kingfey
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Steam Deck is a full-featured gaming PC designed by Valve that lets you bring the games you love wherever you go. Reserve yours now and learn more at http://steamdeck.com Or https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
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Steam Deck is a full-featured gaming PC designed by Valve that lets you bring the games you love wherever you go. Reserve yours now and learn more at http://steamdeck.com Or https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
Dr.brain64
Member
"...your steam games are already on your deck..."
Yep.
Yep.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
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Marty-McFly
Banned
Edit: Deleted. I do not want to continue to be quoted.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
GDP Win 3 is out already and a vastly superior handheld PC option, albeit a bit pricier, but if I want a top of the line handheld PC, it's not being built by Valve.
That looks awful, and uncomfortable. Just my opinion.
M.W.
Member
GDP Win 3 is out already and a vastly superior handheld PC option, albeit a bit pricier, but if I want a top of the line handheld PC, it's not being built by Valve.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I just looked into the GPD Win 3. It has a more powerful CPU than the Steam Deck, and it has double the NVMe storage space versus the Steam Deck (1 TB vs 512 GB). Unfortunately, it also has a less powerful GPU than the Steam Deck, slower RAM than the Steam Deck, and a smaller screen than the Steam Deck. Not to mention the fact that it is a LOT more expensive. The price per performance win goes to the Steam Deck, and the only hardware benefit over the Steam Deck is a more powerful CPU (which is pointless anyway on a screen that is only 5.5 inches).
M.W.
Member
Someone blew their load on a Win 3
IFireflyl
Gold Member
If the Steam Deck hadn't just been announced I'm sure the GPD Win 3 would have been great (for people who can get past the ergonomics and aesthetics, anyway). The fact that these types of consoles are coming out is great. Hopefully that leads to competition and innovation, and that is a [GPD] Win [3] for all of us!
Marty-McFly
Banned
What about 1TB of storage and a slide out keyboard? Most of the cost in these devices is from storage and the higher storage Steamdeck devices are comparable in price.
LazyParrot
Member
To me that slide-out screen and keyboard just scream "This is where this thing is gonna break". I'm not interested in any handheld PCs, but if I were to get one it'd be the one with the fewest moving parts.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I mentioned the 1TB of storage already. That only allows more games to be stored, but it isn't affecting game performance for installed games. It is nice to have more storage, but price per performance for overall power goes to the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck has a touchscreen with an on-screen keyboard. I don't see a benefit to going back to the year 2002 and sticking the T-Mobile Sidekick's keyboard on the GPD WIN3 instead of saving the space and using the on-screen keyboard. Also, the keyboard is as cramped as the 5.5" screen, meaning the Steam Deck's larger screen results in a larger keyboard layout. How someone feels about the keyboard (on-screen versus physical) is purely subjective of course. If you prefer it, good on you.
Also, the starting price for the GPD WIN3 is $999. That is $300 more than the Steam Deck. That is NOT comparable in price. Especially considering that $699 is the maximum price for the Steam Deck. The lowest price of $399 still gets you a Steam Deck that only uses EMMC and microSD memory, but it still has the more powerful GPU and RAM, as well as the larger screen. If we're looking at price per performance, the Steam Deck wins no matter the model.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
GPD Win 3 uses a cheaper (i.e. physically larger) 2280 SSD for storage, so it's not that comparable even then.
Marty-McFly
Banned
The most expensive Steamdeck comes with just over half the memory of the GDP Win. This along with the Win's extra features is the discrepancy in price. I vastly prefer a slide out keyboard for a portable pc because I don't like the idea of touching up the screen, but as you said that's subjective.
As far as specs are concerned, the different architectures aren't a purely black and white comparison, the Win 3 has been handling PC AAA games relatively well since it launched. We'll see how the Deck pans out once it's out in the wild. My guess is that Valve and other portable PC players will continue to outdo each other and flood the market with tons of new models popping up.
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SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
As I said, if you enjoy the physical keyboard then great. I'm not trying to put you down for it. I personally don't find it useful, but that's just my opinion.
As far as the specs are concerned, it is a pretty black and white comparison to compare the GPD WIN3's LPDDR4 memory to the Steam Deck's LPDDR5 memory. The Steam Deck is objectively better on that front. On the GPU side of things, the RDNA 2 APU from AMD is objectively better than the Intel Iris Xe. The Steam Deck's GPU will be running at a variable rate between 1.0 and 1.6 GHz, which surpasses the Intel Iris Xe in the GPD WIN3 which tops out at 1.1 GHz.
Software optimization will be a big factor, sure. But let's stop pretending that the GPD WIN3 is matching the Steam Deck in terms of raw power in any place other than the CPU, because that is false. Again, any Steam Deck model will beat any GPD WIN3 model in terms of price per performance. This is objectively true based on the specs.
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alucard0712_rus
Member
I have the same opinion about Deck.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
It looks big, and it certainly may not be for everybody.
Kenpachii
Member
DigitalScrap
Member
Well, it said starts shipping in December, which is true. Although anyone who pre-orders because they saw this video will be in for a surprise, so I agree with you - seems silly to put this out now with that messaging.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
They want people to preorder as soon as possible so they can plan for further orders. They don't want everyone to wait 6 months and then all started ordering all at once again.
It's only normal some will wait until these our out to see if there are QA issues or see how it stacks up with decent reviews how games perform, how Steam OS is etc
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This is the best handheld ever
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
The wait is killing me. This is a dream device for me.
Denton
Member
Literally everyone who actually tried Steam Deck praised its ergonomics. It will be lot more comfortable than Switch, that's for sure.
VolticArchangel
Member
"This is SteamDeck. THE MOST POWERFUL GAMING HANDHELD IN THE WORLD."
Straight out of Microsoft's PR book. I love it.
"VALVE DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T"
Straight out of Microsoft's PR book. I love it.
"VALVE DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T"
DeltaPolarBear
Member
yurinka
Member
Yes, you can do this and install Windows 10, which is better than 8.1. It has great modern hardware specs and its display has a small resolution, so you'll be able to play modern AAA games with pretty good, better quality than any portable console like PSP, Vita or Switch did before. And you won't need to buy again your PC games, all of them will be there for you.
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Sean Mirrsen
Banned
In order:
- Yes you can, but you'll likely lose some of the added Deck-specific functions like suspend/resume, and gain extra performance overheads from all the Windows processes running in the background. So far the only advantage to installing Windows, besides familiarity, is expected to be access to Gamepass - which is specifically Win10+ exclusive at the moment.
- Yes it can, through either the official dock that's coming sometime in the future, or any other dock/hub that connects with USB-C. It has a desktop much like any Windows PC does, except it's Linux-based, and it can be used in all the same ways with all the same peripherals.
- Yes it can, at least as so far tested through experiments with approximately equivalent hardware running Linux and Proton. Low settings and FPS solidly above 30 (so lockable to 30 with the built-in SteamOS compositor) at 720p resolution are expected. This is before trying to use the forced FidelityFX SuperResolution scaling implementation that is currently working its way into Proton's main release, which could bump framerate by at least another 50% at the cost of a little bit of clarity.
Fuz
Banned
purvispisgah
Member
Fuz
Banned
W8 unmodded is crap, this is true. I tweaked 8.1 enough to be just, basically, an updated XP.
And I don't like 10, on a UI design standpoint it's a step back on customizability and simplicity, it's draconian, I can't stand telemetry and spying, and I absolutely cannot tolerate the pushed advertising and bloatware and I don't tolerate automatic updates for anything. I briefly used it on a laptop and I wanted to throw it out of the window.
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purvispisgah
Member
yurinka
Member
Yes, games perform better in Windows 10 than in Windows 8. And obviously will offer more compatibility than Win 8 and Steam OS for games and emulators. Regarding the buttons like suspend etc I'm pretty sure Valve and MS will handle it since both are interested on a flawless Win 10 integration. Regarding the Windows Update, you can disable or schedule them, and the UI can be customized.
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rnlval
Member
GPD Win 3 has a retro "BlackBerry" or classic Nokia look instead of a modern Switch look.
rnlval
Member
GPD WIN3 has LPDDR4x 4266. Steam Deck has LPDDR5-5500.
GDDR5 and GDDR6 have nothing to do with LPDDR.
WitchHunter
Banned
When this releases Gaben will come down from the heavens and bless us all ;P. And we will slaughter each other for the Steam Deck. And after that, everything will be fine. You wake up, and the steam deck will say: hello Roger, your peristaltis is going to activate in 5 minutes, don't forget to bring me to the toilet.
Ok, off with the jokes. Dis gonna be interesting. And Gaben will swim in mony, again.
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Marty-McFly
Banned
Steam Deck is gigantic, it's like carrying around a skateboard.
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rnlval
Member
GDP Win3 Doom Eternal, low settings, 50% rendering resolution result. LOL
Lenovo Thinkpad L14 's Ryzen Pro 7 4750U's Doom Eternal has nearly 60 fps medium settings, native 720p static. Ryzen Pro 7 4750U's 8 cores were reduced to 4 cores (via MS Config's setting) enables Vega IGP to reach a higher clock speed, hence closing the gap with Deck's Doom Eternal results.
Deck's 4 cores Zen 2 physically limits CPU TDP usage when compared to normal Ryzen U series with 6 or 8 core CPUs which enables the iGPU to reach high clock speed.
Aya Neo can be further optimized for handheld gaming when CPU cores are reduced down to 4 cores from 6 cores via MS Config's setting. Manual re-configuration may need to be applied against AMD's default balance power settings which are designed for running desktop PC applications instead of pure mobile gaming workloads. Limiting Doom Eternal's CPU affinity (thread count) is important for maximizing the iGPU within a set power budget.
Aya Neo's Ryzen 5 4500U 6 cores/6 threads with 1.15 TFLOPS Vega 6 is not ideal hardware to close the performance gap with Steam Deck i.e. it needs to be Ryzen 7 4750U/4800U series.
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rnlval
Member
Steam Deck is gigantic, it's like carrying around a skateboard.
Steam Deck is slightly wider than the original Switch. The mouse touchpad is important for mobile PC gaming.
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Marty-McFly
Banned
Slightly?
Steam Deck is slightly wider than the original Switch. The mouse touch pad is important for mobile PC gaming.
Switch is huge as it is for a handheld. That is a giant.
Pretty sure in the future will come in a more consumer friendly form factor though.
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rnlval
Member
Again, the mouse touchpad is important for mobile PC gaming. End-user experience is important. I want my future Xbox controller to integerate the mouse touchpad.