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[Negotiator101]

Are PS even trying anymore? This isn't impressive Jim

 

[Dick Jones]

120$ to stream PS3 games???
Is this a Joke??

Same cost as before. 60 for PS+ and 60 for PS Now. The difference here is that the subscription falls under one banner. You really think anyone is subscribing to PS Now and not PS+?

This opens up the revenue possibilities for Sony as countries with PS Now have at least the same options as before and consumers from other countries can now subscribe for a version that allows for downloading PS4/PS5 games from a rotating library.

Personally having PS1 and PS2 games being downloadable is a big deal provided they continue to support it. PS Now currently sucks for its limited PS2 content and PS1 is non-existent. PS3 still streaming is not a shock but disappointing all the same.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Disappointing at the lack of local PS3 emulation.

And Grubb was 100% right on the money with his tiers.

Dude anyone could've guessed there'd be tiers, and could've guessed these prices on top of it. Doesn't make his 'tea' any more special than others IMHO.

locking classic games to a obscenely expensive tier and still having the balls to make PS3 titles streaming only?

Kinda agreed w/ this. Also unfortunately for those who just wanted PS Now they won't be able to get it on its own. I thought they could've maybe tried an a-la carte approach but guess not.

On the plus side, while the highest tier is pricier than GPU on a monthly rate, it works out to be a lot less if you buy the year in advance so they are still giving the annual discounts same way as before. That's a net positive over GPU IMO where the only lower rate you can get is with the $1 conversion of XBL Gold 3-year subs. I'm not surprised or upset at lack of 1P games Day 1, never thought that was going to happen anyway unless they did a per-game monthly installment feature (which they could still do in the future).

Lack of PS3 native BC is...weird, though. I'm sure PS5 can more than emulate it just fine, there are laptops much weaker than it that can emulate PS3 pretty well with upscaling support, even. If there's a technical reason for that I'd like to hear why.

But anyway I guess the important question is: will I bite? If I can pick up a PS5 this year (please sort these damn supply issues out, it's ridiculous), I might actually go for the Extra tier. Might just use that to preview games I missed out on I'd then want to pick up on disc...because I'm not eating away at monthly data downloading multiple-sized GB games (unless maybe near the end of the month).

 

[AV]

You can buy PS2, PS4 and PS5 games separatedly, so there is no reason to think PS1 and PSP games will be only inside the subscription. For PS3 yes because they can't be emulated properly on PS4 and PS5 so they are streamed only.

To put PS1 and PSP games on the PSN store to be purchased outside the subscription would give them extra revenue and profits. A PS1 or PSP game purchased separatedly from the store would give them more revenue and profit that from the sub. Why wouldn't them include them in the store? It doesn't make sense.

I assume they thought than to only sell them in the store wouldn't be worth it, but instead that would be a good selling point for the top subscription to give it more value. But now they implemented it as downloadable games for PS4 and PS5 they'll want to monetize them as much as possible. So it would make sense to include them in the store too.

You can buy a very very limited selection of PS2 games on PS5 because there was a limited selection on PS4 and they're considered "PS4 games". We're talking about around 50 games vs. over 300 that were available on PS3 as Classics, it's not the same.

They're not going to be available for individual sale because Sony will make more money overall forcing people into the highest tier of their subscription service. Same reason Nintendo are charging people $30 a year to play select N64 games.

Believe me, I'd absolutely love for it to happen, but it's not going to. We waited an entire console generation and never got it, it ain't happening. Subscriptions for bulk content is the new way.

Dude GT4 is seen by many fans as the peak in the series. GT5, GT6, and (as of now) GT7 do not offer what 4 does. it has the best singleplayer campaign and one of the most expansive and unique car lists, as well as being the first game to have the more realistic physics GT was known for (before then GT had far more arcadey physics)

The series fans are always going to find reasons to play old games, sure - you will find me replaying Crash and Spyro on PS1 even though I love the remakes. Doesn't apply to the general public, they're not buying Gran Turismo 4.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Hopefully, they add Ratchet so I don't have to waste 80 euros on just an 8hour tech demo.

 

[Alphagear]

Seeing downloadable PS1, PS2 and PSP games is enough for me.

Will go Premium.

 

[sainraja]

I am fine with Sony's approach given I tend to buy games I am really interested in so needing their games on a subscription day one isn't a necessity for me. I am interested in how they will handle the PS1/PS2 games though (trophies etc). That might tempt me to try out the higher tier.

Anyway, for those that prefer a subscription option for day one games you've got Game Pass. So probably best for you all to stick with that.

 

[SoloKingRobert]

PS+ Extra sounds really great, 400 PS4/5 games right out of the gate, nice.

Over 15 Just Dance games on PlayStation Now to bump up the number is really great /s

 

[Esppiral]

Hahahahaha

 

[Bo_Hazem]

But doubt I'll get anything more than Essential.

 

[Mossybrew]

No real use to me. Not interested in playing old games. And the chances of any newer games of interest to me being available that I haven't already played isn't worth the extra cost.

 

[chaseroni]

So uhhh, my PS2 classic of Ape Escape 2 that is absolutely busted on PS5




Y'all gonna fix that Sony?

 

[0neAnd0nly]

Dude GT4 is seen by many fans as the peak in the series. GT5, GT6, and (as of now) GT7 do not offer what 4 does. it has the best singleplayer campaign and one of the most expansive and unique car lists, as well as being the first game to have the more realistic physics GT was known for (before then GT had far more arcadey physics)

Ewww.

Who thinks GT4 is the tops? Driving physics were wonky... and this coming from somebody who has done IRL drifting for 18 years.

GT3 was the "top" IMO. Been downhill to a degree since, but so has worldwide testosterone levels and love for cool cars, so I guess it's hard to really complain. I will still give 7 a chance. We shall see what happens.

 

[kyliethicc]

Meh. Interesting but nothing too cool or terrible. As expected.

 

[AV]

Hopefully, they add Ratchet so I don't have to waste 80 euros on just an 8hour tech demo.

Behold

Better yet, you can even sell it when you're done.

 

[Represent.]

Dont care about subscription services (this or gamepass). but PS1-PS3 games is cool.

Wont buy them though

 

[Krappadizzle]

 

[64bitmodels]

Who thinks GT4 is the tops? Driving physics were wonky... and this coming from somebody who has done IRL drifting for 18 years.

I and a bunch of other fans do.
GT3 had way less cars and the singleplayer didn't compare. also no online and it had a worse aesthetic tbh. the soundtrack was the best in the series though

 

[Evil Calvin]

400 ps4 and ps5 games? That is more than double gamepass catalog.

New games on Gamepass..........

 

[Topher]

Over 15 Just Dance games on PlayStation Now to bump up the number is really great /s

I can't find one Just Dance game on PS Now. What am I missing?

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[Neff]

Let me buy PS1 and PS2 games individually or fuck off

 

[Dr.brain64]

May get the top one when discounted. For now, I'll stick to the basic one.

 

[chaseroni]

I'm trying to reconcile the disappointment some are expressing here. What was it that folks thought they were getting with this? Why does this suck? It isn't amazing news, no, but it isn't bad news either. It is a service restructure which doesn't change anything for those who choose not to change.

For me, it's disappointing that with this announcement, purchasing BC PS1/PS2 games seems like it won't be an option going forward.
I was really hoping they'd start to let us purchase those games, I'm not enticed by a subscription model.

 

[yurinka]

i doubt it, i hope im wrong tho.
The PS2 Classics available on PS4 are not the same as those on PS3, and those that overlap are considered diferent games.

Yes, they were different and not crossbuy, were different ports/emulations since PS4 wasn't BC and its PS2 games included trophies etc. But this is the exception, in all the other cases you bought a game one and have been able to play it for free in all the consoles capable to run it.

Your digital PSP games were crossbuy in the platform you were able to play them: PSP and Vita. Same with PS One Classics: bought it one and playable on PSP, Vita, PS3. PS5 was BC with digital PS4 games

And discs were also playable on consoles that were able to run them. PS4 on PS5, PS1 on PS2 and PS3. PS2 on the BC PS3.

For me, it's disappointing that with this announcement, purchasing BC PS1/PS2 games seems like it won't be an option going forward.
I was really hoping they'd start to let us purchase those games, I'm not enticed by a subscription model.

What is your source to claim that? Where Sony did announce that they are going to remove the PS2 from the PSN store?

 

[onesvenus]

You make it sound like people that sub to Game Pass never pay for a retail game on top of their subscription. Evidence points to not only do they buy new 3rd party games but they also continue to purchase 1st party games. Hasn't that been an argument for a long time that Game Pass does not cannibalize Xbox game sales?

Even doing that you are getting more out of your money. Games in Gamepass are discounted.

I don't buy Microsoft games? They dont have enough quality wise from internal studios that I give a shit about. And I buy their games that I do play on PC via steam where I can shop around greenmangaming and the likes.

Lol

 

[THE DUCK]

Weaksauce. It's only hope to gain traction is some sort of middle ground if they don't wait too long on the AAA releases, if it hits the service 6 months later it could do ok.

 

[rofif]

What are other 2 surprises ?
I only need psn sometimes to connect online like with Elden Ring. I would not buy it otherwise as I am still only interested in physical games.
I hope it's not a slow death of physical as the middle tier is really good

 

[RiccochetJ]

Middle tier sounds good to me, but I will want to eventually get my hands on a PS5 before I bump up beyond the base tier.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Behold

Better yet, you can even sell it when you're done.

I only play with digital baby. Besides doubt I can find it less than 18euro with shipping.

 

[Esppiral]

So does this mean they will add new PS2 games to the store? It's been ages since they added the last one and the current amount or them is lacking....

 

[TLZ]

Where's Australia in all this? When will we get it? We never got PS Now to this day.

 

[deriks]

So no day one games?

"Greatness awaits" indeed

 

[AV]

I only play with digital baby. Besides doubt I can find it less than 18euro with shipping.

Sir, it says here that you intentionally locked yourself into Sony's shitty pricing schemes and then complained about Sony's shitty pricing schemes on the internet?

Only teasing. Ratchet's great though, pick it up when it's better priced in 3 years.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Those are recent enough for me. I'm fine with that much delay vs launch titles. I get launch day titles are a big appeal of GamePass but Sony and Microsoft are just in different financial situations too. I'm rarely a day one game buyer and this catalogue will just build on a rolling basis.

 

[kyliethicc]

This really should have just been one simple service tier.

But, you know,

JIM NEEDS THA MONEEEEZ

Its actually pretty simple tbh.

PS+ is $60/year. Same shit, unchanged.

PS+ Premium is $120/year. Its PS+, PS Now, & a lil more.

1 simple tier would have forced everyone to pay more unfairly.

 

[Elginer]

I have plus paid off till 2026 is there a way to upgrade?

 

[TheGodfather07]

the PS5 games is what im interested in. i will subscribe just for returnal. if they can add more that will be great.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Lol no. Why you think that? It’s subscription only.

If they are downloadable native apps, why wouldnt they sell the games too?

Why wouldn't they want to sell them individually?? I dont get it.

 

[Papacheeks]

Even doing that you are getting more out of your money. Games in Gamepass are discounted.


Lol

How is it lol? I gave infinite installed? I don’t get tons of time to play games so I make the most of multi tune which game pass doesn’t work fir me.

On top of quality wise PlayStation has been more consistent.

 

[shoplifter]

How do the emulators run on Series X? I might have to give this a try. If games run well it's funny to think that the XSX is a better console for older PS games.

I don't do a lot of PS2 on it, but PS1 runs great. You can run a good selection of Gamecube and Dreamcast as well. The PS2/DC/GC gen stuff is YMMV depending on game, but it's coming along pretty nicely.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Sir, it says here that you intentionally locked yourself into Sony's shitty pricing schemes and then complained about Sony's shitty pricing schemes on the internet?

Only teasing. Ratchet's great though, pick it up when it's better priced in 3 years.

I'm eastern european 80bucks is ~10% of my salary lmfao. I would love to buy it and I would've but for that much I need something I can spend at least 2 weeks on it, not a day. I've been waiting for a sale forever.

 

[64bitmodels]

Hard trying to imagine playing a PSP game on my 55" LG OLED

Not that hard to imagine if you upscale the internal res via PPSSPP. instead of looking insanely crunchy it looks crisp as fuck

 

[chaseroni]

What is your source to claim that? Where Sony did announce that they are going to remove the PS2 from the PSN store?

LOL I never claimed that, WTF are you talking about?
I said going forward it seems like they are not going to put out more PS2 games to purchase.

 

[kirby007]

I like how everyone got got by insiders over what in the end is just a boring merge of PSN services

 

[yurinka]

You can buy a very very limited selection of PS2 games on PS5 because there was a limited selection on PS4 and they're considered "PS4 games". We're talking about around 50 games vs. over 300 that were available on PS3 as Classics, it's not the same.

Yes, PS4 wasn't BC with PS3 so the PS2 games for PS4 were different emulation and porting. PS5 ran the PS2 games for PS4 because was BC witth PS4, but isn't with PS3. Probably after trying on PS3 many of their publishers weren't interested on renewing/porting them to PS4. Maybe they hought it wasn't worth it.

They're not going to be available for individual sale because Sony will make more money overall forcing people into the highest tier of their subscription service. Same reason Nintendo are charging people $30 a year to play select N64 games.

Believe me, I'd absolutely love for it to happen, but it's not going to. We waited an entire console generation and never got it, it ain't happening. Subscriptions for bulk content is the new way.

All the games included in the Sony subscripttions always have been in the store to be purchased separatedly, and to don't sell separatedly would be to leave money on the table. They sold them where possible. I'm 99% sure they will sell them.

The series fans are always going to find reasons to play old games, sure - you will find me replaying Crash and Spyro on PS1 even though I love the remakes. Doesn't apply to the general public, they're not buying Gran Turismo 4.

Yes, I think only a small portion of players would buy them. But Sony has a 111M MAU and growing userbase and only a small portion of them will pay for the Premium tier. So I think will make sense for them to include them in the store.

As you mention, they also could make collections for the series, acting as side standalone DLCs for new entries.

 

[Swift_Star]

This is the right way to think about it.

It becomes even more compelling on the Microsoft side if, like me, you have limited time to play. So it's not even as much about dollars versus quantity, or even quality! It's about how much can I get out of the money I spend versus the time I have to enjoy the money spent. If there are even five games I want to play on Game Pass in a year, and I'll likely pick up two or three Sony first party titles, there's little reason for me to have this and Game Pass.

Especially, again, in the era of crossplay and free-to-play multiplayer titles.

Microsoft don't have Sony games, so there's not compelling there for Sony gamers.

They're definitely heading towards day one releases. I'm ignoring all denials, explanations for why it just can't work for Playstation's "special" games. It's all nonsense.

Sony will adopt the movie theater release followed by digital/streaming availability model that's currently used for movies. They may try to make that window larger at first, but it's coming. Jim Ryan saying he sees live service games as their own subscription is pretty much a tipping of his hand on where they will go.

That’s what everyone is expecting, though? But games won’t release day one in the service.

 

[SlimySnake]

I thought Jimbo was going to fuck over everyone and make everyone pay $120 for PS+ but all this does is merge the two services together.

I am glad there are no day one releases. I dont know how Microsoft justifies it but it is not sustainable to put games with 5 years dev time on a service for $10.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Yeah this seems like the best tier for me. Although I'm a bit surprised Miles Morales will be there considering it seems to regularly still place in Top 10 charts well after launch.

Then again I guess if the service is releasing later in the year, by then it would make sense.

 

[AV]

All the games included in the Sony subscripttions always have been in the store to be purchased separatedly, and to don't sell separatedly would be to leave money on the table. They sold them where possible. I'm 99% sure they will sell them.

You're in for a big let down, but I'd really love to be wrong about that.

 

[Tarnpanzer]

I don't do a lot of PS2 on it, but PS1 runs great. You can run a good selection of Gamecube and Dreamcast as well. The PS2/DC/GC gen stuff is YMMV depending on game, but it's coming along pretty nicely.

Gamecube runs great, even on higher res. PS2 runs mostly like garbage on SX, sry. Not a valiable option for emulation as it is right now.