Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Just bump some old console launch DF threads and see it for yourself.
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DF: Control PS5 Vs Xbox Series X Raytracing Benchmark
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Just bump some old console launch DF threads and see it for yourself.
Riky
$MSFT
Thought not, liar.
Anyway nearly all the games were patched like Immortals to match the PS5 versions or like Dirt 5 to end up superior.
Why you're so upset about the Xbox performance being increased says something about you.
dcmk7
Banned
The fact that it's so important to you, says a lot about you
But then again it's not totally surprising since you had a complete break down over the launch comparisons.
onesvenus
Member
Do you really think they are doing commissioned work without explicitly saying so? And you thinking that sets a dangerous precedent? What if you are wrong? xD
Since when does certification look for non-critical performance issues? They don't. Neither platform holders certification has been incompetent nor developers are. The first don't care about performance when it's above a low limit and the second ones can choose to release a game when they think it's good enough to do it. There's nothing of being wrong, immoral or incompetent. You know you can always make things faster, you have to place a line somewhere.
Do we know that? If it's a system-wide level like they are speculating how are you so sure that's not affected?
Riky
$MSFT
The fact that it's so important to you, says a lot about you
But then again it's not totally surprising since you had a complete break down over the launch comparisons.
Nothing wrong with being happy about increased performance for your games, who wouldn't be pleased?
I didn't have a breakdown at all, I had VRR so got the best console experience day one.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
The flower field seems to be a classic GPU bottleneck. Transparency effects are exponentially more demanding with increases to resolution. Xbox pushes 44% more pixels than the PS5, which means the flower field demands much more than a 44% increase in performance.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
We don't, however it's most likely simply Direct X issues with draw calls. The flowers were dynamic, which means the object is drawn one by one, as at instance of the object (so you can apply physics to it) and that is very well documented disadvantage of the Direct X architecture. And why I am that certain? Well as I said in OG Hitman 3 DF thread, I was part of the team who did Kingdom Come and to make our grass interactive, there was some real magic done by our sw engineers there. I was explaining how it works in our case in the aforementioned thread.
dcmk7
Banned
IIRC you started spamming the forum with misleading comparison pictures in every thread you could before the ban hammer.
But sure, not a break down
Edit: we got evidence now..
Post in thread 'DF: Control PS5 Vs Xbox Series X Raytracing Benchmark' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/df-c...x-raytracing-benchmark.1590032/post-264376853
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Riky
$MSFT
Another figment of your imaginationIIRC you started spamming the forum with misleading comparison pictures in every thread you could before the ban hammer.
But sure, not a break down
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So what is you issue exactly? The fact they found better performance?
do you have any evidence to back up your claims of being commissioned to do this? Or just wild accusations?
Negotiator101
Member
On PC yeah, I can't recall any other console that had game improvement from a system level update. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
dcmk7
Banned
Another figment of your imagination
Since you are effectively calling me a liar.. I just had to go and prove it.
It wasn't long ago you must have a selective memory..
Like I said, spamming the forum with total BS about CyberPunk 2077 in several threads like someone who had totally lost it. Aka a breakdown.
Hate to be the one to break this to you but the performance mode after the latest patch has a higher resolution on XSX as per NXgamer and VG tech found that the PS5 version can drop to 900p and hit 41fps
Yeah I agree it's pretty bad, glad I've got VRR
Luckily the average framerate is in your shots, "really bad" is between 56 and 59fps in those shots, VRR takes care of that easily for me. All while running at higher resolution in performance mode and having more crowds and cars as NX Gamer said. He also says loading hitches are worse on PS5, loading times are worse on PS5, reflections and transparencies are worse as well so lower settings on PS5.
Love this post.. summed your madness up perfectly.
DF, NXGamer and everyone else and their mothers: "PS5 performs better overall".
Riky: "let me post this screenshot 20 times to prove them wrong".
So guess I'm right... again.
Riky
$MSFT
Cyberpunk, the PS4 and Xbox One game that has no native PS5/Series patch? So not what we're talking about here at all then.
Your obsession with me and another user is quite alarming, I think you need help, you literally follow us around the forum no matter what the subject.
I posted in this thread about DF saying performance has increased on Xbox for Control and probably some more games, this seems to have triggered a couple of people as seen by recent posts, obviously like I've said before they can't even cling to those launch comparisons anymore, must be tough.
PaintTinJr
Member
Before Readpop(?) bought Eurogamer, DF was officially spun off into its own company AFAIR and on their website at the time to officially setup, Xbox (and PlayStation too IIRC) were part of their testimonial customers. It was official info from DF at the time, so I assume they still do work for Xbox, and probably PlayStation and Nintendo too, as they are still in business.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Because DF or NXGamer do not benchmark every firmware these companies drop. On pc it's different, since every Nvidia driver update will be benchmarked by others or even after a new major Windows update.
dcmk7
Banned
That's kind of interesting since I said something similar to you the other week about harassing me.
Still sore about that huh?
and you're still reacting to every single one of posts. Kind of weird At least I was able prove you had a complete breakdown over some comparisons and leading to a ban.
That's really sad.
Edit: just looked and before today I hadn't spoken to you since 10th August.. in which I was replying to a message you had directed at me. Absolutely clueless.
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Riky
$MSFT
Or maybe they were told by some developers that they have got better performance after system updates and decided to test it, since that's what they do.
Are they spun off?
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/ which says that they still apart of Gamer Network whom own Eurogamer.net. Gamer network is a part of Reedpop though.
Could be an outdated footer.
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PaintTinJr
Member
You are saying it yourself to demonstrate how redundant the work is, as it is "non-critical" and the developers and the platform holder have said the experience is good to go.
When you factor in that the info is like fish & chips - only good while fresh - the very need for faces off is pointless, and reductively become warring material, no?
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Riky
$MSFT
That's kind of interesting since I said something similar to you the other week about harassing me.
Still sore about that huh?
At least I was able prove you had a complete breakdown over some comparisons and leading to a ban.
That's really sad.
Harassing you?
Sorry I upset you.It would be hard to have a breakdown when you've got Series X and VRR, I probably wouldn't notice the increased performance this update brings as I was getting the best console experience anyway.
dcmk7
Banned
And yet you managed a total breakdown leading to a ban.
dcmk7
Banned
You're quite right
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Crazy if the tools thing ends up being completely true and Series X has seen improvements across the board due to them!
...THE TOOOOLZZZZZ Have arrived?
...THE TOOOOLZZZZZ Have arrived?
Riky
$MSFT
Looks like it, looking forward to seeing the results.
TBiddy
Member
Has it ever not been warring material, though? Sure, there might be a small niche of afficionados out there, who sees it as a technical walkthrough of how any given platform performs - but for the vast majority it only serves to fuel their need for warring.
Kydd BlaZe
Member
I have to buy the Ultimate Edition for the extra bells and whistles, correct? Standard Gamepass version doesn’t have the next gen upgrade?
Edit: I’m kinda mad because I just bought the season pass because I saw it on sale. Then I realized that I probably need the Ultimate Edition for the next gen update (which also includes the dlc). Fuck.
Edit: I’m kinda mad because I just bought the season pass because I saw it on sale. Then I realized that I probably need the Ultimate Edition for the next gen update (which also includes the dlc). Fuck.
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dcmk7
Banned
Some users sadly love to use comparisons as console war material. For a lot of them it's the only topics that they actively participate in.
I think comparisons and even sales comparisons should be stopped altogether and let this forum just be about users discussing games and gaming news. Would soon rid out the warriors.
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onesvenus
Member
Yup, but that doesn't mean something couldn't be done at the driver level that helped in that scenario. We simply didn't know, what's why I was asking.
Well, that means that it would be possible to improve performance all across the board by improving DX performance. Do we know that's not the case?
I'll look into that, thanks for posting it.
Yup, it has always been. I would remove metric comparisons from everywhere and only leave the technical talk.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Yes and when it’s paid work they have to promote it as an advertisement. Look at their past paid work for both Sony and Microsoft it states when the video starts it’s paid for
LordOfChaos
Member
Ah gochya, slowly caught up to this thread lol
I thought it felt way worse than like 45-55fps, that makes sense. But for some reason it also feels worse than locked 30fps typically in this mode, something about this engine is weird. All the lights get really smeary at lower fps too with motion blur off.
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01011001
Banned
yeah it's really bad at 30 fps, I'm also not sure why.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Eh, you might be being a bit too harsh here. They did after all admit and were up front about issues with the tools that pretty much everyone here laughed as 'excuses'. I do feel bad for people who had to suffer through months of uneven performance in games (AC Valhalla, DMC and CoD's 120 fps mode, and Control were some of the worst offenders), but MS paid for it too by getting a lot of bad press for their most and more importantly "more" powerful console at the start of the gen. They say first impression is the last impression, and I think MS has probably paid for it and hopefully learned their lesson.
I am just happy that they continued to improve and have resolved the performance issues without the need for patches. I was not expecting it and as someone who didnt buy their tools excuse, I am glad to be proven wrong. I am a big tflops whore, and it's good to see tflops matter once again. This is personal crusade but tflops are tflops and I really dislike how people on these boards have stopped using actual specs to discuss hardware. Now we can finally see just how well these games perform and we should see a more 1:1 difference in performance per pixels in pS5 and XSX games.
The PS5 has a better fillrate than the XSX. It's not simply about the res. If they had the same res and just as many transparency effects the PS5 would perform better.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I believe it's harsh but fair. Lets say that the organisation should be better, because yes they catch a flak, but also they threw devs under the bus with their own "black box" (basically the graphics API) and my message is more emotionally charged, because how much more work (I know crunch and shit, but this was boring crunch, that's the worst, where you are not in fault but the provider) it took to made it run so, so back then. I apologized if inappropriate.
However it's not MS alone, let's say Sony had some initial software issues with rest mode, no VRR, only beta access to SSD, etc.
Plus obviously this on MS side:
That's taken from latest alpha skip-ahead release notes... which is obviously tip of the iceberg.
As a consumer, I have very little issues (outside of CEC, does not work almost 90% of the time, worked perfectly with X1X), but as a dev... I have my... comments.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Doubtful. The fillrate surplus would probably not alleviate the teraflop surplus.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, those are some weirdly amateur issues from a literally trillion dollar software company. These consoles ship once every 7 years so I agree they should launch without these basic issues. I was just bitching about the state of VRR in the other Sony thread. It's simply unacceptable.
As a developer, I have to blame management on this. This kind of stuff is always due to lack of resources which is tied to the budget. I have no idea why MS of all companies cant afford to give their software team all the resources they need but to finally figure out performance issues 9 months after launch is not acceptable. Especially since they shipped with known issues so it's not like this stuff kind of sneaked up on them. Surprisingly, almost all of Sony's brand new UI features worked on day one. So credit where credit is due even if they cant get VRR to work.
Like I said, it's a shame that people who bought these consoles day one got a sub optimal experience playing games like AC which had some crazy consistent drops to mid 40s. I can imagine the hysteria if AMD launched a 10 tflops 6600 XT and a 13 tflops 6700 xt, and the 6600xt was a locked 60 fps while the more expensive and more powerful GPU sat around 45 fps.
EDIT: haha I went hunting for a Valhalla comparison of that infamous torch stress test, and found this meme I had made around launch. So I guess it was the tools after all lmao.
Would love to see DF test all these games to see if the performance has scaled back up to at least PS5 levels if not higher.
I gotta say this gen has been a rollercoaster. First PS5 gets out tflopped by Phil Spencer then PS5 games start outperforming at launch. Then MS takes back the lead in some games, and now we are literally going back in time to retroactively win back those lost comparisons. What a twist.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah the word is probably "disappointment", because the potential for the better performance was and clearly is there, the problem is that MS pretty heavily depends to AMD SW engineers for the whole graphical API, Sony has mostly their own ones, which consists of people employed in Santa Monica, ND, etc... Which shows. Obviously AMD is present, but it's not driving force.Yeah, those are some weirdly amateur issues from a literally trillion dollar software company. These consoles ship once every 7 years so I agree they should launch without these basic issues. I was just bitching about the state of VRR in the other Sony thread. It's simply unacceptable.
As a developer, I have to blame management on this. This kind of stuff is always due to lack of resources which is tied to the budget. I have no idea why MS of all companies cant afford to give their software team all the resources they need but to finally figure out performance issues 9 months after launch is not acceptable. Especially since they shipped with known issues so it's not like this stuff kind of sneaked up on them. Surprisingly, almost all of Sony's brand new UI features worked on day one. So credit where credit is due even if they cant get VRR to work.
Like I said, it's a shame that people who bought these consoles day one got a sub optimal experience playing games like AC which had some crazy consistent drops to mid 40s. I can imagine the hysteria if AMD launched a 10 tflops 6600 XT and a 13 tflops 6700 xt, and the 6600xt was a locked 60 fps while the more expensive and more powerful GPU sat around 45 fps.
EDIT: haha I went hunting for a Valhalla comparison of that infamous torch stress test, and found this meme I had made around launch. So I guess it was the tools after all lmao.
Would love to see DF test all these games to see if the performance has scaled back up to at least PS5 levels if not higher.
I gotta say this gen has been a rollercoaster. First PS5 gets out tflopped by Phil Spencer then PS5 games start outperforming at launch. Then MS takes back the lead in some games, and now we are literally going back in time to retroactively win back those lost comparisons. What a twist.
I think MS engineers pretty much nailed the BC (to an extend which the architecture of their emulator can do), but all else left much to be desired.
And if the DF proves to be performant, I have peace on mind, that I was telling how it is, pretty much since infamous Dirt 5 DF/NX thread. And others.
Dural
Member
Not just that, you have to have the bandwidth to supply the fillrate.
Neo_game
Member
I agree with you but still it is good for Microsoft if they have fixed some issues. Probably Sony are doing the same.
FrankieSab
Member
Digital Foundry said the opposite, it's quiet rare that it touches games without patches.
Andodalf
Banned
The games I see not support QR are typically those with online elements
Negotiator101
Member
As we already knew, it's still up in the air though regarding general performance improvements.
Negotiator101
Member
He/she is confused with standard firmware updates that improve platform stability etc This is new in the console space if it indeed improves performance across multiple titles.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
True however, there are games which had qr support and lost it after native patch. Or not having one in a first place, some games haven sort of on-off approach, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. However this is good for a future, let's say. Better memory management is what the consoles needs.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
The fact that it's so important to you, says a lot about you
But then again it's not totally surprising since you had a complete break down over the launch comparisons.
Games not receiving updates, but greatly improving performance wise due to updates to series consoles... is kinda a big ass deal. You don't see such a thing often.