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Microsoft is finally clarifying the situation regarding future Bethesda games
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You have to be pretty pathetic to save replies for console warring. I'm not surprised it's you though, you're Spencer's right hand man.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
exclusives suck when the platform developer is putting games on other platforms as an example street fighter being exclusive last gen but other cap on games being on all platforms. That kinda sucked
no problem with Sony or Microsoft putting their own games on their platforms as its business and that’s how you get more people on your platfomr
phil_t98
#SonyToo
to be fair it’s all a bit pathetic that so many “KNEW” they wouldn’t be exclusive when nothing was said befor hand. Loads of posts that Xbox fans had to put up with of 7.5 billion is to much of an investment for them to be exclusive a sun so on, then when Sony moneyhat stuff there’s a million excuses why it’s ok when it goes that way.
both have the warriors
No, it really doesnt mean that, at all. Good try though.
yes those games are legacy (the entries already released) and if ms update those games PlayStation will receive the update. NEXT Doom NEXT Fallout NEXT Elder Scrolls etc etc....are not legacy because are new entries
So basically is not what you mean at all
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MicrosoftMediaPro
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I really like it how PlayStation Fans beg for Microsoft 1st Party Games 
Now Microsoft should buy Square Enix and Capcom to strengthen their Japanese Market and Game Pass.
Now Microsoft should buy Square Enix and Capcom to strengthen their Japanese Market and Game Pass.While I honestly don't like any of their games, the best of meltdowns would be having an Xbox exclusive made by From soft. Gaf and Era would crash after 10 minutes from the news. imagine ahahahI really like it how PlayStation Fans beg for Microsoft 1st Party Games
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Chessmate
Banned
Phil is the type of guy that always asks himself: What would Jesus do? Then he does what's best for the company.
Shmunter
Member
“That we will go do”
Do what?
It’s all reasonably clear to me, maybe years in law helps. But that shouldn’t be needed for English speaking grownups. Yes Phil is definitely being obtuse to cover for Xbox, but that ain’t it.
I suspect most of you are reading it properly even if not admitting it
Print, bury, hold onto your hats.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I thought we covers this yesterday and have differing views on it ?
Shmunter
Member
Legacy actually means franchises. And communities are the built in fan bases of those.
You really should listen Parris prediction it will help you to understand better what Phil mean saying legacy
hint: it's not what you was meaning
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smart_brazileiro
Banned
And still not buying an Xbox. But I admit I'm a bit salty now. I want my ES VI.
Yeah exactly. I’ve always been a PlayStation only player cos I’ve never had an excuse to get both consoles. It seems now I have to at least get both or a pc now cos I definitely want to play the next elder scrolls.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Legacy means older franchises, and there are two ways of reading it. Your way and my way
Shmunter
Member
Thought we had unfinished business. Moving on.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
There will be many more debates but this one we see it differently on legacy’s meaning
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Your definition of legacy covers 100% of their titles + soon Deathloop and Ghostwire. I mean, I get being optimistic but that seems like a massive stretch.
The thing is ...all those studios will produce a huge amount of titles. It's not just Bethesda at this point, but Bethesda + all the other recent acquisitions + the old studios. If you try to make a list of new titles announced and known titles that will likely see sequels you will understand for yourself that right now Microsoft simply has the largest First party offer on the market. If you think you can access all this for only 9.99 well there is little to say.
This is not to say that other platforms are outdone. We all know how amazing Sony First parties (or Nintendo of course) are but I just wanted to point out that while before, for the entire last gen, leaving out some gems, the Xbox offering was simply skippable, today if you are true gamers ... it just isn't anymore.
Marcus Aurelius
Banned
Nope you should've bought a good PC (if you didn't have one already) since everything will release day one on PC anyway.
PC + PS5 stays the goat combo this gen.
Wizz-Art
Member
Spencer himself confirmed what Parris said during his podcast. For legacy they mean old titles and not new entries.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
You break a deal with a billion dollar corporation and you are going to get sued into oblivion! Sony would no doubt welcome it too as they'd likely to be able to get more money in costs and damages than they'd make from the exclusivity itself.
Look at what Zenimax did to Oculus/Facebook.
Console and PC are very different experience
Fashionably Late
Neo Member
I thought “legacy” was a fairly standard software industry term to refer to existing software that may be old or even considered obsolete. At least that’s how we use the term at my F500 enterprise software company. New products we offer, even if they are closely related, are not part of that ”legacy”. I assume Phil is using legacy in much the same way and new games will not be under the legacy umbrella, but patches and updates to existing games will be.
Concern
Member
Gotta get through the coping phase first. Still plenty of denial and meltdowns
.So many awesome hot takes in the other threads and now its just coping.
Marcus Aurelius
Banned
Not anymore, it's easier than ever to play with controller and hook up your pc to an actual tv to get the couch gaming experience and you get better graphics with PC anyway.
This news just confirms there is zero need to buy an Xbox console.
Concern
Member
Don't have to necessarily break it. Just buy it out, they obviously have the funds for it.
Wizz-Art
Member
It's like a big disaster that happened and you kinda don't wanna look but you have to just because...Gotta get through the coping phase first. Still plenty of denial and meltdowns
So many awesome hot takes in the other threads and now its just coping.
Concern
Member
It's like a big disaster that happened and you kinda don't wanna look but you have to just because...
Everything they've used as ammo or said wouldn't happen, did.
This discussion is dead, eventually they'll grasp reality. Just waiting on the inevitable tlou for pc threads now.
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sublimit
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ZywyPL
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I think it was rather obvious that the acquisition was made to first and foremost strengthen the GP offering. Being able to have all those games as XB exclusives is a nice bonus, but that's a secondary objective, GP is Microsoft's main focus/strategy now.
So that being said, it's a given that all Bethesda/Zenimax games from now on will be available on day 1 on Game Pass, most likely on both XB and PC (alongside with ordinary 70$ digital/physical distribution obviously). While for other platforms that don't support GP, like Playstation for example, there are few scenarios:
-a game will be available on day 1 for 70$,
-a game will be available months/years later for 70$,
-a game will never be available.
I specifically said "a game" because I don't think MS will apply either of the above strategies to all titles across the board, rather on a case by case basis, I believe smaller games will be available on day 1 no issue, whereas huge AAA franchises like Fallout for example will be at least timed exclusives.
The elephant in the room is idTech tho, being able to use one of the best, most efficient game engine out there across all the studios MS is an amazing feat for MS.
So that being said, it's a given that all Bethesda/Zenimax games from now on will be available on day 1 on Game Pass, most likely on both XB and PC (alongside with ordinary 70$ digital/physical distribution obviously). While for other platforms that don't support GP, like Playstation for example, there are few scenarios:
-a game will be available on day 1 for 70$,
-a game will be available months/years later for 70$,
-a game will never be available.
I specifically said "a game" because I don't think MS will apply either of the above strategies to all titles across the board, rather on a case by case basis, I believe smaller games will be available on day 1 no issue, whereas huge AAA franchises like Fallout for example will be at least timed exclusives.
The elephant in the room is idTech tho, being able to use one of the best, most efficient game engine out there across all the studios MS is an amazing feat for MS.
Concern
Member
For someone who "doesn't care" so much. You've definitely shown us with the continuous insults and personal attacks how much you really "don't care" lol.
Riky
$MSFT
That's some collection right there, it's like a carnival of stupid.Some of them are still clinging on as well, bless them.
sublimit
Banned
Did you see the gif he posted for me?Oh yes you did you even laughed at it.
I love hypocrites like you that don;t care when someone insults people they don't agree with but get offended and triggered when others are getting the same treatment. Keep up the double face and hypocrisy buddy you have a great future in this site!
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MilkyJoe
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You'll need to buy a PC or an Xbox. Thats the only thing you need to know
i have a pc with a 3070 and a very old pc player (from the dos times) ..those two platform aren't giving the same experiences. The PC has gotten very close but still Windows has two thousand queues that can go wrong before simply allowing you to launch the game.
But if your point was that having a Microsoft Windows pc you don't need the xbox sure ...with a different experience but you will certainly have all the games Microsoft want exactly this
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FatKingBallman
Banned
But, of course, blame Sony camp and how they eat crow, but DELIBERATELY ignoring what MS said recently and more than a half a year ago :
Last year :
Are Xbox Series X developers being held back by Xbox One?
This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss life as a Microsoft-owned comp…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Yeah, Xbox fans, this is what your leader said. He wouldn't exclude others from being able to play and force to buy Xbox. But Zenimax acquisition happened and now flip-flop. Isn't than nice, Xbox fans. Never change, Xbox fans, never change. But it is understandable since you needed a fuel in a console wars because you were mocked in last 10+ years.
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sublimit
Banned
And you need to start learning to read English. That's the only thing you need to know.
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Shelookdlvl18
Banned
But, of course, blame Sony camp and how they eat crow, but DELIBERATELY ignoring what MS said recently and more than a half a year ago :
Last year :
Are Xbox Series X developers being held back by Xbox One?
This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss life as a Microsoft-owned comp…
Yeah, Xbox fans, this is what your leader said. He wouldn't exclude others from being able to play and force to buy Xbox. But Zenimax acquisition happened and now flip-flop. Isn't than nice, Xbox fans. Never change, Xbox fans, never change. But it is understandable since you needed a fuel in a console wars because you were mocked in last 10+ years.
The salt is strong in this one.
Imagine being so daft as to post all that to argue a point that doesn't exist. What a shame really.
Hey genius, you don't have to buy an Xbox to play them, so no... They're not forcing you to buy it.
I agree as a XSX owner that the "legacy" sentence might be debatle, although it doesn't bother me if it's coming to PS5 as long as I can get my games "for free" in GP.
However, I still don't think that big system sellers as TES6, FO5, Starfield are releasing on Playstation.
In my opinion, the "legacy" sentence could have 2 meanings:
1. Legacy titles are games which are currently on Playstation (also older titles) and if there are future releases of DLCs, remasters, collections (think of Halo MCC), then Playstation will get those games as well as they already have some kind of version.
2. Some people take legacy literally, but then I would argue that games like TES or Fallout don't have a real "legacy" there. I mean they were released from PS3 onwards, which isn't a legacy for me. Fallout 1 and 2 are not on PS, and even Morrorwind hasn't been released on PS (but on XBox). On the other hand this might be an indicator for Indiana Jones as those games were already released from PS2 onwards.
However, I still don't think that big system sellers as TES6, FO5, Starfield are releasing on Playstation.
In my opinion, the "legacy" sentence could have 2 meanings:
1. Legacy titles are games which are currently on Playstation (also older titles) and if there are future releases of DLCs, remasters, collections (think of Halo MCC), then Playstation will get those games as well as they already have some kind of version.
2. Some people take legacy literally, but then I would argue that games like TES or Fallout don't have a real "legacy" there. I mean they were released from PS3 onwards, which isn't a legacy for me. Fallout 1 and 2 are not on PS, and even Morrorwind hasn't been released on PS (but on XBox). On the other hand this might be an indicator for Indiana Jones as those games were already released from PS2 onwards.
Wizz-Art
Member
But, of course, blame Sony camp and how they eat crow, but DELIBERATELY ignoring what MS said recently and more than a half a year ago :
Last year :
Are Xbox Series X developers being held back by Xbox One?
This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss life as a Microsoft-owned comp…
Yeah, Xbox fans, this is what your leader said. He wouldn't exclude others from being able to play and force to buy Xbox. But Zenimax acquisition happened and now flip-flop. Isn't than nice, Xbox fans. Never change, Xbox fans, never change. But it is understandable since you needed a fuel in a console wars because you were mocked in last 10+ years.
MilkyJoe
Member
FatKingBallman
Banned
Like i've said, blaming others and deliberately ignoring what Phil said. Yes, Phil is now forcing you to buy Xbox ( outside who doesn't have a decent PC ) if you want to play in future new Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored, The Evil Within, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls. Cheers!
FatKingBallman
Banned
Naaah.... Just shows how Phil Spencer is flip-flop corporate suit.
Concern
Member
Thing is, its not the first insult you've thrown in these threads. But sure, thanks
But, of course, blame Sony camp and how they eat crow, but DELIBERATELY ignoring what MS said recently and more than a half a year ago :
Last year :
Are Xbox Series X developers being held back by Xbox One?
This is part of a series of features with Xbox Game Studios. Check out the teams discuss life as a Microsoft-owned comp…
Yeah, Xbox fans, this is what your leader said. He wouldn't exclude others from being able to play and force to buy Xbox. But Zenimax acquisition happened and now flip-flop. Isn't than nice, Xbox fans. Never change, Xbox fans, never change. But it is understandable since you needed a fuel in a console wars because you were mocked in last 10+ years.
Your leader? WTF? Some of you need to take a step back, holly shit. ahahhaha.
Just buy a pc or don't play at all.
No has 100% right, I can't wait to play the next Doom game on my Atari Jaguar....
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