I get that everyone has different opinions. No reason to constantly be at each others throats over it all the time. Its seriously exhausting. Im sure everyone here is a mostly normal person but over the internet people just unload on others for sport. Just annoying sometimes. Anyway, enough derail. Thank you though.
 

vivftp

Member
I fucking hate Sony because they didn't put SoulCalibur 3 on Gamecube. I fucking hate Sony because they made Street Fighter V a PS exclusive and not put it on Xbox especially when the previous games were on the platform before.
Fucking hate this shit.

Is it not true that Street Fighter V likely wouldn't have been made if Sony hadn't stepped in?
 

Topher

Gold Member
Im not leaving just yet. I just was trying to appeal to people to at least try to be slightly charitable in their conversation. I get that everyone has different opinions. No reason to constantly be at each others throats over it all the time. Its seriously exhausting. Im sure everyone here is a mostly normal person but over the internet people just unload on others for sport. Just annoying sometimes. Anyway, enough derail. Thank you though.

Most here are fine. It is the annoying ones who stand out.
 

VN1X

Banned
Phil, I literally sold my Series X last week because the thing has fuck all to play. Bought it in 2021 for 500EU and sold it for 385EU. Literally didn't play a single "WORLD PREMIER EXCLUSIVE" game even because not only do you lack in the output frequency, you also dropped the ball when it comes to quality (see Halo Infinite).
 
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