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[alabtrosMyster]

Massive improvements but the mere thought of Dualsense haptics on TLOU1 got me like

Yup, as someone who goes from xbox Series controllers (on PC) and the DS5 I find the vibrator feature less pleasing on the xbox controllers, it just doesn't hit the right spot.

Which is something I never thought I would say!

 

[ShaquilleOatmeal]

You can't call this a definitive edition if it doesn't have Factions.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

There is zero reason for game development to be funnelled into just good looking people. Hollywood is like that because it's full of image obsessed narcissists and they are selecting actors based on a small pool of good looking people who got through based on looks and not talent.

Well, it depends.

I think that these days there is a group of people who do their best to look ugly to get attention, and to some degree this is a return of the yesteryears freak show (bearded woman anyone?). and the whole manipulative "inclusion" by the woke mob.

Not true. Hollywood is like that because they know it sells. People just like attractive people. Attractive people are perceived as smarter, more positive, stronger, and/or all around better at first impression. It's a privilege that isn't lost on most of the world.

Holy crap, I mean having people going in a big adventure in bikinis with their hair all arranged would just work, especially if you intend to be somewhat realistic.

Let people set the tone of the games they make to represent the moods they want to represent.

 

[Come On Tars]

Someone gotta know if it's got the brutal gore system from 2?

 

[EDMIX]

Someone gotta know if it's got the brutal gore system from 2?

I want to know that too. Its hard to tell as they are not shooting at some areas where like a leg would come off or something, but i feel if it was that, they'd have shown it and talked about it or something. Maybe its overlooked or they got another video coming or something. Who knows.

 

[GymWolf]

Someone gotta know if it's got the brutal gore system from 2?

We can only hope.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

Tlous part 1 with part 2 gameplay
Take my pants

They never stated that, they say that they modernised gameplay and the combat is redone. They never sayd the gameplay will be on par with TloU2. That the gameplay would mimmic TloU2 is created on the chesspool what is internet and almost everybody run with it., Turning his words in what people expect from this Remake is selective reading.
And the "hate" after TloU2 agains ND is not helping.

 

[Dizzan]

No need to write a new script/screenplay.

No need for a cinematographer.

No need for early character design etc.

No way this should be full priced.

 

[SLB1904]

They never stated that, they say that they modernised gameplay and the combat is redone. They never sayd the gameplay will be on par with TloU2. That the gameplay would mimmic TloU2 is created on the chesspool what is internet and almost everybody run with it., Turning his words in what people expect from this Remake is selective reading.
And the "hate" after TloU2 agains ND is not helping.

Yeah that was my assumption. Oh well. I l have more things to do than hate on video games honestly

No need to write a new script/screenplay.

No need for a cinematographer.

No need for early character design etc.

No way this should be full priced.

But it is, just have to deal with it

 

[Black_Stride]

Yup, as someone who goes from xbox Series controllers (on PC) and the DS5 I find the vibrator feature less pleasing on the xbox controllers, it just doesn't hit the right spot.

Which is something I never thought I would say!

This game will likely have full DualSense support on PC.
A bunch of games that have DualSense support on PS5 these days now come with full support on PC too.

You could save yourself some headache of switching controllers by just using you DualSense on both devices.

 

[DonJorginho]

Someone gotta know if it's got the brutal gore system from 2?

it has got some version of it looking through the footage yes.

not sure if it's completely identical but I've seen full enemy dismemberment from explosions with the blood spray, enemies begging when almost dead like TLOU II and one of the same headshot textures as TLOU II

 

[Knightime_X]

I've never played the original NOR the remaster.
I'll give the game a shot.
I've seen the ending to part 2 and thought it was extremely lame.
I'll play after DEEP discount.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

This game will likely have full DualSense support on PC.
A bunch of games that have DualSense support on PS5 these days now come with full support on PC too.

You could save yourself some headache of switching controllers by just using you DualSense on both devices.

Nah, this is a headache to switch and the xbone/series controllers are a dime a dozen on fb marketplace.

It's not like I hate the Xbox controllers

 

[PanzerAzel]

They never stated that, they say that they modernised gameplay and the combat is redone. They never sayd the gameplay will be on par with TloU2. That the gameplay would mimmic TloU2 is created on the chesspool what is internet and almost everybody run with it., Turning his words in what people expect from this Remake is selective reading.
And the "hate" after TloU2 agains ND is not helping.

It's not selective reading, it's perfectly valid deductive reasoning.

"Modernized gameplay". When they are speaking of modernized gameplay in relation to the TLoU franchise, that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that the most modern gameplay found in these games (TLoU II) would be the point of comparison. They don't need to explicitly state, 'It's going to have TLoU II's gameplay and combat' when they make such a statement, modernized gameplay states exactly the same thing. That people now need to scramble to hide behind the absence of the explicit is only a desperate attempt to absolve Sony and ND of their responsibility in blatant deceptive advertising to try to justify a $70 price point.

Granted it's not out yet and we've only small snippets, but even then what's shown is a far cry from such modernization that TLoU II held in the gameplay and combat above the original. TLoU II is a massive improvement over it in every respect, not only in the flow of the action and mechanics, but the conveyance of the brutality, humanity, and horror of the violence. Nothing that was shown in these leaks was even remotely close to the second game.

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

It's not selective reading, it's perfectly valid deductive reasoning.

"Modernized gameplay". When they are speaking of modernized gameplay in relation to the TLoU franchise, that would lead any reasonable person to conclude that the most modern gameplay found in these games (TLoU II) would be the point of comparison. They don't need to explicitly state, 'It's going to have TLoU II's gameplay and combat' when they make such a statement, modernized gameplay states exactly the same thing. That people now need to scramble to hide behind the absence of the explicit is only a desperate attempt to absolve Sony and ND of their responsibility in blatant deceptive advertising to try to justify a $70 price point.

Granted it's not out yet and we've only small snippets, but even then what's shown is a far cry from such modernization that TLoU II held in the gameplay and combat above the original. TLoU II is a massive improvement over it in every respect, not only in the flow of the action and mechanics, but the conveyance of the brutality, humanity, and horror of the violence. Nothing that was shown in these leaks was even remotely close to the second game.

No you are wrong, modernized gameplay is not bound to TloU2, thats what you and many others make of it. Theyr are enough games now that have modernized gameplay when you compair them to games from 9-10 years go, TloU remaster had exactly the same gameplay as the original. TloU remake has not, the gameplay is now more on today standards, this is what you dont understand.

 

[PanzerAzel]

No you are wrong, modernized gameplay is not bound to TloU2, thats what you and many others make of it. Theyr are enough games that have modernized gameplay then games from 9-10 years go, TloU remaster had exactly the same gameplay as the original. TloU remake has not, the gameplay is now more on today standards, this is what you dont understand.

How so?

Until ND brings out a trailer (as they just did) explaining how the gameplay has been "modernized" and the combat "redone", I'm not wrong. Wouldn't these changes, as drastic as they've been alluded to, be shown in their video? I saw new assets (which are significant) and revamped AI (and forgive me for being skeptical here given what the leaks showed, though I'll grant them the benefit of the doubt for now that it was on easy difficulty). Not only do we have the leaks to go off of in showing us what is lacking, we have the neglection of these touted changes in the video they've put out when it would be an obvious selling point to mention. That's not a good sign.

 

[Dizzan]

Yeah that was my assumption. Oh well. I l have more things to do than hate on video games honestly


But it is, just have to deal with it

No, I just have to not pay full price. I'll wait for a discount, as most people seem to be doing.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the remaster generation and wish all these resources were put into developing new experiences.

 

[mysticboy]

Should've made a prequel.

 

[SLB1904]

No, I just have to not pay full price. I'll wait for a discount, as most people seem to be doing.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with the remaster generation and wish all these resources were put into developing new experiences.

That's literally what dealing with it means lol

 

[saintjules]

 

[TacoSavage]

druckmann basically got too excited and mispoke a little bit initially hence why execs and devs need to be very careful with their words when teasing or previewing a game because you're going to be quoted into oblivion afterwards for months

i just pre-ordered this morning and this will be my third time buying last of us and i'd probably buy it a 4th time to support games of this kind, period.

It's a $70 premium price, if you think it's too high which it kinda is then wait for a sale or buy used, problem solved

 

[saintjules]

Gameplay leak

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

WTF is this dev smoking?

No comparison between PS3 and PS5?

Thats not the question.

IS THERE A COMPARISON BETWEEN PS4 (TLOU2) AND PS5 (TLOU1 Remake)?????

Yes, there is! And it's not favorable to the remake.

SlimySnake these new ND devs are embarrassing themselves

 

[SlimySnake]

WTF is this dev smoking?

No comparison between PS3 and PS5?

Thats not the question.

IS THERE A COMPARISON BETWEEN PS4 (TLOU2) AND PS5 (TLOU1 Remake)?????

Yes, there is! And it's not favorable to the remake.

SlimySnake these new ND devs are embarrassing themselves

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing. 1440p 60? really? The Pro was 1440p 30 fps and the best you can do with a 10 tflops next gen rdna 2.0 console with an 8 core 16 thread cpu is simply double the framerate at the same exact resolution? Vick pointed out several downgrades in IQ as well. So the Pro version of Uncharted 4 still looks the best. Unacceptable.

 

[ShakenG]

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing. 1440p 60? really? The Pro was 1440p 30 fps and the best you can do with a 10 tflops next gen rdna 2.0 console with an 8 core 16 thread cpu is simply double the framerate at the same exact resolution? Vick pointed out several downgrades in IQ as well. So the Pro version of Uncharted 4 still looks the best. Unacceptable.

Holy s**t, your name should be changed to whinysnake. Never change.. i guess.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing. 1440p 60? really? The Pro was 1440p 30 fps and the best you can do with a 10 tflops next gen rdna 2.0 console with an 8 core 16 thread cpu is simply double the framerate at the same exact resolution? Vick pointed out several downgrades in IQ as well. So the Pro version of Uncharted 4 still looks the best. Unacceptable.

Don’t worry……

Still plenty of time for an uncharted: Nathan Drake - Parts 1-4: Legacy of burglars: enhanced 4K (1440P upscaled) it’s not Indiana Jones collection

I love uncharted, ive platinumed all of them apart from lost legacy, but you’re right. They need to leave this and TLOU for a while. Factions could be a time sink for them though. I am really looking forward to factions though, I just can’t pay £70 for TLOU again right now. Too many other games I have to play, I’ll play that again in a good few years.

 

[SlimySnake]

Holy s**t, your name should be changed to whinysnake. Never change.. i guess.

Who let Drunckmann in here?

 

[DForce]

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing. 1440p 60? really? The Pro was 1440p 30 fps and the best you can do with a 10 tflops next gen rdna 2.0 console with an 8 core 16 thread cpu is simply double the framerate at the same exact resolution? Vick pointed out several downgrades in IQ as well. So the Pro version of Uncharted 4 still looks the best. Unacceptable.

So, you didn't see all the low quality assets that were in TLOU 2 on the PS4 Pro?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Gameplay leak

He survives all that and then a 9 iron takes him down?

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Gameplay leak

He should have chopped off his head instead, Unsatisfying kill

 

[Ulysses 31]

Gameplay leak

I'm still unclear what Baldur wanted from Kratos at that point, was he just picking fights?

Been a long while since I played the game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm still unclear what Baldur wanted from Kratos at that point, was he just picking fights?

Been a long while since I played the game.

I think Baldur was looking for someone that could kill him. It’s also been a while since I played the game.

 

[SlimySnake]

So, you didn't see all the low quality assets that were in TLOU 2 on the PS4 Pro?

I was literally the only one who did and triggered a bunch of people here f your pointing it out, but i also understood it was due to the limitations of the ps4 gpu. No sympathy for them when they insist on using the same assets on the ps5.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I'm still unclear what Baldur wanted from Kratos at that point, was he just picking fights?

Been a long while since I played the game.

Spoiler: Game ending spoilers

Odin convinced Baldur that a Giant/Jötnar knew the secret to cure Baldur of his “sickness” of feeling nothing. The Giant who Odin was referring to was Kratos’s wife, who had been dead by the time Baldur arrives, and he mistakenly thinks Kratos is the Giant he’s looking for, hence why he says “I thought you’d be bigger”.

EDIT : Apologies, it’s very off topic, I thought I was on a GOW thread for a second, it’s late here and I’m tired.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Spoiler: Game ending spoilers

Odin convinced Baldur that a Giant/Jötnar knew the secret to cure Baldur of his “sickness” of feeling nothing. The Giant who Odin was referring to was Kratos’s wife, who had been dead by the time Baldur arrives, and he mistakenly thinks Kratos is the Giant he’s looking for, hence why he says “I thought you’d be bigger”.

EDIT : Apologies, it’s very off topic, I thought I was on a GOW thread for a second, it’s late here and I’m tired.

That makes sense. I thought it was something like that.

 

[DForce]

I was literally the only one who did and triggered a bunch of people here f your pointing it out, but i also understood it was due to the limitations of the ps4 gpu. No sympathy for them when they insist on using the same assets on the ps5.

You're comparing to TLOU 2 on PS4 at 1440p/30fps with low quality assets. You're saying they just doubled the framerate, which isn't true at all. These types of comments will literally have people shaking their heads, so you can't blame anyone for replying to your posts.

 

[ChiefDada]

You're comparing to TLOU 2 on PS4 at 1440p/30fps with low quality assets. You're saying they just doubled the framerate, which isn't true at all. These types of comments will literally have people shaking their heads, so you can't blame anyone for replying to your posts.

Lol, I've tried in vain to understand his position on this game but gave up soon after...

Came across more evidence suggesting use of RT in the recent trailer. Notice the clouds and building reflections in the car windows. I went back to check if they were used in TLOU2 and can confirm no dynamic reflections on windows; the most we got was baked lighting for sun representation. Most if not all of the windows were conveniently too dusty to give off reflection.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Look at this faithful improvemeent and 3D enhancement

 

[ChiefDada]

Look at this faithful improvemeent and 3D enhancement

Why haven't you been issued a permaban yet??? You are the worst character I've come across throughout this entire forum, by far.

I'm familiar enough with your antics to know that you're being sarcastic here, but you shouldn't be. The upgraded model looks fantastic.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Why haven't you been issued a permaban yet??? You are the worst character I've come across throughout this entire forum, by far.

I'm familiar enough with your antics to know that you're being sarcastic here, but you shouldn't be. The upgraded model looks fantastic.

No, the upgraded model look hideous. She isn't badass or cool anymore. she just looks like a grandma who is about to break any moment.

 

[rodrigolfp]

No, the upgraded model look hideous. She isn't badass or cool anymore. she just looks like a grandma who is about to break any moment.

Are you mocking grandma fetishes of some people?

 

[ChiefDada]

No, the upgraded model look hideous. She isn't badass or cool anymore. she just looks like a grandma who is about to break any moment.

Well, considering the circumstances of that very moment, it's appropriate for her to be emotionally broken.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Well, considering the circumstances of that very moment, it's appropriate for her to be emotionally broken.

Physically

 

[drezz]

Look at this faithful improvemeent and 3D enhancement

Bet we will get Tess back in her old self as a PC mod shortly after release.
And replace all the 4x2 with golf clubs while we are at it.

 

[SlimySnake]

You're comparing to TLOU 2 on PS4 at 1440p/30fps with low quality assets. You're saying they just doubled the framerate, which isn't true at all. These types of comments will literally have people shaking their heads, so you can't blame anyone for replying to your posts.

Which part of this post mentions TLOU2?

yeah this was posted several pages ago. thats when i went on my rant about the current state of ND. ND used to be perfectionist. You wouldve never seen a half ass release from them 5-10 years ago. Even the Uncharted remaster is kinda embarrassing. 1440p 60? really? The Pro was 1440p 30 fps and the best you can do with a 10 tflops next gen rdna 2.0 console with an 8 core 16 thread cpu is simply double the framerate at the same exact resolution? Vick pointed out several downgrades in IQ as well. So the Pro version of Uncharted 4 still looks the best. Unacceptable.

I am talking about the Uncharted 4 remaster here where they really did just double the framerate from the Pro version while downgrading the visuals. PS4 Pro version runs at 1440p 30 fps. The PS5 version runs at 1440p 60 fps. The native 4k version is capped at just 30 fps.

Meanwhile Kojima took the 4kcb 30 fps version of Death Stranding on the 4.2 tflops Polaris GPU and turned it into a native 4k 60 fps version. Doubling not just the resolution but also the framerate while offering PC extreme quality graphics settings. ND only managed to doubled either the resolution or the framerate while downgrading the visuals. Which part of this is incorrect?

People who dont read my posts correctly and shake their heads have only themselves to blame.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Bet we will get Tess back in her old self as a PC mod shortly after release.
And replace all the 4x2 with golf clubs while we are at it.

Tess is in her early-mid 30s, she isn't an old lady. It wouldn't make sense an old lady would be able to take down gangs and have the stamina of Tess.

 

[ShakenG]

Which part of this post mentions TLOU2?


I am talking about the Uncharted 4 remaster here where they really did just double the framerate from the Pro version while downgrading the visuals. PS4 Pro version runs at 1440p 30 fps. The PS5 version runs at 1440p 60 fps. The native 4k version is capped at just 30 fps.

Meanwhile Kojima took the 4kcb 30 fps version of Death Stranding on the 4.2 tflops Polaris GPU and turned it into a native 4k 60 fps version. Doubling not just the resolution but also the framerate while offering PC extreme quality graphics settings. ND only managed to doubled either the resolution or the framerate while downgrading the visuals. Which part of this is incorrect?

People who dont read my posts correctly and shake their heads have only themselves to blame.

I could be wrong slimy but im fairly sure Death stranding on PS5 isnt Native 4K. And i wasnt agreeing ot disagreeing with you, just saying you whine a lot.. which you do lol

 

[SlimySnake]

I could be wrong slimy but im fairly sure Death stranding on PS5 isnt Native 4K. And i wasnt agreeing ot disagreeing with you, just saying you whine a lot.. which you do lol

Death Stranding has 3 modes. One is native 4k targeting 60 fps which it only drops during boss battles and some cutscenes just like the 4kcb 30 fps PS4 Pro version. 99% of the time during normal gameplay its a locked 60 fps. The other mode is 1800p locked 60 fps which is still higher than the 1440p 60 fps Uncharted 4 remaster. It also uses higher Level of details, shadows and draw distance from PC settings.

Lastly it has a native resolution widescreen mode that runs at a locked 60 fps while offering a much bigger field of view. Perfect for the kind of cinematic games ND makes. The Directors Cut includes new weapons, new abilities, new missions, new training missions, dozens of new VR missions, new suits and unlockables. They clearly put a lot more effort into the Directors Cut than ND did in the remaster. The lack of effort ND has been putting into their recent games is the problem. They arent even including a reskinned factions with their $70 remake.

I am whining because i havent played a single next gen game on my $500 console since Ratchet in June of last year. Everyone should be whining.

 

[ShakenG]

Death Stranding has 3 modes. One is native 4k targeting 60 fps which it only drops during boss battles and some cutscenes just like the 4kcb 6040 fps PS4 Pro version. 99% of the time during normal gameplay its a locked 60 fps. The other mode is 1800p locked 60 fps which is still higher than the 1440p 60 fps Uncharted 4 remaster. It also uses higher Level of details, shadows and draw distance from PC setting.

Lastly it has a native resolution widescreen mode that runs at a locked 60 fps while offering a much bigger field of view. Perfect for the kind of cinematic games ND makes. The Directors Cut includes new weapons, new abilities, new missions, new training missions, dozens of new VR missions, new suits and unlockables. They clearly put a lot more effort into the Directors Cut than ND did in the remaster. The lack of effort ND has been putting into their recent games is the problem. They arent even including a reskinned factions with their $70 remake.

I am whining because i havent played a single next gen game on my $500 console since Ratchet in June of last year. Everyone should be whining.

Yeah i haven't played it, just didn't remember it having a native 4k mode. I do remember that wide mode being fairly popular though.

Personally, id rather wait and see how it looks in person first, my main gripe is the cost.. which seems to be most peoples.

*Dont take my comment too seriously slimy, not that serious. As someone thats been here half way through the PS3 generation, its hard to talk like i have because i barely post.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Are you mocking grandma fetishes of some people?

Huh!!! did mom drop you on your head?