Loli'd say 15-17 million in 2 years is pretty good. doesn't have to hit 20 million within the first 2 years to sell well. especially considering the fact it's on record to beat the 360 which was their best selling console.
if exclusives coming to PC really made much of a difference, xbox would still be under 10 million sales by this point
Another example is nintendo, if you know where to look and have a capable PC you can emulate all of the switch's 1st party on a computer... yet the switch gravy train isn't stopping and it's fast on its way to dethrone the PS2 as the best selling game console
Wrong. Give me 1080p/60fps with minimum input lag and mouse+kb gunplay over 4fauksK 60fps with more input lag and potato dual sticks gunplay.You only get the Best version on PC if you buy hardware that’s significantly more expensive than a console.
That's a "you problem", not a PC problem.and it can often be inconvenient to hook up your PC to living room TVs.
yes. Because emulation is pretty easy. get the emulator, get the game files, install, playAre you really comparing thr hassle of emulation with pay and play?
Ask yourself this question
Why exclusives exists in the first place?
If you can answer that you got your answer
I can guarantee you loads of people can. Just because the majority can't. A large chunk can. I'm not rich by any stretch of imagination. I got a good pc. Why would I spend more on console games if I can get cheaper a lot cheaper on PC? Give me a reason. Time will tell. Let's Sony do day and date then let's look at those console sales numbers
Lmfaoyes. Because emulation is pretty easy. get the emulator, get the game files, install, play
whether you can find those game files is the hard part
and... 15 mil in under 2 years is good??? this is 2022, the xbox came out in november 2020
That is plainly false.Release console exclusive on PC day and date there is no reason to get a console. Simple as that
you can, for steamon PC you can get a good TV experience too
to be a bit of a PCMR fanboy here, consoles becoming worthless/ceasing to exist would reduce the amount of brainless casuals that buy every new COD and fifa since those people likely don't have the brainpower to operate windows anyways. Seems like a good thing to meHow is not a bad thing. Start listing those pc AAA only games
Yeah I guess my pc connected to my C2 is plainly false. My couch is a lieThat is plainly false.
Xbox games are on PC, yet I buy xbox consoles.
Whoever believes this needs to touch grass.
Not everyone likes to play on their PC all day. Plus couch play is still good way to play games.
That's a very reductive way to look at it. You lose those brain dead people. You lose investment.to be a bit of a PCMR fanboy here, consoles becoming worthless/ceasing to exist would reduce the amount of brainless casuals that buy every new COD and fifa since those people likely don't have the brainpower to operate windows anyways. Seems like a good thing to me
How is not a bad thing. Start listing those pc AAA only games
Makes there no reason to buy consoles and also a waste of time and resources which should be focused on making new games for their real consumer base.
That is the expected response from you buddy.Yeah I guess my pc connected to my C2 is plainly false. My couch is a lie
This is me too. I have a 4090 PC and I have no plan to get rid of my Xbox Series X. And PS5 exclusives day 1 on PC wouldn’t be any different. And I play on Steam Deck too. And Switch. I guess I’m strange.That is plainly false.
Xbox games are on PC, yet I buy xbox consoles.
Whoever believes this needs to touch grass.
Not everyone likes to play on their PC all day. Plus couch play is still good way to play games.
you gain more quality though. a gaming world where everyone who plays games are an enthusiast like you and me would have way better AAA games. gatekeeping exists for a reason, halo infinite, fallout 76, mass effect andromeda, battlefront 2 at launch... they're the result of a hobby and industry that isn't gatekept properly.That's a very reductive way to look at it. You lose those brain dead people. You lose investment.
Look at my broke arse. I can't upgrade my PC, because money is very tight.So....what? Console gamers are going to be suddenly hypnotized into buying/building a $1000+ PC to play games on because the games now exist on PC?
Doesn't work that way. Console gamers will continue to play on consoles because they prefer them. God of War being on PC doesn't change that.
No reason to buy consoles, less consoles sold, less games on consoles, in the end no console
Wrong. Give me 1080p/60fps with minimum input lag and mouse+kb gunplay over 4fauksK 60fps with more input lag and potato dual sticks gunplay.
That's a "you problem", not a PC problem.
Quality has nothing with those stuff.you gain more quality though. a gaming world where everyone who plays games are an enthusiast like you and me would have way better AAA games. gatekeeping exists for a reason, halo infinite, fallout 76, mass effect andromeda, battlefront 2 at launch... they're the result of a hobby and industry that isn't gatekept properly.
When you do gatekeep you get stuff like anime, which i'm sure you like
It's why Xbox is still alive 7 years after completely abandoning the exclusive model
yes. That's why we gatekeep. To get rid of the people who would mindlessly buy those games regardless of if they were good or not.Companies know people would pay for those games, no matter what.
Good luck with that.yes. That's why we gatekeep. To get rid of the people who would mindlessly buy those games regardless of if they were good or not.
It was a good thing 10 years ago. But now there is really no reason to not release it.From a business perspective I think it makes sense to release within eco-system first and on pc later on. But I see no benefit for anyone by permanently keeping exclusives off of pc. My library does not get better or worse when someone else can play the same games as me. And future games will not become better if a platform makes less money from a game than they could have.
I think all console exclusives should eventually become Epic Games Store exclusives
Most of the physical games mean nothing on consoles.I play on consoles cause of physical games which weirdly aren’t supported on pc
I own all of the current console (PS5 Disc, Xbox Series X, Switch and Gaming PC with RX 6900 XT) and mainly play on Xbox. It is a fact, if you have a lower installbase, small games will not be released on that said console. Bigger installbase can reach more people. With a small dev team, which one would you prefer? Look at games like Binding of Isaac for example. The devs simply didnt care about Xbox, got the DLC months later etc. Even something like Rocket League debuted on PS4 first and after a year or so Xbox got it too.Yes, yes, consoles are dead like PC gaming has always been. Get it out of your system and let's move on.
1: the games itself are mostly cheaper on Pyc than on consoles, in the long term this could be in favour for PC gamersYou only get the Best version on PC if you buy hardware that’s significantly more expensive than a console.
Price will always favor the console space and price sensitive consumers will never stop being a thing.
Streaming from your PC has certain compromises for many people.
How does any of this matter to you as a consumer ?
Of course they will "always" exist, but look at the current consoles. Currently we just have "custom" PC hardware with "custom" OS. The time where consoles were something special in hardware terms is long gone IMOThat's BS. There has never been a reason for consoles to even be a thing. Specialty home computers that do one thing? Why would the market want that?
Consoles will always exists, that's a dumb rationalization for console warring.
Steam alone is enough for Couch PC games.you can, for steam
but for games you downloaded/installed from the internet or another launcher, you're gonna have to use your keyboard and mouse. if you only care about playing the games on a TV, yeah it works... but consoles have a UI optimized for controller only use
I don't think better tv use by itself is a good reason to spring for PC over console (nor is it a good reason to claim that PC cannot work with a TV since it clearly can) but it is a factor.
FUI agree with you, but as a non-native speaker, I can't help but notice mistakes like these.
Fewer consoles sold, fewer games on consoles.
I am not sure it actually was a good thing 10 years ago, but I otherwise agree with everything you wrote.It was a good thing 10 years ago. But now there is really no reason to not release it.
Every game is expensive to make now. And you are expecting to get that money back. And it's hard for 1 platform to support that. And if your game flops, you are losing alot of money. Profits aren't that much, since not every copy sells at $70 price. That means less revenue and less profit.
Games currently cost around 100m to 200m to make. Imagine how much it would cost in 5 to 10 years from now.
I think all console exclusives should eventually become Epic Games Store exclusives except for Bloodborne and in that case:
considering he had a run in with the robot devil, i'm sure some of that influence must have rubbed off on himWoah, calm down Satan.
Woah, calm down Satan.
I think the games were cheaper to make during those times. So there was no profit issues.I am not sure it actually was a good thing 10 years ago, but I otherwise agree with everything you wrote.
It might have been good 10 years ago. It also might have been a faulty premise 10 years ago. After all, at one point in time everyone thought the Earth was flat 10 years prior.
Thankfully the people who unironically refer to themselves as part of a master race solely because of the plastic box they own would never succumb to this behavior.Because people on internet forums dont have alot of other qualities outside of their choice of console, so they make it an inseperable part of their identities. If your a sony fan, and other people can play those games that were supposed to be just for you, because sony is a huge part of your identity, you feel less special. Feeling less special makes you lash out on internet forums. It helps that its anonymous so no one actually knows who the fucking cry baby is whining that others can touch their precious exclusives.
Epic Games is cancer to gaming.And just like that, it's easy to show that everyone has silly hang ups on their preferred platform.
Those are good points. In that context it might have been a better move to protect the walled garden at all costs. Not 100% convinced, but I should not dismiss the value of building up a brand when the cost of protecting it was significantly cheaper.I think the games were cheaper to make during those times. So there was no profit issues.
Plus the labor cost was very cheap, compared to now.
Epic Games is cancer to gaming.
Steam rules.
Ignore by bias.
Because we didnt have walled gardens on PC until Epic started their console style moneyhatting.And just like that, it's easy to show that everyone has silly hang ups on their preferred platform.
Because we didnt have walled gardens on PC until Epic started their console style moneyhatting.