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So is Hitman the only major stealth player left now?

With Metal Gear ending, Splinter Cell failing with Gaas, and will likely fail again with the rumored new game, which is also trying to be Gaas, Stolen never getting a sequel, Mark of the Ninja being just one game, Deus Ex changing to a FPS/RPG and Dishonored dead, that only leaves Hitman as of June 1st, 2021 for big players in the genre.

Now don't misunderstand me Hitman is the best stealth series, the only one that does disguises well, and has kept IO afloat even after being kicked out the house by Square Enix. Reboot Hitman 3 is itself a fantastic game, but it seems Hitman is all alone in the world.

I like Hitman but this kind of sucks for hardcore stealth fans. I know there's a second remake of MGS1 on the way, but it's still not a new game.
 

xrnzaaas

Gold Member
The only major IP - sadly yes.

BUT we have:
- Gloomwood
- Aragami 2
- Sniper Elite 5
- Commandos Origins
- War Mongrels
- LotR Gollum
- Shadow Tactics expansion
- Serial Cleaners
from smaller projects to look forward to
 

Flabagast

Member
Yes and it's a shame, and the big budget immersive sim (which is basically a kind of more elaborate steath game and in which we can include Deus Ex, Dishonored, Hitman and maybe MGS5) along with it.
 

JoeBudden

Member
a lot of games turn into stealth games on the highest difficulty lol

hitman aint the only stealth game left
 

brian0057

Banned
There's also the Styx series.
Superb stuff. I wish those guys (I think it's either Cyanide Sturios or Spiders. One of those) made a new Thief game.
Please, wrest the IP from Square since they obviously don't know what to do with it.

so AC was never stealth?
It stopped being stealth after the second game.
Now stealth is just an appendage clumsily bolted on to a mediocre third person, open world collectathon of a series.
 

poodaddy

Gold Member
Did OP just say there's a remake of MGS coming? Has this been announced yet? Thought it was just rumored.
 
The stealth and AI in Hitman always felt poorly done to me. The Last of Us 2 is the best stealth I've played in the last few years.

The AI is intentionally kinda dumb because thats the only way these games really work. IMO it plays into the tongue in cheek nature of these games.

Its a also a very different kind of stealth and doesnt scratch the same itch as Splinter Cell
 

Alandring

Member
I think stealth is the kind of game too niche to be a successful AAA. Hitman is successful and I'm really happy for IO Interactive, but I doubt we could have many more stealth IP.

There's also the Styx series.
Superb stuff. I wish those guys (I think it's either Cyanide Sturios or Spiders. One of those) made a new Thief game.
Please, wrest the IP from Square since they obviously don't know what to do with it.
It's Cyanide. I doubt they will ever do that. Not totally impossible, but usually Cyanide prefer to create a new IP or use a non endemic IP (like GoT, Vampire The Masquerade, etc).
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
The AI is intentionally kinda dumb because thats the only way these games really work. IMO it plays into the tongue in cheek nature of these games.

Its a also a very different kind of stealth and doesnt scratch the same itch as Splinter Cell

Spies vs Mercs had intelligent opponents (real players) and it's the greatest God damn stealth game ever made. Stupid AI is a crutch, not a requirement.
 
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It's a great game and all but it's also different since it is so focused on disguises.
It doesn't have to be. Every single level is completable with just the suit (no disguise). They're designed that way. Hence, the "Suit Only" challenges for every level.
 
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Spies vs Mercs had intelligent opponents (real players) and it's the greatest God damn stealth game ever made. Stupid AI is a crutch, not a requirement.
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Verchod

Member
Deus ex had not become an FPS/RPG. It's still very much an immersive SIM, though it does appear to be dead.
 

brian0057

Banned
After Deadly Shadows and 2014, hard pass.
You take that back. Deadly Shadows is amazing.
A worthy successor to the first two games and one of the best stealth games ever made.
It also includes probably the most terrifying gaming level ever made in the form of The Shalebridge Cradle.

Is it better than the first two? No (although the amount of tomb raiding and zombies in the first game make me wanna say it's better than it). But it's a spectacular game all the same. And I'm talking as someone that played it for the first time a couple of years ago. I'm 31 now. Still one of the best stealth games I've ever played.

As for 2014, yeah. That game can go fuck itself.
I still can't believe Eidos went from making the masterful Deus Ex: Human Revolution to developing that piece of shit.
 

FutureMD

Member
I've been enjoying days gone trying to be stealthy and you can do that for most of the missions. I suggest you try it out if you haven't yet, or at least take a look.
 

Cherrypepsi

Member
I remember how mindblowing it was to play the Thief 2 Demo in 2000. Sneaking over the rooftops into the Mechanist Tower. Stealthing was not optional, the music, the atmosphere. I learned that games can be more than just killing all the enemies as fast as possible.

Maybe this is pure nostalgia, but I just want a game to recreate this feeling.
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
I hear wonderful things but I've dabbled and it doesn't exactly fill the space left behind by the stealth experience you get in Splinter Cell or MGS.

Imo anyway. I'd love to take that back.
MGS is defiantly a different style of game. HItman is a lot about the story and situational events and even comedy, where a MGS is about being tactical. Both are great but very different.
 

junguler

Banned
stealth only is boring, i prefer the panther style (kill everyone but don't sound the alarm) and many games allow it.
 

CitizenZ

Banned
There is this very small indie franchise called Ass Creed that sometimes has a lot of stealth. There is also Dishonored, Deus EX , Sniper Elite, Batman, etc. etc. etc. You guys really need to play more games.
 
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bender

What time is it?
You take that back. Deadly Shadows is amazing.
A worthy successor to the first two games and one of the best stealth games ever made.
It also includes probably the most terrifying gaming level ever made in the form of The Shalebridge Cradle.

Is it better than the first two? No (although the amount of tomb raiding and zombies in the first game make me wanna say it's better than it). But it's a spectacular game all the same. And I'm talking as someone that played it for the first time a couple of years ago. I'm 31 now. Still one of the best stealth games I've ever played.

As for 2014, yeah. That game can go fuck itself.
I still can't believe Eidos went from making the masterful Deus Ex: Human Revolution to developing that piece of shit.

Deadly Shadows is trash.
 
It stopped being stealth after the second game.
Now stealth is just an appendage clumsily bolted on to a mediocre third person, open world collectathon of a series.
you know you can still play it stealthily and that you don't need to collect every kind of crap more than you need in TW3 or Botw, right?

last AC I played was Odyssey and truly loved it. If it's too overwhelming you can just focus on main campaign.
 
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Krappadizzle

Gold Member
You take that back. Deadly Shadows is amazing.
A worthy successor to the first two games and one of the best stealth games ever made.
It also includes probably the most terrifying gaming level ever made in the form of The Shalebridge Cradle.

Is it better than the first two? No (although the amount of tomb raiding and zombies in the first game make me wanna say it's better than it). But it's a spectacular game all the same. And I'm talking as someone that played it for the first time a couple of years ago. I'm 31 now. Still one of the best stealth games I've ever played.

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Though, I will concede that Shalebridge Cradle is FUCKING AWESOME. Best level in that game by a big margin and one of the most memorable in the whole series. Still, overall, that game sucked. Certainly looked pretty good though in it's day.
 

kiphalfton

Member
There is this very small indie franchise called Ass Creed that sometimes has a lot of stealth. There is also Dishonored, Deus EX , Sniper Elite, Batman, etc. etc. etc. You guys really need to play more games.
Batman and Assassin's Creed are barely even stealth games. It's actually an insult yo call them that.
 
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