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[Derktron]

No one cares if you don't like Gamepass or PlayStation Now, this is not meant for you if you are the ones who complain about having to buy the games to "Keep them". It's not meant for you, it's meant for people who play a game once and just leave it alone, these services are something that many of you naysayers will have to get used to it. I don't understand why the hell anyone thinks that anyone cares if you hate the idea of Gamepass or even PlayStation Now. Nothing is going to fully change over this generation or the next. You will still be able to buy games and guess what if you want to get technical about games being taken away, developers can do the same thing with games that are bought if a game goes south and they need to shut down the server or whatnot. Just like what happened to Cyberpunk 2077 being removed from PlayStation Store (And for good reason). It can happen with the games you treasure.


All I'm trying to get at is that these services can coexist with the traditional way of consuming games.

 

[Skifi28]

All I'm trying to get at is that these services can coexist with the traditional way of consuming games.

*For now*



We shall see. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure about the future.

 

[Quixz]

okay

 

[Kuranghi]

*complains about gamepass*

 

[Elektro Demon]

Nobody cares about people who care too much about stuff on the internet.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

No one cares if you receive a curated list of games at a discounted rate, either.

 

[M1chl]

*complains about gamepass*

Heavily?

 

[sunnysideup]

Hey lets create another thread and prove how lame gaas-pass is.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Can we at least all come together and rejoice the failure of Stadia?

 

[Pejo]

OP is so brave.....

Spoiler

It's also ok to speak up against services like these that take game ownership away from the consumers. We've seen time and time again that when big companies can score an anti-consumer move and have the masses accept it, they will just keep going and going until they hit the point that people will give them shit for it. I personally like owning physical games, so service based "a la carte" stuff is very unappealing to me, and thats ok.

 

[Blond]

Aight

 

[Clear]

My only concern is that if this sort of offering continues to be popular it basically invites loading up product with MTX in order to offset the reduced income from initial buy-in. Basically freemium for less mainstream offerings.

The distribution model and its economics ultimately shapes the nature of content. You can see this very clearly in how the mobile market has evolved over time.

 

[AGRacing]

OP is so brave.....

Spoiler

It's also ok to speak up against services like these that take game ownership away from the consumers. We've seen time and time again that when big companies can score an anti-consumer move and have the masses accept it, they will just keep going and going until they hit the point that people will give them shit for it. I personally like owning physical games, so service based "a la carte" stuff is very unappealing to me, and thats ok.

Don't forget stunning.

 

[cireza]

GamePass is another option for people to consume video-games. People who are convinced that it is shit should simply ignore it. If it is a shitty as they think, the service will die a quick death. But if this doesn't happen... then... maybe that these people were wrong

 

[anothertech]

Still doesn't help the no next gen games situation. But, good on ya op. Heartily agree.

 

[laynelane]

Even if no one cares, as you put it, people will continue to express their opinions on a gaming related subject on a gaming forum. Just like you advise others, you will have to get used to it.

 

[Derktron]

*For now*



We shall see. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure about the future.

Yep, the future of gaming is up in the air when cloud gaming is becoming the main focus for companies like Microsoft. That's why I gave a prediction of when I expect to see a major change in how we consume our gaming. I expect after this generation and the next. We could see a major change.

 

[cireza]

Even if no one cares, as you put it, people will continue to express their opinions on a gaming related subject on a gaming forum. Just like you advise others, you will have to get used to it.

The persons I like the most are those who dislike something, and come into every single thread about it, and tell us how much they dislike it. Sometimes, it becomes almost impossible to have a normal discussion.

When you don't like something, you can tell it to the world, to feel better (if it helps you ?), one, two or three times. But then, when everyone knows perfectly well your opinion, I think that you can move on.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

People are really passionate about Game Pass Concern. It is what it is.

 

[Derktron]

Still doesn't help the no next gen games situation. But, good on ya op. Heartily agree.

I don't understand what you mean by that, are you talking about the lack of new games or?

 

[Rubik8]

Maybe I’m wrong but I bet Microsoft’s ultimate strategy is that most games (the ones they control 100%) are only available on Gamepass. I hope this isn’t the case. We’ll see.

 

[Reality Czar]

The big problem is that there are too many Gamepass related threads, so whenever I am looking at something to talk about in gaming, the front page is full of threads about GP. If people don't want to hear discussion, they shouldn't make so many threads on the topic.

 

[fart town usa]

Considering my internet set up consists of AT&T aDSL, lol...I don't anticipate utilizing PS Now anytime in the near future. It takes upwards of a day to download a PS4 title, lol.

I do think the Game Pass and PS Now are fantastic services if you have the proper internet speed.

 

[Derktron]

People are really passionate about Game Pass Concern. It is what it is.

I'm not, I like the service but I think it's all over the place. I do like PS Now where it's more organized.

 

[Reality Czar]

Maybe there could be a dedicated Game Pass OT where people who are into the service can discuss, rather than spilling it over into separate threads? A place for enthusiasts where non-fans can know to stay away.

 

[Derktron]

Considering my internet set up consists of AT&T aDSL, lol...I don't anticipate utilizing PS Now anytime in the near future. It takes upwards of a day to download a PS4 title, lol.

I do think the Game Pass and PS Now are fantastic services if you have the proper internet speed.

That I can agree on with PS Now, as it's an issue for cloud gaming but for Gamepass, I don't understand, you don't stream your games, you download them as any other bought game.

 

[Derktron]

Maybe there could be a dedicated Game Pass OT where people who are into the service can discuss, rather than spilling it over into a separate threads?

I think that would be great, but let's add other services like PS Now and I guess Google Stadia?

 

[BattleScar]

In my experience far fewer people make threads talking about how little they like GamePass or PSNow.
On the contrary, I'm pretty sure I see a new thread raving about how GamePass/PSNow is an amazing feature that is the future of gaming, pretty much every other week.

 

[ArtemisClydeFrog]

Can we at least all come together and rejoice the failure of Stadia?

 

[SLB1904]

That I can agree on with PS Now, as it's an issue for cloud gaming but for Gamepass, I don't understand, you don't stream your games, you download them as any other bought game.

I think that would be great, but let's add other services like PS Now and I guess Google Stadia?

you know what else you can do with ps now?

''you download them as any other bought game.''

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think cloud gaming will fail real hard, faster than battle royale.

MS had an idea that XSX will run 4 games at native 1080p because it can run all games at native 4K@60fps, now even more games can't sustain 1440p on both consoles. It's just too expensive to sustain and Stadia's way, like it or hate it, is the only way that you can sustain cloud gaming, by actually buying them even if slightly cheaper.

Sony doesn't have the guts to load servers with PS5's, I can see Sony making PS Now the go-to BC service at most. It's simply too expensive to sustain and with currently having only 18 million subs on GamePass it's insultingly low. Heck PS Plus has probably passed 50M as it was sitting at 47M by December 2020.

So love it or hate it, it's a dying gimmick.

you know what else you can do with ps now?

''you download them as any other bought game.''

Actually that's much cheaper and sustainable to have PS Now have downloadable games that are cycled instead of dedicated cloud services with actually consoles. I think Sony at most might go that route.

 

[TheMan]

Agreed. People can access games however they like. You wanna buy, then buy! You wanna stream, then stream! You want subscription access, then do that!
Options are good, and what works for one person might not work for another and vice versa, and that's ok.

 

[Animagic]

A new copypasta was born today.


No one cares if you like Gamepass or PlayStation Now, this reply is not meant for you if you are the ones who post threads about "getting free gamez". Buying games is not meant for you, it's meant for people who aren't cheap and understand the value of a product and work equity that goes into creating it. These services are something that many of you people that see the world as "What is the absolute cheapest thing I can purchase and feel like I got one over on someone else" will love because you feel like you get something for almost nothing. I don't understand why the hell anyone thinks that anyone cares if you love the idea of Gamepass or even PlayStation Now. Nothing is going to fully change over this generation or the next. You will still be able to buy games for pennies in the odd sale here and there and guess what if you want to get technical about games being taken away, it's not like you're out all that much money anyway. Just like what happened to Cyberpunk 2077 being removed from PlayStation Store (And for good reason) and people got refunds after playing it to completion. It can happen with the games you treasure. As for me and other cheap asses, I treasure only the feeling I get from getting away with playing something that normally costs $60+ for the utter summation of dirt sweepings of the floor.


All I'm trying to get at is that these services cannot thrive in a healthy market with a mindset of valuing a product and the work that goes into it.

 

[Craig of War]

OP is right i agree.

 

[fart town usa]

That I can agree on with PS Now, as it's an issue for cloud gaming but for Gamepass, I don't understand, you don't stream your games, you download them as any other bought game.

I didn't realize you download them. Very cool though, I thought gamepass was streaming. I don't have a modern Xbox console though, just a launch era 360 and og XBOX. If I did I'd totally utilize it. It really is the best deal in gaming and a God send for parents, ha.

 

[Zog]

No one cares if you don't like Gamepass or PlayStation Now, this is not meant for you if you are the ones who complain about having to buy the games to "Keep them". It's not meant for you, it's meant for people who play a game once and just leave it alone, these services are something that many of you naysayers will have to get used to it. I don't understand why the hell anyone thinks that anyone cares if you hate the idea of Gamepass or even PlayStation Now. Nothing is going to fully change over this generation or the next. You will still be able to buy games and guess what if you want to get technical about games being taken away, developers can do the same thing with games that are bought if a game goes south and they need to shut down the server or whatnot. Just like what happened to Cyberpunk 2077 being removed from PlayStation Store (And for good reason). It can happen with the games you treasure.


All I'm trying to get at is that these services can coexist with the traditional way of consuming games.

1) If Game subscription naysayers should stop telling everyone their opinion, so should the cheerleaders.

2) You need to realize that options are often a foot in the door and if they are successful, they become the standard and the old options get phased out.

 

[SLB1904]

Agreed. People can access games however they like. You wanna buy, then buy! You wanna stream, then stream! You want subscription access, then do that!
Options are good, and what works for one person might not work for another and vice versa, and that's ok.

there is no way companies will spend millions of dollars for an AAA game then sell you for 5 or 10 a month. im almost 100% there is a catch

 

[sainraja]

That I can agree on with PS Now, as it's an issue for cloud gaming but for Gamepass, I don't understand, you don't stream your games, you download them as any other bought game.

He's speaking of downloading a game from both services on his internet (not streaming and streaming is coming soon to Gamepass so this distinction on your part won't be necessary although completely unneeded in this instance since he was only talking about downloading games.)

 

[Zog]

there is no way companies will spend millions of dollars for an AAA game then sell you for 5 or 10 a month. im almost 100% there is a catch

Game subscription versions will be changed in some way. Like maybe ads on the loading screens or something similar.

 

[sainraja]

Agreed. People can access games however they like. You wanna buy, then buy! You wanna stream, then stream! You want subscription access, then do that!
Options are good, and what works for one person might not work for another and vice versa, and that's ok.

I think people are just a little worried that it may soon replace the traditional ways of buying a game once streaming & subscriptions become more popular. It is a possible scenario. I hope the more likely scenario is more like what is happening with movies vs what happened with music. Although you can still purchase music, streaming has become so easy that, who is buying anymore? And just imagine if that number goes down to a point where the companies are like, well, we can stop offering that.

 

[SLB1904]

Game subscription versions will be changed in some way. Like maybe ads on the loading screens or something similar.

and the push for dlcs.

lets take wandavision as an example did they really need to stretch those shorts episodes as a series. it felt like i was watching anime. and surprise surprise Disney everything now is series. and Raya inconsistent CGI?

yeah im yet to be proven wrong in my theory

 

[Captain Toad]

So people posting in the thread meant to discuss the benefits AND negative aspects of GamePass bothered you so little, you felt compelled to create a new thread to tell them just how much you don't care that some people aren't into it?

 

[Paasei]

For as long as it remains an option, it's fine.

 

[Zog]

and the push for dlcs.

I wonder if people buy DLC for games they only play on Gamepass and PS Now?

I am thinking that these subscriptions services could kill DLC if people don't buy DLC for games they only play on a subscription service.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

No one should care either way, if you like it or not. It's an option. I think both of those services are pretty damn good.

But I do have one thing to say... I liken (some) GamePass subscribers to Vegans , they can't go a single conversation/thread without mentioning it. Oh look at thread about a game "I'll pass... it's not on GamePass" or "This should be free on GamePass" or "Not worth it, I'll wait till it's on GamePass" "Why would I buy this, I've got a ton of other better games to play on GamePass" Look, GamePass is a damn good service... Please stop telling us about it when it's not even part of the conversation. Love you GamePass subscribers, don't kill me

 

[Nikana]

Subscription concern is always funny to me. People think because they purchase a disc of a license to use the software "forever" is somehow the "right" way to do things. The right way is whatever consumers choose. If they choose digital licenses "forever" then they will continued to be offered. If they choose subscriptions then they continued to be offered as well.

I dont think streaming wil lbe popular for awhile, if ever, but the companies havent given a propelling reason to stream yet other than connivence. Maybe they will find that, maybe the wont, but more options is always better.

 

[Zog]

No one should care either way, if you like it or not. It's an option. I think both of those services are pretty damn good.

But I do have one thing to say... I liken (some) GamePass subscribers to Vegans , they can't go a single conversation/thread without mentioning it. Oh look at thread about a game "I'll pass... it's not on GamePass" or "This should be free on GamePass" or "Not worth it, I'll wait till it's on GamePass" "Why would I buy this, I've got a ton of other better games to play on GamePass" Look, GamePass is a damn good service... Please stop telling us about it when it's not even part of the conversation. Love you GamePass subscribers, don't kill me

Sounds like Switch fans. 'Why isn't this game on Switch', 'I would love to play this on the go', 'This would be perfect on the Switch', etc...

Subscription concern is always funny to me. People think because they purchase a disc of a license to use the software "forever" is somehow the "right" way to do things. The right way is whatever consumers choose. If they choose digital licenses "forever" then they will continued to be offered. If they choose subscriptions then they continued to be offered as well.

I dont think streaming wil lbe popular for awhile, if ever, but the companies havent given a propelling reason to stream yet other than connivence. Maybe they will find that, maybe the wont, but more options is always better.

It's more like, the option the majority chooses will continue to be offered and THAT is why some are concerned. I thought that would be common sense.

 

[Mmnow]

It's more like, the option the majority chooses will continue to be offered and THAT is why some are concerned. I thought that would be common sense.

The reason the concern doesn't stand up is because it makes no sense to stop people being able to buy games to keep, even if that just ends up being digital. The whole point of a subscription service is to take all those people who wait six months, a year, five years to play a game because they're not interested enough to pay for it day one, and get them to spend more.

You're monetising the used market, or the sharer's market. You're monetising people who only get deals, or who don't have enough time to get through their backlog.

You don't get that rare unicorn who buys every title day one to spend more money by locking them into a subscription service. Right now, all those people who put Forza Horizon 4 at the top of the Steam bestsellers list would rather pay for a game than have it through Gamepass.

It makes no sense to stop them from spending as much as they like. The two entry points are aimed at different audiences.

 

[sublimit]

Well you cared enough for the opinions of others in order to make this thread didn't you?

And just so you know it goes both ways.

No one cares if you don't like as well as if you do like gamepass or PS Now either.

 

[LisaMariaMartin]

My only concern is that if this sort of offering continues to be popular it basically invites loading up product with MTX in order to offset the reduced income from initial buy-in. Basically freemium for less mainstream offerings.

The distribution model and its economics ultimately shapes the nature of content. You can see this very clearly in how the mobile market has evolved over time.

I think it's more likely that they will split up their offerings into different categories.

There will probably a base package at XX$ with several add-ons you can purchase. RPG pack - +5$/month, FPS pack - +5$/month and so on.