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[March Climber]

G4 serves no purpose. Anyone can publish a review or upload gameplay now. The remaining employees would be wise to prepare for their future beyond the company.

There simply does not exist a viable market for their content anymore. If you're looking for in depth coverage of gaming, there are thousands of YouTube channels to cater to that need with lower overhead, more actual knowledge, and a better understanding of their audience. There's not a monolithic "gamer" demographic anymore who will just sit down and watch any general ass thing about video games. Instead there are people with increasingly specialized tastes in content: people who only watch speedrun videos, people who only watch videos on about a specific platform, people who only watch videos about Fortnite or Minecraft, people who only watch weird sexual ASMR videos about Sans from Undertale or whatever, etc. No one wants to watch some middle-aged eternal frat boy do 30 second reviews of the week's big releases. Who could possibly give a shit?

These two posts do a better job of outlining the actual larger issue.

 

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They did it to themselves by allowing garbage like this:




Fuck G4

They really flubbed with that. G4 spent years branding themselves as Spike TV's retarded little brother, with tits and ass promos for their self produced content, b tear "sports" like Ninja Warrior, and just worse and worse content all the time until 3/4 of their daily broadcast was reruns of COPS.

The returning viewers were from the viewerbase they'd built. Frosk was and is right, but if they wanted to do a 180° on branding and style they needed to take a year (or three) to build an audience, expand it, and change the content in an organic way.

And I can only assume the internet discussion they blasted was from reddit, twitter, etc. They should not have engaged with or even acknowledged the peanut gallery from third party fora. They needed to bring back their own forum, set tone and content guidelines over a year or two, and addressed negative and irrelevant commentary from fans through moderation on their own platforms, not with a tirade by a new host on TV bashing a fanbase culture they spent years nurturing.

 

[Timberwolf25]

A sure way to lose an audience is to tell them to stop watching or to tell them the content they make isn't made for you.
I've noticed this seems to be a trend with some content creators who think that it seems to be a good idea somehow.

When you are aiming for a broad or mass appeal audience, it's best not to veer too far into the crazy lane.

 

[Faust]

Is Hololive on Twitch or youtube? Did a search on both and came up with nada.
Edit: found it

Also, G4 was pretty good back in the day when they didn't take themselves or gaming too seriously. The skits from Kevin, Morgan Webb, Oliva Munn, Sara Underwood and others were the reason to tune in. Kevin and Olivia in particular had great chemistry. Same when Adam was paired with Morgan.

HoloLive is the “Brand” owned under the company “Cover”. They have mutiple “generations” of streamers. Usually each year a new group or 4-5 are announced. Super fun, interesting people who, at least from what I have seen, stay very light hearted and hyped about games.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

They really flubbed with that. G4 spent years branding themselves as Spike TV's retarded little brother, with tits and ass promos for their self produced content, b tear "sports" like Ninja Warrior, and just worse and worse content all the time until 3/4 of their daily broadcast was reruns of COPS.

Ninja Warrior was beloved by many. Hardly a “b tier sport”. And yes, people enjoyed tits and ass. Most sane adults do. G4 branded themselves as a hub for popular culture in the nerd/geek world. Focused on hype for tech, movies, and video games. They had eye candy for men and women alike.

The returning viewers were from the viewerbase they'd built. Frosk was and is right, but if they wanted to do a 180° on branding and style they needed to take a year (or three) to build an audience, expand it, and change the content in an organic way.

Frosk was *never* right. Olivia Munn was hired to be easy on the eyes for viewers. As was pretty much every host male or female. This is just a general thing in TV. No one back in the sane days wanted to watch a fat, ugly, unkept (or otherwise) person for hours on end. And people didn’t hate her for not being “Hot”. People hated her for being an incessantly wrong, annoying ass that treated everyone like dirt that didn’t kiss the ground she walked on.

And I can only assume the internet discussion they blasted was from reddit, twitter, etc. They should not have engaged with or even acknowledged the peanut gallery from third party fora. They needed to bring back their own forum, set tone and content guidelines over a year or two, and addressed negative and irrelevant commentary from fans through moderation on their own platforms, not with a tirade by a new host on TV bashing a fanbase culture they spent years nurturing.

No. They need to realize that people don’t want to see social slacktivist morons constantly crying over every perceived slight, insulting the fans, while pushing for scams like NFTs. There is a reason why people fondly remember old G4 and why this is doing poorly. And it isn’t for the reasons you seem to think.

 

[TransTrender]

They did it to themselves by allowing garbage like this:




Fuck G4

Lol fucking what?!
This isn't a member from FFXV's boy band road trip groupie?
This is real life?
LOL get the fuck out of here

 

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Ninja Warrior was beloved by many. Hardly a “b tier sport”. And yes, people enjoyed tits and ass. Most sane adults do. G4 branded themselves as a hub for popular culture in the nerd/geek world. Focused on hype for tech, movies, and video games. They had eye candy for men and women alike.


Frosk was *never* right. Olivia Munn was hired to be easy on the eyes for viewers. As was pretty much every host male or female. This is just a general thing in TV. No one back in the sane days wanted to watch a fat, ugly, unkept (or otherwise) person for hours on end. And people didn’t hate her for not being “Hot”. People hated her for being an incessantly wrong, annoying ass that treated everyone like dirt that didn’t kiss the ground she walked on.


No. They need to realize that people don’t want to see social slacktivist morons constantly crying over every perceived slight, insulting the fans, while pushing for scams like NFTs. There is a reason why people fondly remember old G4 and why this is doing poorly. And it isn’t for the reasons you seem to think.

I don't know why new G4 didn't work, I never watched it. But Frosk talked a lot about negative feedback about her looks, and she is an alt chick. It's been a while since I watched the video, but I don't recall her addressing fans who were saying they didn't like the way she presented content. I addressed what I remember her saying; she said she was addressing fans that said they didn't like her looks. G4 was changing their branding by having her, and very much by letter her make that speech on TV. Not wanting fans that gripe about an alt chick indicates they were targeting a new demographic. Winning a new demographic takes time.

Frosk wasn't all of G4, I never said she was or addressed why it failed. I said G4 shouldn't tell the fans they have to go away before they found new ones.

 

[Northeastmonk]

That lady has the anti-Morgan Webb effect on me. I never got to the point of enjoying her personality before she went off on why a lot of people probably don’t like her. She did herself in.

 

[Timberwolf25]

So they rebranded as Xplay on youtube.
I was still subscribed, but weirdly enough, haven't watched any videos on the channel for a long time now. I think I only caught a couple of vids before realizing it didn't capture the vibe the old shows did.

 

[Rykan]

This is exactly what happen when you hire talentless activist instead of actual competent People, G4 was a business, their main focus should be making money, the moment Frosk start that unprovoken rant, she should be fired instead everyone cheering her

Now you have old People like sessler who i doubt could land another job in the industry, when you are 35+ your job options start to decline, New and cheaper People could bring better numbers, because you become too old to your audience

In the end G4 failed because they are incompenet, their channel was full of old People, who acted like gen z teenagers, so thats full cringe, they never got a decent screenplay, and they shit on their audience

Bullshit. Just straight up bullshit.

I've been familiar with Froskurinn when she was an Analyst and Shoutcaster for League of Legends. She was one of the best and most talented casters in the lineup. Trying to describe as some "talentless activist" is utter nonsense. Froskurinn was very good at what she did.

Even during her time at LoL and the LEC, Froskurinn was frequently the target of harassment because of the way she looked and because of her identity. It's not at all surprising that this behavior carried over to G4, where she was also frequently the target of harassment. Do you have any idea what it's like to constantly have to deal with comments and degrading remarks about the way you look when you're just trying to do your fucking job?

Calling it "unprovoked" is complete bullshit. It's been happening for most of her career. Yet, when she takes one segment to address the issue head on, suddenly she's "Insulting the audience" because apparently, the "audience" is too stupid to realize that not everything has to be about you or is directed at you: If you weren't among the ones harassing her, then that particular segment wasn't for you, was not directed at you and you have no reason to be "insulted" by it. The only thing she actually said during that segment is, stop with the degrading remarks and treat me like a human being. Wow, what a thing to ask for, right?

 

[Gamer79]

G4 got Woke and Got Broke. Good riddance

 

[night13x]

This should surprise nobody. Show went full on woke, led out the door with the frosk incident, and just became a ball of confusing mess after. I saw some semi - recent attack of the show and they seem to be ok - got the right people in place. But I think it was too late and they lost majority of their viewers at that point. It was bound to happen especially when (if I had to guess) were bleeding money with no way to stop the wound. From a business standpoint, there isn't much reason to keep G4 around. Maybe try in 10 years again lol.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

I don't know why new G4 didn't work, I never watched it. But Frosk talked a lot about negative feedback about her looks, and she is an alt chick. It's been a while since I watched the video, but I don't recall her addressing fans who were saying they didn't like the way she presented content. I addressed what I remember her saying; she said she was addressing fans that said they didn't like her looks. G4 was changing their branding by having her, and very much by letter her make that speech on TV. Not wanting fans that gripe about an alt chick indicates they were targeting a new demographic. Winning a new demographic takes time.

Frosk wasn't all of G4, I never said she was or address why it failed. I said G4 shouldn't tell the fans they have to go away before they found new ones.

Which is why you should actually have full context and do research before you make claims like “Frosk was right”. The reason poeple were pissed was because she was dismissing any and all criticism of her actions as people just being pissy that she wasn’t “hot”, which is not the reality.

Bullshit. Just straight up bullshit.

I've been familiar with Froskurinn when she was an Analyst and Shoutcaster for League of Legends. She was one of the best and most talented casters in the lineup. Trying to describe as some "talentless activist" is utter nonsense. Froskurinn was very good at what she did.

Even during her time at LoL and the LEC, Froskurinn was frequently the target of harassment because of the way she looked and because of her identity. It's not at all surprising that this behavior carried over to G4, where she was also frequently the target of harassment. Do you have any idea what it's like to constantly have to deal with comments and degrading remarks about the way you look when you're just trying to do your fucking job?

Calling it "unprovoked" is complete bullshit. It's been happening for most of her career. Yet, when she takes one segment to address the issue head on, suddenly she's "Insulting the audience" because apparently, the "audience" is too stupid to realize that not everything has to be about you or is directed at you: If you weren't among the ones harassing her, then that particular segment wasn't for you, was not directed at you and you have no reason to be "insulted" by it. The only thing she actually said during that segment is, stop with the degrading remarks and treat me like a human being. Wow, what a thing to ask for, right?

No, what is Bullshit is your ignorance on Frosk’s history with League. She was one of the *worst* casters, constantly got the most basic of info wrong, doubled down on it, and never apologized for making a complete ass of her self. She knew less about the game than low tier, newer players who could tell when she made a mistake. There is a reason why people mock her to this day in League. She was *despised* as a caster, actively brought down events she participated in, and made fun events… well not fucking fun!

It was a completely unprovoked, baseless claim made by her and your sad need to try and dismiss reality is very telling.

 

[supernova8]

They must be really frosking at the mouth right now.

Basically the channels/organizations that have people talking down to/ridiculing/insulting their viewers generally don't do very well. Not rocket science. Her being a lesbian who dresses in an unflattering way was just icing on the cake. Obviously the majority of the viewers are dudes and dudes would rather have eye candy than not have eye candy. It's not sexist, if the majority of viewers were women they would probably want to have moderately attractive dudes as hosts.

 

[Rykan]

Which is why you should actually have full context and do research before you make claims like “Frosk was right”. The reason poeple were pissed was because she was dismissing any and all criticism of her actions as people just being pissy that she wasn’t “hot”, which is not the reality.


No, what is Bullshit is your ignorance on Frosk’s history with League. She was one of the *worst* casters, constantly got the most basic of info wrong, doubled down on it, and never apologized for making a complete ass of her self. She knew less about the game than low tier, newer players who could tell when she made a mistake.

It was a completely unprovoked, baseless claim made by her and your sad need to try and dismiss reality is very telling.

Froskurrin was considered to be one of the best casters, even by people who dislike her or dislike things she did such as Thorin and Montecristo. She was a shoutcaster for the LPL (At that time the 2nd best region for League of Legends) before several coaching gigs before she became a shoutcaster for the LEC. She was extremely dedicated to her job, even going as far to create threads on the LoL Subreddit specifically to ask for feedback early on in her career. She's been in this industry for 7 years and was very knowledgeable at the game, regardless of what some clueless scrubs from NA think of her.

 

[Arkangelus0]

Bullshit. Just straight up bullshit.

I've been familiar with Froskurinn when she was an Analyst and Shoutcaster for League of Legends. She was one of the best and most talented casters in the lineup. Trying to describe as some "talentless activist" is utter nonsense. Froskurinn was very good at what she did.

Even during her time at LoL and the LEC, Froskurinn was frequently the target of harassment because of the way she looked and because of her identity. It's not at all surprising that this behavior carried over to G4, where she was also frequently the target of harassment. Do you have any idea what it's like to constantly have to deal with comments and degrading remarks about the way you look when you're just trying to do your fucking job?

Calling it "unprovoked" is complete bullshit. It's been happening for most of her career. Yet, when she takes one segment to address the issue head on, suddenly she's "Insulting the audience" because apparently, the "audience" is too stupid to realize that not everything has to be about you or is directed at you: If you weren't among the ones harassing her, then that particular segment wasn't for you, was not directed at you and you have no reason to be "insulted" by it. The only thing she actually said during that segment is, stop with the degrading remarks and treat me like a human being. Wow, what a thing to ask for, right?

1-She is talentless because if she need to use Drama to boost her carrer, thats a basic sign of how toxic and talentless she is, her work was to be a HOST, and she failed miserably following a screenplay

2-If she was "targeted" because of the way she looked, thats her own fault, she was WORKING A JOB, not going to a party, you need to dress for the ocation, and aparently she dont know the difference

3-it was UNPROVOKEN because she start her rant out of the blue, again she was a HOST and what she did was trully unprofetional, also i así a question

PROVE THE G4 FANBASE HARRASS HER, NOT THE FUCKING TWITTER TROLL, THE G4 FANBASE WHO WAS NEW AT THE TIME

 

[Northeastmonk]

Adam Sessler brings up his age far too often. Age doesn’t or shouldn’t matter if you’re doing a good job. Those people on GameStop TV or IGN’s TV shows sound like robots. “This is awesome. Stay tuned. Here’s another look at…” and etc. You can tell they’re young just by the sound of their voice, but they come off like they’re reading the same script. So I don’t exactly think it’s age related.

IGN has had a couple of “young good looking ladies”, but they also moved on with their career. There were moments where it was like “this doesn’t sound genuine, but you’re good looking” when watching the daily fix or whatever. It was just boner material for gaming news. That’s IGN’s way of doing things since the 90’s.

 

[SegaManAU]

Go woke go broke!

 

[Dlacy13g]

Given what I saw of the new G4TV......this should shock nobody.

 

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Which is why you should actually have full context and do research before you make claims like “Frosk was right”. The reason poeple were pissed was because she was dismissing any and all criticism of her actions as people just being pissy that she wasn’t “hot”, which is not the reality.

So your response to "Frosk was talking about the people calling her ugly" is "no one ever called her ugly."

Sorry I'm going to believe her when she says who she's talking about and what she's addressing.

 

[Rykan]

1-She is talentless because if she need to use Drama to boost her carrer, thats a basic sign of how toxic and talentless she is, her work was to be a HOST, and she failed miserably following a screenplay

"HURDUR drama to boost her career" No. She made a segment because she's frequently the target of harassment and she wanted to address it. You saying it was "Drama to boost her career" is nothing more than a friction of your own imagination.

2-If she was "targeted" because of the way she looked, thats her own fault, she was WORKING A JOB, not going to a party, you need to dress for the ocation, and aparently she dont know the difference

Oh really? What part of the way she "dressed" was so inappropriate that it justifies harassment? Because looking at any random G4 clip shows that everyone is mostly wearing casual clothes and so was she. Feel free to elaborate on what exactly was wrong with the way she dressed.

3-it was UNPROVOKEN because she start her rant out of the blue, again she was a HOST and what she did was trully unprofetional, also i así a question

PROVE THE G4 FANBASE HARRASS HER, NOT THE FUCKING TWITTER TROLL, THE G4 FANBASE WHO WAS NEW AT THE TIME

It's clearly not unprovoked if you're being harassed. There's no reason why she needs to "prove" harassment because there's countless examples of women in this industry being harassed by "gamer boys". She also pointed towards the chat at the time so I imagine there was harassment right there in the moment.

 

[HAYA8U5A]

Who could have possibly seen that allowing some lunatic with a horrible personality to go off on a rant against your original fans would be a bad idea? Shame they couldn't come back and deliver a quality product but even before the Frosk nonsense it was clear it was a trainwreck and after the Frosk nonsense things like the Amouranth stuff just ended up coming across as a pitiful attempt to win back old fans. Sure they still might have failed with a better product and staying true to the origins but at least failing with dignity and making entertaining content is better than what they accomplished. Vic might not get a ton of views but he keeps pumping out videos true to what Electric Playground was from his basement and yet these clowns couldn't figure it out with a lot more money backing them.

On the plus side Frosk got me permanently banned from the literally shaking shithole and I came here so maybe I should thank her for contributing to saving my mental sanity that was slipping away day by day as I read those morons mentally ill takes on everything.

 

[GHound]

Good. Let it die.

 

[supernova8]

Which is why you should actually have full context and do research before you make claims like “Frosk was right”. The reason poeple were pissed was because she was dismissing any and all criticism of her actions as people just being pissy that she wasn’t “hot”, which is not the reality.

I for one am a little sad that we went from E3 booth babes and the various hot hosts on IGN and Gamespot (Yeah Jessica Chobo) to.... ugly biological women and biological men claiming to be women in a matter of a couple of years. What the hell happened?! I mean if you have the choice between eye candy and no candy, people are going to pick eye candy.

 

[Grechy34]

Hopefully that mutt Frosk got the boot.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So your response to "Frosk was talking about the people calling her ugly" is "no one ever called her ugly."

Sorry I'm going to believe her when she says who she's talking about and what she's addressing.

people were onto her shit since the "dead man walking" stunt. no one gives a shit about her looks, more what's (not) inside her brain.
being knowledgeable and fugly is ok, dumb and hot is too, she just happened to take on the both negatives and none of the positives.

 

[Arkangelus0]

"HURDUR drama to boost her career" No. She made a segment because she's frequently the target of harassment and she wanted to address it. You saying it was "Drama to boost her career" is nothing more than a friction of your own imagination.

Oh really? What part of the way she "dressed" was so inappropriate that it justifies harassment? Because looking at any random G4 clip shows that everyone is mostly wearing casual clothes and so was she. Feel free to elaborate on what exactly was wrong with the way she dressed.

It's clearly not unprovoked if you're being harassed. There's no reason why she needs to "prove" harassment because there's countless examples of women in this industry being harassed by "gamer boys". She also pointed towards the chat at the time so I imagine there was harassment right there in the moment.

So where is the proof of her harrasment? SHOW ME
If you make a claim you need to prove the truth, if not is plain lies

From the G4 Community
1-Who harrass her
2-Whats the day, month and year of the incident
3-in which location it happen?
4-what exactly was the incident?
5-was the Police involved?
6-Did she take the matter to court?

SPOILER ALERT, you cant find anything, The G4 Community did nothing, she is only an attention whore who need to make drama to be relevant, and thats Talentless "Celebritys" 101.

Getting mean coments on the Internet by an annonymous troll is hardly harrasment, in fact everyone on the Internet got sexist, honophobic, and racist insults

Frosk made an unscripted unprovoken rant, not even jirard knew at the time, that show how unprofessional she is, try to make a little drama to boost numbers and backfired badly.

if she really wanted to talk about sexism in gaming, she could do a scripted episode, and it could be amazing if she dared talk about taboo topics, but instead choose a rant like a little en Child, and Now she Will be blamed forever for killing G4

 

[Von Hugh]

G4

 

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people were onto her shit since the "dead man walking" stunt. no one gives a shit about her looks, more what's (not) inside her brain.
being knowledgeable and fugly is ok, dumb and hot is too, she just happened to take on the both negatives and none of the positives.

So your response to "Frosk was talking about the people calling her ugly" is "no one ever called her ugly."

Sorry I'm going to believe her when she says who she's talking about and what she's addressing.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They did it to themselves by allowing garbage like this:




Fuck G4

I've never seen G4 ever and had to google what this was all about.

Looks like the channel took a tumble when this Frosk person ranted about sexism politics out of the blue, which gamers didnt like.

Lesson learned: Always be weary about political people representing your company. Frosk might just be a host (not owner or anything), but that still means face time being the face of the show (or company). Extroverted political people are the hardest to muzzle. And if any company wants to limit hassles avoiding politics, it's best not to give them a boost or opportunity by giving them the ability to tell the world their home life crisis. If they want to do after dinner on their Twitter page, nobody can control that. But giving someone a mic is like rolling the dice at a craps table what they will do.

 

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Hey all you people saying Frosk was "wrong all the time," why don't you hate Michael Pachter as much as you hate her? I'm pretty sure he's never been right about anything video game related, has been nothing but a nuisance in gaming media and a leech on the community. He's uglier, too.

 

[Interfectum]

Hey all you people saying Frosk was "wrong all the time," why don't you hate Michael Pachter as much as you hate her? I'm pretty sure he's never been right about anything video game related, has been nothing but a nuisance in gaming media and a leech on the community. He's uglier, too.

She ain’t gonna fuck you bro.

 

[Jennings]

Many people are pouring 40s like G4 just died. The eulogies are premature, all they did was trim fat, and they're still rollin.

I'm sure the next big story from them will be one of unmatched success.

 

[Rykan]

So where is the proof of her harrasment? SHOW ME
If you make a claim you need to prove the truth, if not is plain lies

From the G4 Community
1-Who harrass her
2-Whats the day, month and year of the incident
3-in which location it happen?
4-what exactly was the incident?
5-was the Police involved?
6-Did she take the matter to court?

SPOILER ALERT, you cant find anything, The G4 Community did nothing, she is only an attention whore who need to make drama to be relevant, and thats Talentless "Celebritys" 101.

Yeah no. I don't need to be provided with "Evidence" to believe that a woman who is also a minority and clearly doesn't try to appeal to modern beauty standards for women gets harassed by "Gamers" for her looks on the internet. She went out of her way to address it head on and she has nothing else to gain from it. I've been in this industry long enough to know how many pieces of shit "Gamers" there are.

Getting mean coments on the Internet by an annonymous troll is hardly harrasment, in fact everyone on the Internet got sexist, honophobic, and racist insults

There's a difference between getting called a slur in an online game, and being harassed frequently while you do your job. It's not even remotely the same thing.

Frosk made an unscripted unprovoken rant, not even jirard knew at the time, that show how unprofessional she is, try to make a little drama to boost numbers and backfired badly.

if she really wanted to talk about sexism in gaming, she could do a scripted episode, and it could be amazing if she dared talk about taboo topics, but instead choose a rant like a little en Child, and Now she Will be blamed forever for killing G4

What kind of ridiculous bs is that? First you accuse her of lying about being harassed, and now you're now losing it over the fact that it's "unscripted?" what difference does it make? Literally everyone else who was working there clearly approved of it. Anyone who seriously blames her for "Killing G4" because she spoke out against the harassment she's experienced doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So your response to "Frosk was talking about the people calling her ugly" is "no one ever called her ugly."

Sorry I'm going to believe her when she says who she's talking about and what she's addressing.

Stop playing dumb please. People getting trolled online is not something only this person had to deal with. Why are we even going there?
It was the dumb ass takes and arrogant delivery that put a massive target on her head to direct all the hate to. Everything else is a consequence of it, and the more it visibly triggered her, the more the trolls would push her buttons.
Clearly this person has no business at this line of work, in a public facing setting. Either she gets used to it and grow a thick skin or change to a back office job where there will be no internet exposure.

The role of a media host is to attract people to your content, not to play victim and be openly hostile to their audience.

 

[March Climber]

Anyone who seriously blames her for "Killing G4" because she spoke out against the harassment she's experiences doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Aside from everything else you're arguing for, this quoted part is what I fully agree with. I'm not going to fight a tidal wave like you though, because at the end of the day barely anyone here has been keeping track at what they've been doing there since her speech, and those posters have been tunnel visioned about it ever since the moment occured.

Someone could come on here and clearly explain the business and numbers, yet it will still be spun as Frosk's fault. Because of that I find it a little funny, and I'm a little surprised at which posters came out of nowhere to add gasoline to that fire.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah no. I don't need to be provided with "Evidence" to believe that a woman who is also a minority and clearly doesn't try to appeal to modern beauty standards for women gets harassed by "Gamers" for her looks on the internet. She went out of her way to address it head on and she has nothing else to gain from it. I've been in this industry long enough to know how many pieces of shit "Gamers" there are.

There's a difference between getting called a slur in an online game, and being harassed frequently while you do your job. It's not even remotely the same thing.

What kind of ridiculous bs is that? First you accuse her of lying about being harassed, and now you're now losing it over the fact that it's "unscripted?" what difference does it make? Literally everyone else who was working there clearly approved of it. Anyone who seriously blames her for "Killing G4" because she spoke out against the harassment she's experiences doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Thats life though. Not related only to gaming. Act odd or be outside of the norm and there's chance anyone will poke fun.

I had to google what this incident was all about and watched most of the clip posted above, and I giggled too. Add in the tattoos, nose ring and by the looks of it his two front teeth were knocked out one time so it looks like fake teeth, and it's comical to listen to him rant about sexism.

People got to recognize in life that being unusual can get dirty looks or laughs from people.

You cant tell all of us on GAF you've never laughed at someone in life who was peculiar even though that person was just trying to get through life the way they want.

 

[Arkangelus0]

Yeah no. I don't need to be provided with "Evidence" to believe that a woman who is also a minority and clearly doesn't try to appeal to modern beauty standards for women gets harassed by "Gamers" for her looks on the internet. She went out of her way to address it head on and she has nothing else to gain from it. I've been in this industry long enough to know how many pieces of shit "Gamers" there are.

There's a difference between getting called a slur in an online game, and being harassed frequently while you do your job. It's not even remotely the same thing.

What kind of ridiculous bs is that? First you accuse her of lying about being harassed, and now you're now losing it over the fact that it's "unscripted?" what difference does it make? Literally everyone else who was working there clearly approved of it. Anyone who seriously blames her for "Killing G4" because she spoke out against the harassment she's experiences doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

So you cant provide a single evidence of Frosk claims but we should believe her just because she is a woman? LOL

btw women are not a minority, in fact there are more women then mans in the World

And what difference does it make an unscripted rant? EVERYTHING

On TV you cant do unscripted content, everything need to follow a screenplay, The fact Frosk made her stupid rant without notice, is proof of how unprofessional she is, and thats exactly why Frosk have always issues, in all her Jobs, its not because of her gender or looks, its because of her stupid childish attitude who love and atract drama, She is not a teenager, she is an adult, if some anon troll really did a number of her self esteem, she is not fit to be a host, period

 

[Rykan]

Thats life though. Not related only to gaming. Act odd or be outside of the norm and there's chance anyone will poke fun.

I had to google what this incident was all about and watched most of the clip posted above, and I giggled too. Add in the tattoos, nose ring and by the looks of it his two front teeth were knocked out one time so it looks like fake teeth, and it's comical to listen to him rant about sexism.

People got to recognize in life that being unusual can get dirty looks or laughs from people.

You cant tell all of us on GAF you've never laughed at someone in life who was peculiar even though that person was just trying to get through life the way they want.

This just seems like an attempt to downplay and normalize harassment.

It's not normal to walk up to someone and comment negatively on their looks. It's not normal to send messages on the internet to someone to complain about their looks, and it's not normal to enter a live broadcast chat and complain about the looks of one of the hosts.

Because that kind of behavior is repulsive. There's a world of difference between nudging your mate and smirk after a person passes by and actually confronting said person.

I'm not sure why you keep calling her "him" though? She's a women and I'm pretty sure she's not trans either.

So you cant provide a single evidence of Frosk claims but we should believe her just because she is a woman? LOL

Exactly, I don't need to provide, or be provided with a "Single evidence" to believe that Frokurinn experiences frequent harassment because I've seen it happen while she was working on LoL. Her monologue wasn't directed at anyone in particular and she has nothing to gain from it. The fact that you can't even begin to comprehend that a woman might experience harassment online shows just how out of touch with reality you are.

btw women are not a minority, in fact there are more women then mans in the World

No shit Sherlock. Frokurinn is gay and she clearly goes for an alternative look.

And what difference does it make an unscripted rant? EVERYTHING

On TV you cant do unscripted content, everything need to follow a screenplay, The fact Frosk made her stupid rant without notice, is proof of how unprofessional she is, and thats exactly why Frosk have always issues, in all her Jobs, its not because of her gender or looks, its because of her stupid childish attitude who love and atract drama, She is not a teenager, she is an adult, if some anon troll really did a number of her self esteem, she is not fit to be a host, period

You don't work for G4 and you have no idea what a person can or cannot do while working there. Literally everyone on the set clearly approved of it, judging by the reactions and the fact that they went ouf of their way to promote the clip. "Frosk always has issues" lol mate, what are you talking about? She's been working in this industry for nearly 10 years now. She's been present at some of the largest gaming events in history.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Yo that legit looks like he's having a stroke .. wtf ?

Looks like some sort of peruvian disease, maybe colombian?

Not sure.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Hey all you people saying Frosk was "wrong all the time," why don't you hate Michael Pachter as much as you hate her? I'm pretty sure he's never been right about anything video game related, has been nothing but a nuisance in gaming media and a leech on the community. He's uglier, too.

I'd rather fuck Pachter than frosk.

 

[GooseMan69]

Not surprising. Their viewership numbers on YouTube have been abysmal. It was always gonna be an uphill battle trying to recreate the old glory days. Then you mix in that screeching banshee lecturing the audience, and Sessler shoehorning his politics into every segment, and you have a dead product. They really didn’t even give themselves a chance.

 

[HoodWinked]

its funny cause toxicity is thrown around a lot in gaming but there is never self-reflection when it comes to those part of this new cultish dogma, they're completely insufferable and their toxicity is far beyond anything that came before it. They are perfectly content in burning it all down as long as they get their way how is that not just toxic sludge type behavior.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Porco dio che rosicata.

Italian’s invention of bestemmie is a very interesting historical artefact built in the language and something you cannot even translate in some languages .

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This just seems like an attempt to downplay and normalize harassment.

It's not normal to walk up to someone and comment negatively on their looks. It's not normal to send messages on the internet to someone to complain about their looks, and it's not normal to enter a live broadcast chat and complain about the looks of one of the hosts.

Because that kind of behavior is repulsive. There's a world of difference between nudging your mate and smirk after a person passes by and actually confronting said person.

I'm not sure why you keep calling her "him" though? She's a women and I'm pretty sure she's not trans either.

Not normal in face to face meetings because people dont have the balls (nor wants to get punched in the face), but on the internet it is. You even have good looking people getting ragged against on the net for being too sexy (which is more of a jealousy thing than a personal insult).

Think of the internet as tons of people (which nobody in real life would encounter that many people at once on the street) smirking at once. It's really a game of numbers. Of course no weird people on the street will get 100s or 1,000s of people smirking. Thats because as they walk down the street, maybe only 20 people see him or her. And most of those people might be in cars, so you dont see (nor would they post a message) of who they saw on the sidewalk. So it's not just numbers, but accessablity of viewers to type something fast on the net.

Also, you arent going to get many people on the street hassling each other because people are minding their own business. That video comes from a game site and you got a panel of people in the room talking and interacting with viewers looking for attention. So hey, they got the attention they wanted, which in this case was a turn off. You never know, manybe it could had been received favourably and increase viewers, but it was the opposite.

She's a woman. News to me. Looks at acts trans to me at first impressions.

And you didnt answer my question whether you've done your share of laughing at people when they look or act weird. I've done my share of watching a YT clip of redneck fat people at Walmart acting like slobs even though they are just acting normal how they are. So you cant say youre a saint yourself.

 

[Haggard]

G what?

 

[Rykan]

Not normal in face to face meetings because people dont have the balls (nor wants to get punched in the face), but on the internet it is.

Are you being serious here, bro? You think the only reason people don't openly mock people for their looks constantly because they "Don't have the balls for"? Seems like a pretty fucked up worldview to me.

You even have good looking people getting ragged against on the net for being too sexy (which is more of a jealousy thing than a personal insult).

Think of the internet as tons of people (which nobody in real life would encounter that many people at once on the street) smirking at once. It's really a game of numbers. Of course no weird people on the street will get 100s or 1,000s of people smirking. Thats because as they walk down the street, maybe only 20 people see him or her. And most of those people might be in cars, so you dont see (nor would they post a message) of who they saw on the sidewalk. So it's not just numbers, but accessablity of viewers to type something fast on the net.

Okay but what is your point? The fact remains that she's experienced frequent harassment to the point that she took a short segment to speak out against it. You'd think that people would express anger or at least some form of resentment against people who harass others online. Instead, we see a group of people being angry at froskurinn because she spoke out against it. I don't understand the obsession with the segment. People are blaming the downfall of G4 on Froskurinn because she asked people to stop harassing her.

She's a woman. News to me. Looks at acts trans to me at first impressions.

And you didnt answer my question whether you've done your share of laughing at people when they look or act weird. I've done my share of watching a YT clip of redneck fat people at Walmart acting like slobs even though they are just acting normal how they are. So you cant say youre a saint yourself.

Sure, but there's a clear difference between laughing at a youtube video and actually going out of your way to contact said person, wouldn't you agree?

 

[drganon]

Doesn't surprise me. G4 can't really exist in today's world the way they used to.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Are you being serious here, bro? You think the only reason people don't openly mock people for their looks constantly because they "Don't have the balls for"? Seems like a pretty fucked up worldview to me.

Okay but what is your point? The fact remains that she's experienced frequent harassment to the point that she took a short segment to speak out against it. You'd think that people would express anger or at least some form of resentment against people who harass others online. Instead, we see a group of people being angry at froskurinn because she spoke out against it. I don't understand the obsession with the segment. People are blaming the downfall of G4 on Froskurinn because she asked people to stop harassing her.

Sure, but there's a clear difference between laughing at a youtube video and actually going out of your way to contact said person, wouldn't you agree?

Sure I'm serious. I bet every person who uses the net, goes on social media or forums has criticized or laughed at more people than doing it to someone's face.

The point is if people act weird (which she does) and jump in with politics (which a lot gamers just want to focus on games), then expect feedback. Game sites, video game hosts and YT shows want interaction. So whether it's good feedback or negative feedback, if they are in media looking for it, then they'll get it. And whether thats a comments section or emailing or contacting Frosk on Twitter because media personalties probably have all their contact info out there, then they'll get it.

I just googled Frosk and the first thing that pops up is Twitter. The third and fourth are her official site and then her Twitch page. With so many people using social media, contacting someone publicly posting their social media pages is not going out of their way. It's right there.

On the other hand, if you wanted to harrass me, all you can go on is PMing me. You dont know my name, Linkedin account, or FB page. You'd have to go out of your way to do detective work to find who I am. And you'd never even find me on Instagram, Twitch, Pinterest or Twitter because I dont even have a profile on those sites. I'm not out there looking for followers or media feedback. People like Frosk are.

 

[March Climber]

StreetsofBeige I think your argument and examples about how Frosk is viewed under real life vs internet should actually apply to living somewhere like LA or Seattle vs living somewhere like New York or Austin TX.

It sounds like you're applying your lived experiences and surrounding area as an overall majority, when someone who lives in a west coast area around an environment where people might consider Frosk rather tame in appearance, would highly disagree with your take.

Yes, Frosk would look very out of place in a ton of southern US states and cities. Frosk would not look out of place on the west coast or even Chicago for that matter.