The best value in gaming right now is a 2nd hand PS4.
It's funny you say that because the biggest detractors of the XSS are people who don't own an Xbox AT ALL. At least the people who own the XSX are in the same ecosystem would be way more knowledgeable than a person who doesn't and is interested in throwing stones.
There is a universe where he isn't lying; the alternate universe where Series S was the top selling console in the world and everyone make third party games using Series S as the baseline.Blatant misinformation? Well let me point it out explicitly for you, all captioned for your benefit.
Hope that helps bud.
But to recap:
"The same great next gen experience at 1440p and features as Series X just at a reduced rendering resolution"
As of right now, he seems to have mislead. Or overestimated the performance of Series S, maybe the situation will improve? Maybe not. Be interesting.
You forgot the "is designed to" part. I bet One X/Pro/5/XSX were designed to deliver 4k too, but not all games do have native 4k. Also this is just a guy talking, it would be another thing if they would advertise it on xbox.com
He's inadvertently put that target on the consoles back with his claim, so I suppose it can be used as a metric for how the console is faring.
We already had Xbox change their website advertising on the fly in the past. You are acting like what Xbox said on its website is some kind of permanent record when, in fact, it changes to suit the needs of the day.
It's the same to me. you should never take avertisings too serious expecially if nobody said " We promise you XY / i will have XY". I never expected S to deliver 1440p the whole gen, i never expected the 4k consoles to deliver 4k.
They all keep changing their websites. For me only counts what the website said when something is released and i don't know what Xbox,com said on XSS release. Do you?
It would be the same for me as well, if it was just the resolution target they couldn't meet, but having all the missing game modes and features in XSS titles pushes it into another level of mismarketing for me personally.
I would agree if it would say so on the package or the website. But it was just a video that >99% of the S owners never saw. Let's be honest, the target group of the S wouldn't even recognize that stuff when they play their FIFA/Madden/BF/COD. Most core gamers would, but no core gamer will go for a S.
There has been titles with lower framerates.
There has been titles with lower framerates.
This immediately comes to mind for RE8..
But granted there are much more examples of modes and RT missing.
Trolling.. because I gave you officially figures straight from Capcom? Ok
How could Jason Ronald control what features a game developer would implement in their games on the XSS? What FEATURES are the XSS console missing that the XSX has outside of the blu-ray drive? VRR? Quick Resume? FPS Boost? There are plenty of games on the XSS that have raytracing and 120fps modes but you and your friends move the goal posts to a new standard. It's on the developers to take advantage of what a system offers.Blatant misinformation? Well let me point it out explicitly for you, all captioned for your benefit.
Hope that helps bud.
But to recap:
"The same great next gen experience at 1440p and features as Series X just at a reduced rendering resolution"
As of right now, he seems to have mislead. Or overestimated the performance of Series S, maybe the situation will improve? Maybe not. Be interesting.
THE DUCK
)? Why focus your attention on on the budget box when you know it's offers features and value a more expensive console lacks? If the XSS is so bad you'd figure the more expensive system would beat it in every category yet the value box has more 120fps titles. I'd be more upset about that. the XSS haters also conveniently ignore when stellar games like Psychonauts 2 come out and render at 1680p, beyond the 1440p spec AND offer 120 fps modes to boot. It's a perfectly serviceable device.How could Jason Ronald control what features a game developer would implement in their games on the XSS? What FEATURES are the XSS console missing that the XSX has outside of the blu-ray drive? VRR? Quick Resume? FPS Boost? There are plenty of games on the XSS that have raytracing and 120fps modes but you and your friends move the goal posts to a new standard. It's on the developers to take advantage of what a system offers.
Where is your outrage when the PS5 and XSX don't run games at 4k when that is on their boxes (thanks
Most importantly if you are going to accuse MS of lying about the device they are selling when are you going to take your complaint to the BBB? It should be pretty easy since you have the damning evidence in the promotional video. Get to it man the masses are being conned right now!
Why would they do that though? It's almost like they have no legitimate argument at all...
So you accept that he was promising something that he was in no position to promise?!
While I agree to some extend that the fact that there is stock on shelves isn't a valid measurement for sales, I do think it says something about the interest in this console.
Nope my point was he helped design a system that has all the same features as a console $200 more but it comes at the cost of graphics. If developers choose not to use to features its up to them. To hold the console engineer responsible for the games developers make on the console is ridiculous.So you accept that he was promising something that he was in no position to promise?!
Hallelujah! That's been my entire point, it was a stupid thing for him to claim.
We are in agreement that he intentionally or unintentionally was claiming the console was much more capable than it actually is. Since developers can't extract the same experiences. Even first party studios have seemingly abandoned that idea.
It's taken a long long time, but finally found something we can agree on.
Maybe next time you won't be too hasty about saying I'm spreading misinformation when you ultimately agree
Nope my point was he helped design a system that has all the same features as a console $200 more but it comes at the cost of graphics. If developers choose not to use to features its up to them. To hold the console engineer responsible for the games developers make on the console is ridiculous.
I've asked you numerous times for ONE example of a missing feature on the XSS outside of the blu-ray drive. You have no answer. I asked you to show a PC or console that provides more features and performance for the same money. You have no answer. I asked why you make a big deal when the XSS is missing a GRAPHICAL feature when other more costly consoles miss those features and again you have no answer. Just more nonsense about how MS and Jason Ronald are liars. How interesting.
Returnal is a 1st party Sony game. It doesn't run natively at 4K nor does it have ray traced reflections. The game isn't held back by needing to run on multiple platforms. Are you going to call Sony liars because this game doesn't use the features of the PS5? It should really upset you seeing how the PS5 is more expensive than the XSS. Why not have the same energy? We both know why.
We are not in agreement because Jason Ronald was accurate when he described the capabilities of the XSS. It has hardware raytracing, it has multiple titles that run at 120fps and has the exact same feature set of the XSX minus the drive. It does everything all the current generation consoles can do and it some cases even more. It does these things for $300. You and your friends HAVE spread misinformation trying to twist a comment into something that was never claimed. I don't know why you are on this crusade but you really should take your complaints to the BBB if you think they have merit.
And i like how Xbox customers seem to invent imaginary anger in order to derive entertainment from it, instead of just playing games like everyone else.
I disagree. Even if you only play a few titles, if you are interested in MS' offerings you get them Day 1 and at a fraction of the cost as it would be if you bought games off the PSN store with the Digital PS5. Literally 7 months worth of content for the price of one digital PSN game. Not something you can trade in or sell once you're done to recoup costs. And once the ball starts rolling MS will be releasing first party AAA games at least once a quarter.
peeps who don’t own one then your opinion means squat on the subject. Yes you’re entitled to one but doesn’t make it valid or worth bothering with.
Do you really think Microsoft released the Series S just to troll people? That's kind of dumb. It delivers every game that Xbox One and Series X delivers so I don't see what the problem is. People getting upset about it is stupid, especially if they were never going to buy one anyway. There are lots of people who legitimately like it.
Yup. It worked for me.
You are the king of goal post shifting dude. XSS has 120fps mode you complain about no raytracing. XSS has a game with raytracing you complain about pop-in! Jason Ronald has every right to tout the features the XSS has. He knows what the XSS can do, he cannot control if a developer uses those features. He 'promised' the XSS had raytracing. Are you saying that isn't true? He 'promised' the XSS has the ability run games at 120fps and it would support FPS boost are you stating those are lies? He NEVER said every game on the XSS would use EVERY feature the system is capable of. No console manufacturer ever in life makes that claim and its silly for you to push that narrative. It isn't that complicated man.
Not one time has anyone explained why PS5/XSX not being native 4k all the time despite what is on the packaging is OK but the XSS not always having raytracing is a major problem and MS is lying to the public. Why is it OK that the PS5 has fewer 120fps titles than the XSS but it's the XSS that should be discontinued? People are really strange.
I only had one point. Which you agreed with.. so I'm not sure what you're going on about. You said yourself Jason Ronald was in no position to claim what he did, he after all pretty much promised that you'll see the same next-gen experience JUST at a lower rending resolution. And that's not true. At least not yet.
You never had a point man. You and your friends have been pushing that Jason Ronald and MS are lying about what the XSS is capable of. You were wrong when you first made the claim and if you are still pushing that you are still wrong. If I said developers are lazy you said MS has been lying. We were never in agreement because you were making a nonsensical claim.
He said the words he said, it's on video, I even captioned it for you. No one put words in his mouth.
Please quote when Jason Ronald promised every game on the XSS would use every feature of the system. He said the XSS has the same next generation experience. What features are the XSS missing changing the fundamental experience bro? I keep asking and I figured you'd stop dancing and actually answer the question. List them out. You called him a liar prove it.
You never had a point as I've stated numerous times. At least I am not wildly shifting from complaining about raytracing, then 120fps modes, then pop-in, then calling engineers liars. You and your buddies have long since proven you guys were desperate to 'get' the value console. Who knows why.
Have proved the point I wanted to make.. You're resorting to pretty desperate measures now bud.
Glad to see you admit how silly you are and will move on. Thank goodness.
It has some RT hardware, but in practice games that use it have to lower the resolution so low (or even games that don't use it) that the "experience" becomes lackluster and compromised, when it holds the frame rate as well as the other next-gen consoles.
If the compromises you have to make to reach a performance target (120fps) or use a graphical feature (RT... but everything else on the image is so bad that they should not have used it)... using these points/features as selling points becomes misleading.
