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The Last Of Us Part 1 - Improvements Listed

drezz

Member
Tess is in her early-mid 30s, she isn't an old lady. It wouldn't make sense an old lady would be able to take down gangs and have the stamina of Tess.
What?
I didnt say anything about her being a old lady.
But I rather have the "old self" back from propper lou 1.(Also Joel is 50 ish and he is able to take down gangs and shit..
just cant go prone
)
Same with spiderman 1 on PC, Mod his old face back instead of that instagram kid.

Should be as easy as the NA option for bayo, pick and choose if they want the face changed.
Mods will do doh, so its just fine.
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
Tess is in her early-mid 30s
No.

I am whining because i havent played a single next gen game on my $500 console since Ratchet in June of last year. Everyone should be whining.
Wendy Williams Yes GIF by The Network/La Red
 

Moses85

Member
Tess is in her early-mid 30s, she isn't an old lady. It wouldn't make sense an old lady would be able to take down gangs and have the stamina of Tess.
So you think women in a post apocaliptic world look like hot chicks, using make up and dressed with the fanciest cloth?

Happy Simon Cowell GIF by America's Got Talent
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
So you think women in a post apocaliptic world look like hot chicks, using make up and dressed with the fanciest cloth?

Happy Simon Cowell GIF by America's Got Talent's Got Talent

Using Naughty Dog logic, girls also have time to take anabolic steroids and question their gender identity in a post apocalyptic world

I think they could fit “try and not look like trailer park trash” somewhere in there as well
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Which part of this post mentions TLOU2?


I am talking about the Uncharted 4 remaster here where they really did just double the framerate from the Pro version while downgrading the visuals. PS4 Pro version runs at 1440p 30 fps. The PS5 version runs at 1440p 60 fps. The native 4k version is capped at just 30 fps.

Meanwhile Kojima took the 4kcb 30 fps version of Death Stranding on the 4.2 tflops Polaris GPU and turned it into a native 4k 60 fps version. Doubling not just the resolution but also the framerate while offering PC extreme quality graphics settings. ND only managed to doubled either the resolution or the framerate while downgrading the visuals. Which part of this is incorrect?

People who dont read my posts correctly and shake their heads have only themselves to blame.

No, you're actually talking about both games in your entire argument.

Don't remember?

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing.


Why would you use the word "EVEN" if you weren't talking about BOTH games? I read your post. You just forgot that you mention both games. That's your fault, not mine.

And we would've never seen this half-ass release 5-10 years ago?

The Last of Us Remaster wasn't a huge leap over the PS3 version. They used the same assets and just made minor changes. The same thing goes for the Nathan Drake Collection.

These remasters/remakes are low-budget projects and you think Naughty Dog wanted to go all out. This project wasn't even started by ND and I'm sure the Legacy of Thieves Collection was developed by a very small team at Naughty Dog.

On one hand, you can't agree that Naughty Dog should use their devs on more meaningful projects and at the same time complain that they didn't do enough on this project. There are certainly some half-ass projects out there and this doesn't come close to a lot of the remasters\remakes we have seen in the past with small teams.
 

Moses85

Member
Using Naughty Dog logic, girls also have time to take anabolic steroids and question their gender identity in a post apocalyptic world

I think they could fit “try and not look like trailer park trash” somewhere in there as well

I am visiting the gym daily for 45 minutes up to 1 hour (in my office time)

If judgment day will come and I dont have to work anymore, and wont be able to plsy videogames anymore, I will look like to survive against Zombies or Clickers
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ChiefDada

Gold Member
Using Naughty Dog logic, girls also have time to take anabolic steroids and question their gender identity in a post apocalyptic world

What's so unbelievable about a female desiring to pack on muscle during an apocalypse? I have seen stocky framed women who could easily look like this should they find themselves needing to train 24/7.... I do think that other topic was presented a bit too on the nose for my liking, but hey that's what they went with.
 

James Sawyer Ford

Gold Member
What's so unbelievable about a female desiring to pack on muscle during an apocalypse? I have seen stocky framed women who could easily look like this should they find themselves needing to train 24/7.... I do think that other topic was presented a bit too on the nose for my liking, but hey that's what they went with.

Because any anabolic steroids in short supply would be preferentially given to men instead

Abby is the most jacked character in the entire series, and is even large by female bodybuilder/steroid abuser standards. It’s wildly out of place
 
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drezz

Member
havent played a single next gen game on my $500 console since Ratchet in June of last year
Im bit in the same boat.
Mostly been other PS4 couch Co-op games with family and friends when they have come on over.
The "PS5" patches have done great for thoose games doh, but "PS5 ONLY" games im willing to pay good money for is few and far inbetween.
Games I've bought on PC and VR isn't that high since I bought my PS5 either... maybe im just growing old.
 

drotahorror

Member
Sure, but that isn't all casting directors though. Some directors will even tell the casting director that they don't want famous faces as they feel the recognizability will take away from the story or a audience will typecast the role so to speak, like assume who is a good guy, bad guy etc.

So I don't disagree that of course "hollywood" likes to cast like that often, that doesn't mean all directors, studios, casting directors etc all actually seek that or look for that or something. If anything, that happening there, doesn't mean it should be in gaming btw.

I want the character to look like what ever the artist had in mind, not a company looking to just bank by having a bunch of instagram models in the game to sell, sell, sell lol

So I agree with you that such a thing happens, but its not an excuse to keep that practice alive in another medium trying to justify it here or something. @Yoboman is correct on this one, its developers discretion as it should always been. I get it happens in hollywood a lot, but lots of shit happens there that I don't think we should be supporting, backing or continuing in gaming. As an artist myself, when I make a character in a story in terms of art, I'm focused on how that person looks like in my mind, not based on marketing to tictok or instagram or making them look like fashion models.

I want the reader to believe this is a real world thing happening, not a fucking picture of a CW show lol For me personally, that shit in hollywood takes me out of it and I prefer method acting and casting to fit a role and idea vs "pretty" for the sake of it to sell tickets or some shit.

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So I get it, someone that looks like this would be considered ugly by many and many would argue some "agenda" if Naughty Dog made someone look like this as a character, but the film Monster's job was to sell you on this persons life and the role of the character, not to fucking selling you make up, porn, fashion shit etc

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Same actor, different roles, different goals.

Have a good one.

Christina Ricci was in that and I"d fuck the fuck outta here anyday.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Odin convinced Baldur that a Giant/Jötnar knew the secret to cure Baldur of his “sickness” of feeling nothing. The Giant who Odin was referring to was Kratos’s wife, who had been dead by the time Baldur arrives, and he mistakenly thinks Kratos is the Giant he’s looking for, hence why he says “I thought you’d be bigger”.

EDIT : Apologies, it’s very off topic, I thought I was on a GOW thread for a second, it’s late here and I’m tired.
Wait, was she physically a giant, bigger than Kratos? She doesn't look abnormally big when they're burning her corpse. 🤷‍♂️
 

OOGABOOGA

Banned
So you think women in a post apocaliptic world look like hot chicks, using make up and dressed with the fanciest cloth?

Happy Simon Cowell GIF by America's Got Talent's Got Talent
Why not, she can always grab some guccies or yeezys from the mall!! Tess didn't wear makeup, but why can't she apply makeup if she had access to it, like based on what exactly!! It's way more believable than Abby growing six packs and biceps 🤣 Yall act like you experienced what's it's like to live in a post-apocalyptic world before or were invaded by aliens 🤣 Her and Joel were banging she might have wanted to look pretty for him. Tess and Joel weren't on the run 24/7, They lived in a quarantined zone.
 
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Wait, was she physically a giant, bigger than Kratos? She doesn't look abnormally big when they're burning her corpse. 🤷‍♂️

As far as Baldur and Odin were aware she was a Jotnar/Giant in terms of her race, so because of that they assumed she was big in size but she wasn’t. If you remember from the games lore, the Jotnar are not all giants in terms of their size.
 

OOGABOOGA

Banned
Nah, Tess was always supposed to be in her late 30s/early 40s, while Joel is not quite 10 years older (who has been confirmed to be in his late 40s in Part I).
That's so untrue. There was nothing that confirms her age. Judging by the way she looked and her stamina, she seems to be in her early-mid 30s. When the game came out in 2013 her voice actress was 35yo.
 
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Venuspower

Member
That's so untrue. There was nothing that confirms her age.

While they did not say an exact age there were developers at the time who said that she was in her late 30s/early 40s.


When the game came out in 2013 her voice actress was 35yo.

And Ashley Johnson was 30 and Troy Baker was 37.... What does that tell us? The age of the actors of the videogame characters tells us absolutely nothing. How about we look at the ages of the HBO actors instead. And lo and behold. Anna Torv is 43 and was 42 during filming :p
 

Venuspower

Member
Source or never happened.

Why don't you find the source on your own? I'm not going to waste my time and look for some Twitter post or video snippet from 2013 where it's mentioned in an aside. Where do you think all the statements on the WWW come from that Tess is in the age range I mentioned?
 

Fake

Member
Because any anabolic steroids in short supply would be preferentially given to men instead

Abby is the most jacked character in the entire series, and is even large by female bodybuilder/steroid abuser standards. It’s wildly out of place

All the part II feels out of place. Abby using anabolic steroids in a world with low supply, Ellie living in a desert house with her girlfriend and child destroying all the purpouse of the post-apoc plot from the series, I mean people live in colony to avoid those monsters plus they make scout around the colony to make them safety, but I guess zombies are not more a problem anymore at that point of the game lore.

But again, let part II fans evade that theory.
 
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sendit

Member
All the part 2 feels out of place. Abby using anabolic steroids in a world with low supply, Ellie living in a desert house with her girlfriend and child destroying all the purpouse of the post-apoc plot, I mean people live in colony to avoid those monsters plus they make scout around the colony

But again, let part2 fans evade that theory.

Agreed. Even the entire premise of the first game felt out of place. Imagine a little girl and a old man taking out hordes of clickers and faction of armed militants. So UNREALISTIC!
 

OOGABOOGA

Banned
Why don't you find the source on your own? I'm not going to waste my time and look for some Twitter post or video snippet from 2013 where it's mentioned in an aside. Where do you think all the statements on the WWW come from that Tess is in the age range I mentioned?
I tried and I found nothing. Something like the age of character must be mentioned in the game or backed up with official information from Sony or naughty dog, but there is nothing confirms her age on the internet or the game. I could come up with litterally any bullshit and say devs said that and go find it yourself, this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard of. You either post your source or keep your mouth shut from spreading misinformation. for all we know judging by the way she sounds and looks she is early-mid 30s, she was attractive young and badass and now they made her look like a weak grandma who is 2 steps away from the grave. I have no problem if she was orginally designed like that, but this is not Tess anymore it's a whole different person.
 
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Why not, she can always grab some guccies or yeezys from the mall!! Tess didn't wear makeup, but why can't she apply makeup if she had access to it, like based on what exactly!! It's way more believable than Abby growing six packs and biceps 🤣 Yall act like you what's it's like to live in a post-apocalyptic world before or were invaded by aliens 🤣 Her and Joel were banging she might have wanted to look pretty for him. Tess and Joel weren't on the run 24/7, They lived in a quarantined zone.
That sums up my issue with Abby in LoU2 ...if they had just made her look like a extremely strong and fit woman that woulda been cool, but instead they made her look like Miss Apocalypse USA. It's rediculous that a woman in a setting like this with such limited resources would be that big and even if it's physically possible, it's really unlikely. This was about Naughty Dogs woke politics most likely the reason they scrapped the way she originally looked for this out of place looking Arnold Swartzenegor wannabe.
 
Thread needs to be brought back to what matters the most: the Graphics!

(there's some bait for ya'll)

But for real- nobody has yet been able to convince me of any improvements in this over LoU2. Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for a ps5 Naughty Dog exclusive remake of a 2013 game to NOT be head and shoulders over LoU2?

Someone was saying they think they're using RT reflections but there's no way ND wouldn't have used that to help sell this game. The character models might be ever so slightly cleaner in cutscenes but I care about gameplay more than that and I'm not seeing any texture improvements or lighting changes. Maybe shadows will be great for once in a ND game? There's gotta be something, right?
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
That sums up my issue with Abby in LoU2 ...if they had just made her look like a extremely strong and fit woman that woulda been cool, but instead they made her look like Miss Apocalypse USA. It's rediculous that a woman in a setting like this with such limited resources would be that big and even if it's physically possible, it's really unlikely. This was about Naughty Dogs woke politics most likely the reason they scrapped the way she originally looked for this out of place looking Arnold Swartzenegor wannabe.
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Then how were these guys able to stay this big during the outbreak?
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Thread needs to be brought back to what matters the most: the Graphics!

(there's some bait for ya'll)

But for real- nobody has yet been able to convince me of any improvements in this over LoU2. Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for a ps5 Naughty Dog exclusive remake of a 2013 game to NOT be head and shoulders over LoU2?

Someone was saying they think they're using RT reflections but there's no way ND wouldn't have used that to help sell this game. The character models might be ever so slightly cleaner in cutscenes but I care about gameplay more than that and I'm not seeing any texture improvements or lighting changes. Maybe shadows will be great for once in a ND game? There's gotta be something, right?
It's there. You're just choosing not to see what's obviously there.
 
It's there. You're just choosing not to see what's obviously there.
You gotta be more specific than that ...looks basically identical to Part 2 to my eyes...if anything the screenshot you just posted of the guy attacking Ellie w/an axe looks better than anything they've shown of Part 1.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
You gotta be more specific than that ...looks basically identical to Part 2 to my eyes...if anything the screenshot you just posted of the guy attacking Ellie w/an axe looks better than anything they've shown of Part 1.
TLOU Remaster used textures from the PS3 version.
TLOU 2 used a lot of low-quality textures because of the memory that was on the PS4 Pro.

Do you want to say they used low-quality textures in the remake?
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
That sums up my issue with Abby in LoU2 ...if they had just made her look like a extremely strong and fit woman that woulda been cool, but instead they made her look like Miss Apocalypse USA. It's rediculous that a woman in a setting like this with such limited resources would be that big and even if it's physically possible, it's really unlikely. This was about Naughty Dogs woke politics most likely the reason they scrapped the way she originally looked for this out of place looking Arnold Swartzenegor wannabe.
Im surprised she actually have time for gym workout with all the constant scouting, raiding and hunting.
 

Venuspower

Member
I tried and I found nothing. Something like the age of character must be mentioned in the game or backed up with official information from Sony or naughty dog, but there is nothing confirms her age on the internet or the game. I could come up with litterally any bullshit and say devs said that and go find it yourself, this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard of. You either post your source or keep your mouth shut from spreading misinformation. for all we know judging by the way she sounds and looks she is early-mid 30s, she was attractive young and badass and now they made her look like a weak grandma who is 2 steps away from the grave. I have no problem if she was orginally designed like that, but this is not Tess anymore it's a whole different person.


Ah yes, and your posts are not misinformation? Where does your source come from? Because it just smells like speculation to me. Is it really so surprising that such unimportant information as the age of a secondary character who dies in the first 60-90 minutes of the game is difficult to find on the internet?

Ah yes, and your posts are not misinformation? Where does your source come from? Because it just smells like speculation to me. Is it really so surprising that such unimportant information as the age of a secondary character who dies in the first 60-90 minutes of the game is difficult to find on the internet? For years, no one talked about it. Suddenly a bunch of cry babies are picking up on that character's age because they still haven't processed that Naughty Dog didn't bring the game with Part II that they have been developing in their dreams for years.

Where do you think the common understanding that Tess is in her late 30s - early 40s comes from? Even various news articles explicitly state this and you will find countless of other sources on the internet that are several years old wehere Tess' age is also mentioned.





(Check the comments for this one. TLOU Wiki also mentioned her name back then)
 
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OOGABOOGA

Banned
Ah yes, and your posts are not misinformation? Where does your source come from? Because it just smells like speculation to me. Is it really so surprising that such unimportant information as the age of a secondary character who dies in the first 60-90 minutes of the game is difficult to find on the internet?

Ah yes, and your posts are not misinformation? Where does your source come from? Because it just smells like speculation to me. Is it really so surprising that such unimportant information as the age of a secondary character who dies in the first 60-90 minutes of the game is difficult to find on the internet? For years, no one talked about it. Suddenly a bunch of cry babies are picking up on that character's age because they still haven't processed that Naughty Dog didn't bring the game with Part II that they have been developing in their dreams for years.

Where do you think the common understanding that Tess is in her late 30s - early 40s comes from? Even various news articles explicitly state this and you will find countless of other sources on the internet that are several years old wehere Tess' age is also mentioned.

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(Check the comments for this one. TLOU Wiki also mentioned her name back then)

You do realise anybody can edit wiki right LOL
 
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TLOU Remaster used textures from the PS3 version.
TLOU 2 used a lot of low-quality textures because of the memory that was on the PS4 Pro.

Do you want to say they used low-quality textures in the remake?
Lol ...you think there won't be low quality textures in the Remake? Don't get me wrong that would be welcome and indeed might help to separate this project from the last gen LoU2, but you're going to be sorely mistaken if you think there won't be low res textures in it. Part 2 has great texture work for a ps4 pro game with the only low res textures being in distant lods. Even Ratchet on ps5 has low res textures in places, especially in the distance with its lods, just like LoU2 and every single game that's not the Matrix Demo.

Sorry dude but try harder. You're just wishful thinking right now. Again, how do you explain that the picture you posted of Part 2 looks better than anything we've seen from Remake? I'll give you a hint: it was from the doctored e3 version. The final game didn't look that great, sadly. Now, doesn't it stand to reason that ND should, on ps5 withal essentially to all its features and without being held back by the ps4, be able to match or exceed the e3 2018 demo?
 

ZywyPL

Banned
am whining because i havent played a single next gen game on my $500 console since Ratchet in June of last year. Everyone should be whining.

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You honestly thought they'll all of a sudden abandon 120M userbase and focus solely on just a mere fraction of that? We've been discussing this over and over in the infamous "next-gen speculation" thread, that the cross-gen period will last two years at least, if no three. Just enjoy the games we get now for what they are, the next-gen-only stuff will come soon enough.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
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You honestly thought they'll all of a sudden abandon 120M userbase and focus solely on just a mere fraction of that? We've been discussing this over and over in the infamous "next-gen speculation" thread, that the cross-gen period will last two years at least, if no three. Just enjoy the games we get now for what they are, the next-gen-only stuff will come soon enough.
No i got played by liars who promised me next Gen horizon, miles, gow and gt7. All announced as ps5 games.

Don’t defend lying execs who are fleecing tens of millions of next Gen owners who spent $500 to play last gen games.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Lol ...you think there won't be low quality textures in the Remake? Don't get me wrong that would be welcome and indeed might help to separate this project from the last gen LoU2, but you're going to be sorely mistaken if you think there won't be low res textures in it. Part 2 has great texture work for a ps4 pro game with the only low res textures being in distant lods. Even Ratchet on ps5 has low res textures in places, especially in the distance with its lods, just like LoU2 and every single game that's not the Matrix Demo.

Sorry dude but try harder. You're just wishful thinking right now.
You don't get it.

When Digital Foundry covers video games and they say, "This game uses 4K textures" or "High quality textures" does that mean the game will NOT have any low resolution textures?

No.

The Last of Us Remake/Remaster clearly uses higher quality textures while The Last of Us Part II textures are lower quality.

You're the one telling people you're seeing NO improvements to textures.

Again, how do you explain that the picture you posted of Part 2 looks better than anything we've seen from Remake? I'll give you a hint: it was from the doctored e3 version. The final game didn't look that great, sadly. Now, doesn't it stand to reason that ND should, on ps5 withal essentially to all its features and without being held back by the ps4, be able to match or exceed the e3 2018 demo?

I used the screenshot from the 2018 demo because I was specifically talking about the character's size. Carefully read the text below the image.

Then how were these guys able to stay this big during the outbreak?

Show me where I was using that screenshot to compare graphics.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
You don't get it.

When Digital Foundry covers video games and they say, "This game uses 4K textures" or "High quality textures" does that mean the game will NOT have any low resolution textures?

No.

The Last of Us Remake/Remaster clearly uses higher quality textures while The Last of Us Part II textures are lower quality.

You're the one telling people you're seeing NO improvements to textures.



I used the screenshot from the 2018 demo because I was specifically talking about the character's size. Carefully read the text below the image.



Show me where I was using that screenshot to compare graphics.
Nah, you screwed yourself with that image. Posted out of context yes, but it disproves your theory that TLOU remake looks better than TLOU2 because of the PS5 allowing higher res textures and more detailed character models. Clearly, the bullshot footage from 2018 running on the Pro still looks better than anything they have shown for the TLOU remake.

You are arguing semantics while missing the bigger picture which is literally staring you right in the face. The game simply doesnt look as good as the original TLOU2 footage let alone anything remotely next gen.
 

sendit

Member
What?
I didnt say anything about her being a old lady.
But I rather have the "old self" back from propper lou 1.(Also Joel is 50 ish and he is able to take down gangs and shit..
just cant go prone
)
Same with spiderman 1 on PC, Mod his old face back instead of that instagram kid.

Should be as easy as the NA option for bayo, pick and choose if they want the face changed.
Mods will do doh, so its just fine.

No one is going to mod old Tess's face on to the remake for the PC. If they do, i'll buy you gold. You have a better chance of seeing nude mods.
 
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