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[ethomaz]

You sure love to console war.

GAF and Twitter. Do you ever talk about anything else aside from console battles? On this board that's all you do. Is your Twitter the same?

You can read both... feel free to it... it is all public.

 

[The_Mike]

Lol so will also release on PC then? Lmfao, still no exclusives for xbox.

PC + PS5 combo still the best

Didn't you get Jim Ryan's memo?

The porting will start this spring with Days Gone, a zombie survival game. Ryan didn’t reveal what other games will get the PC treatment. But in the interview, he said during “the latter half of the PS4 cycle,” the company’s first-party studios made “some wonderful, great games."

That’s good news for anyone hoping to see God of War, the Last of Us Part II, and Marvel’s Spider-Man on the PC platform. “There’s an opportunity to expose those great games to a wider audience and recognize the economics of game development, which are not always straightforward,” Ryan said.

In other words, Sony is hoping it can make even more money by taking its PS4-exclusive titles to millions of PC users, since each game can cost a fortune to make.

Plus pc already have some so y games like horizon zero dawn death Stranding etc.

I keep hearing from ps players that old games are worthless anyway, even exclusives.

That tells me a 499 usd paperweight ain't worth buying for a handful of games that are in the grave after three months.

 

[FrankWza]

Why are you not getting that Sony would want it exclusive if they had a choice? It's about intent.

Sony had no intentiom for The Show to be on other consoles. They were forced.

Do you have any sources for that? I find it unlikely that they were forced. Pressured with higher licensing costs, etc., would not surprise me. But I find it tough to believe MLB told Sony there would be no baseball games this year unless Sony went multiplatform. Rather, with zero competition I think Sony more likely wanted those micro-transactions from a platform without a baseball game already.

Are you going to come up with your sources because I’d like to read it. Microsoft and Nintendo could have made an mlb game anytime they wanted.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Didn't you get Jim Ryan's memo?

The porting will start this spring with Days Gone, a zombie survival game. Ryan didn’t reveal what other games will get the PC treatment. But in the interview, he said during “the latter half of the PS4 cycle,” the company’s first-party studios made “some wonderful, great games."

That’s good news for anyone hoping to see God of War, the Last of Us Part II, and Marvel’s Spider-Man on the PC platform. “There’s an opportunity to expose those great games to a wider audience and recognize the economics of game development, which are not always straightforward,” Ryan said.

In other words, Sony is hoping it can make even more money by taking its PS4-exclusive titles to millions of PC users, since each game can cost a fortune to make.

Plus pc already have some so y games like horizon zero dawn death Stranding etc.

I keep hearing from ps players that old games are worthless anyway, even exclusives.

That tells me a 499 usd paperweight ain't worth buying for a handful of games that are in the grave after three months.

It seems you didn't read. He is talking about PS4 exclusives.

The real paperweight is the new Xbox when everything from their studios will come to PC day one.

 

[Jigsaah]

I understand, and would completely agree with this take if I thought MS needed brand exposure more than anything else. But MS has the reputation, and has dominated countless (gaming) news cycles the last 10 years. At this point I think they need less brand exposure, and more purchasers / subscribers. And I am not convinced that promising "some" non-disclosed games will be exclusive translates to sales / subscriptions in the present. And the present is when these consoles should start becoming attainable (hope so anyway).

I agree, to a point. Yes they need to continue to grow, but what is the best way to do that. By letting the cat out of the bag now or to wait for an event format. Nowadays events have been...lets just say less than stellar for Xbox. You got the Halo Infinite debacle, the Xbox Monthly snooze fests and the obvious digital events marred by corona virus. Zenimax is probably the biggest thing Xbox has ever done. The pomp and circumstances behind it should match the gravity of this acquisition. I don't think they should milk it, less it loses its freshness too quickly. But a grand presentation, full of information and hype generating details is the best way to get the FOMO meter to break for both current and prospective customers.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

That's because we're only a few months into this generation so of course the majority of games are from last gen, that will change over time and with the amount of first party studios Microsoft now have the balance will shift substantially over the years, plus the first party games don't leave the service.

The only thing that saves Xbox for now is the shortage. Without that I would fully expect 2:1 at least in consoles. Xbox falling flat in places where it should have shown the superb performance.

 

[driqe]

Fallout New Vegas 2 Confirmed.

 

[Tallahassee]

really like this one

 

[Komatsu]

Microsoft will release pre-contracted titles on all platforms - Bethesda has a slew of outstanding obligations the new owner has to fulfill.

But after that is said and done, it is absurd to think that every single AAA tentpole (Fallout, TES) will be released in a competing platform. A couple might, depending on complex contractual arrangements we are not aware of. But the crème-de-la-crème, the filet mignon, those Microsoft will keep exclusive.

You don’t buy studios in order to release titles for your competitor’s platform. I don’t know in which universe these people live.

 

[Trainsmove]

1.Xbox is a platform.
2.s/x are Xbox platforms as well as pc.
3.Most if not all of the games from it's studio will be for the xbox platform. So the 3 or so games that are going to PS5 will be the last unless Sony let's gamepass happen on PS5 and right now that's a big hard no from sony.
4.you make people get Game Pass by locking out games from other platforms.

This is the cold hard facts.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Investor9872]

TES VI, Starfield, Doom and Fall-out next will be available only on Xbox an PC.

Please leave me 100 reactions, I’m trying to achieve the trophy!

I'm always up for helping a fellow gamer out!

 

[BeardGawd]

Are you going to come up with your sources because I’d like to read it. Microsoft and Nintendo could have made an mlb game anytime they wanted.

Source for what? MLB dictates what happens with their license. We have precedent with NFL and NBA licenses requiring their games to be released on all platforms.

And really this is besides the point because The Show is not some huge game. Hardly anyone cared when it was announced for Xbox. Now if Horizon or God Of War was announced that would be a different story.

 

[Yoshi]

TES VI, Starfield, Doom and Fall-out next will be available only on Xbox an PC.

Please leave me 100 reactions, I’m trying to achieve the trophy!

That's unfair, I have posted so many hot takes in my time and never got close to that achievement (if it exists)

 

[Trainsmove]

Don’t think I’ve ever seen someone chat so much shit with so much authority. No offence mate.

He needs to talk to Sony about what's in their GPU.

 

[Shelookdlvl18]

I’m still waiting his reply why Series X’s GPU has old parts from GCN to RDNA.

He keep PR all parts are RDNA2 when we already know it is not.

The reason you'll continue to wait is because he knows (along with everyone else) that you'll never be satisfied no matter how much he proves you wrong. Not difficult to see your cheese tactics.

Make a claim>Get corrected>rebuttal with question> corrected with answer>move goalpost and repeat cycle.

I mastered that technique in 3rd grade.

 

[FrankWza]

Source for what? MLB dictates what happens with their license. We have precedent with NFL and NBA licenses requiring their games to be released on all platforms.

And really this is besides the point because The Show is not some huge game. Hardly anyone cared when it was announced for Xbox. Now if Horizon or God Of War was announced that would be a different story.

The mlb license wasn’t exclusive to Sony. So what were they “forced” to do?

 

[Bernkastel]

The mlb license wasn’t exclusive to Sony. So what were they “forced” to do?

Forced to make it multiplat, else they loose the license.

 

[Blond]

Judging by the seeth in this thread just proves you can’t spell Sony without Soy.

Come on now, y’all knew this was coming. The idea was to get those who jumped ship back into the Xbox eco system by either switching or having multiple consoles. I figured at most Starfield was coming and that’s a big maybe, but everything going forward was Xbox/PC and I’m damn sure not going back into PC gaming like I use you so I’ll get a SX eventually.

Now it’s just seeing what Sony will counter with, if anything.

 

[FrankWza]

Forced to make it multiplat, else they loose the license.

Nope.

 

[LordBlodgett]

Gamepass is about 170 games, not one.

Actually, as of right now there are over 350 games on the console version of GP. I haven't checked PC in a while though, I know it is much lower.

 

[NickFire]

Source for what? MLB dictates what happens with their license. We have precedent with NFL and NBA licenses requiring their games to be released on all platforms.

And really this is besides the point because The Show is not some huge game. Hardly anyone cared when it was announced for Xbox. Now if Horizon or God Of War was announced that would be a different story.

You've been making very definitive statements that MLB forced Sony to do something, and now you're admitting it was all speculation and doesn't matter anyway. Why do that?

 

[phil_t98]

Source?

Not all devs received PS5 devkits in June/July... not all devs received GDK Dev kits in June/July... some received both, others received just one... Sony and MS list are not equal.

Petty sure big AAA devs got both in June... same exactly date? Nope but maybe just few days or weeks of difference.

Just one piece on it but you can find loads

Xbox sending out developer kits late might be responsible for its early performance issues

The early Xbox Series X/S performance issues when compared to the PS5 are said to be the result of Microsoft sending out developer kits late.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Bernkastel]

Nope.

Yes

 

[VFXVeteran]

With PS exclusives coming to PC and Xbox continuing their support for the PC, some of you guys really need to consider going PC from here on out. It truly is the platform for which one can play a multitude of games from both MS and Sony.

 

[The_Mike]

Omg you've totally changed my mind.
Except the fact that a lot of bethesda games have previously existed on other platforms.

Previously. Before the acquisition from Microsoft.

What happened previously doesn't really matter now that there's a new owner of the company.

It seems you didn't read. He is talking about PS4 exclusives.

The real paperweight is the new Xbox when everything from their studios will come to PC day one.

And that spider man game.

You are still agreeing that older games are trash by saying "it's just ps4 games".

PC players aren't boot licking Cerny or Ryan like they are jesus. Sonys games are nothing special.

Some are good, yeah. But so are games from Ubisoft, ea, Bethesda (hehe) and many other companies.

Why waste 499 on a console as a PC player when you can wait for the game to arrive and play other games in the meantime.

Especially if sonys games can't even become classics as they are seen as trash by the players who actually played the game back then and forgot all about them already.

But hey, I won't stop you for marching out on your crusade to justify the platform you worship.

 

[FrankWza]

You've been making very definitive statements that MLB forced Sony to do something, and now you're admitting it was all speculation and doesn't matter anyway. Why do that?

Right. We could speculate that Microsoft and Nintendo weren’t able to come up with a studio to make their own baseball over a 15 year period. They were allowed to if they wanted.

Yes

link?

 

[Hustler]

This is news? They basically said the same thing before. Each title will be on a case by case basis whether it'll be Xbox console exclusive or not. If I was a betting man, the titles that would remain multiplatform are Doom, Elder Scrolls and Fallout.

Oh and before anyone says that's impossible.... just look at Minecraft and how they've maintained full support of multiplat after acquisition.

 

[BeardGawd]

You've been making very definitive statements that MLB forced Sony to do something, and now you're admitting it was all speculation and doesn't matter anyway. Why do that?

I didn't bring MLB up. I was pointing out the differences in the comparison. Honestly I couldn't care less and am done replying if you don't get it.

 

[phil_t98]

Gamepass is about 170 games, not one.

How did he even calculate that lol do people not think befor they post

 

[ethomaz]

The reason you'll continue to wait is because he knows (along with everyone else) that you'll never be satisfied no matter how much he proves you wrong. Not difficult to see your cheese tactics.

Make a claim>Get corrected>rebuttal with question> corrected with answer>move goalpost and repeat cycle.

I mastered that technique in 3rd grade.

Nope.

He knows they choose to not use all parts from RDNA2 in their silicon but that goes against their PR so I never asked him until he come to talk with me by himself.

He will never answer because that same reason so I don’t expect him to say anything more than what he said.

That let us to guess about why they choose that mix of old, new and custom parts... same for Cerny and PS5 btw.... not using all new RDNA 2 parts are not a bad thing like most of you guys thinks.

 

[Iced Arcade]

 

[Riky]

How did he even calculate that lol do people not think befor they post

They have a mental block regarding the service, but the truth is as the first party portfolio grows the value gets bigger and bigger as time goes on.

 

[rickybooby87]

"Exclusives Are ‘Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About' "​

-An actual statement from Phil.

Do you honestly think that Uncle Phil Spencer or Yappin' Jim Ryan care about anything other than $$$?

You can already buy those games on PC, XBOX, PS, Nintendo.

And somehow, you think their big move is to eliminate 30-40% of console revenue right off the top? It's not. Their move is to be everywhere, to be like Sega, except relevant, and highly profitable and not hardware bound. The last Bethesda game I bought was Skyrim: Definitive Edition for PS4.

Not everyone has fantastic internet, not everyone has a decent low-mid range gaming PC.

What's the smallest/easiest barrier to entry? It's not $299/$499. It's $59.99 or lower in the form of a digital download or physical copy, regardless of the "Eco System" you bought into.

Seriously, the only big things in pipeline from Zenimax (That we know of) is TES and Starfield. Deathloop and Ghostwire look forgettable in comparison.

​

 

[NickFire]

Right. We could speculate that Microsoft and Nintendo weren’t able to come up with a studio to make their own baseball over a 15 year period. They were allowed to if they wanted.

link?

The claims they were forced in the context of exclusive discussions is striking me as bush league nonsense without some receipts. I'm guessing its pure console wars nonsense to avoid the possibility that Sony is chasing micro transactions from a market without an MLB game. The gut feeling was just reinforced by the claim it wasn't brought up by someone claiming they were forced, and won't discuss it more.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

And that spider man game.

You are still agreeing that older games are trash by saying "it's just ps4 games".

PC players aren't tit licking Cerny or Ryan like they are jesus. Sonys games are nothing special.

Some are good, yeah. But so are games from Ubisoft, ea, Bethesda (hehe) and many other companies.

Why waste 499 on a console as a PC player when you can wait for the game to arrive and play other games in the meantime.

Especially if sonys games can't even become classics as they are seen as trash by the players who actually played the game back then and forgot all about them already.

But hey, I won't stop you for marching out on your crusade to justify the platform you worship.

Lol at this cope. I never said PS4 games are trash because they're going to PC, I'm saying they're old games. Weak strawman.

You can do better to defend you precious Xbox, try again.

 

[Fredrik]

Omg you've totally changed my mind.
Except the fact that a lot of bethesda games have previously existed on other platforms.

Why does that matter? If you’re talking about money then Sony is definitely leaving money on the table by not releasing all their big GOTY games on Xbox, PC, Switch too if possible. So stupid, right?

Seriously, the whole idea with 1st party exclusives is to have games that draw people to the platform. Multiplats can be played everywhere so they don’t make a difference. Crappy performance might make a difference to a small group of core gamers though, that’s why every DF face-off becomes a hot topic. But all in all exclusives are what grows and define a platform. So by sharing those with the competitors you’re decreasing the possibility to grow and define the platform. Sounds like a bad idea to me, even if there is money on the table.

 

[VFXVeteran]

And that spider man game.

You are still agreeing that older games are trash by saying "it's just ps4 games".

Yea, I'm not surprised to see this by the Sony guys. It's only the way they seem to cope with it even though they all know that if you port a PS4 game to PC with upgrades, it's essentially a next-gen equivalent game with updated graphics and performance. Horizon, Death Stranding, Detroit, etc.. are all best versions compared to the PS4. It would be like a remake for the PS5.

PC players aren't tit licking Cerny or Ryan like they are jesus. Sonys games are nothing special.

Some are good, yeah. But so are games from Ubisoft, ea, Bethesda (hehe) and many other companies.

Agreed 100%. But this is always the MO though. Not surprising.

 

[ethomaz]

Just one piece on it but you can find loads

Xbox sending out developer kits late might be responsible for its early performance issues

The early Xbox Series X/S performance issues when compared to the PS5 are said to be the result of Microsoft sending out developer kits late.

www.google.co.uk

GDK started to be shipped in June 2020 (it even included reference to the “most keep secret” Lockhart in the release notes)... Sony final DevKits stated to be shipped around the same time.

Tom Warrior is trying to find a excuse for the low performance in games saying the GDK was late shipped when it was not.

Now one part of his claim is true all SDKs have issues that keep being fixed and fine tuned thought the generation... is GDK having more issues tha than the PS5 SDK? It is a possibility but I guess nobody will tell you.

Both PS5 and Series S|X started production around the same time... that means both were all finalized hardware that counters the wait for RDNA2.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

With PS exclusives coming to PC and Xbox continuing their support for the PC, some of you guys really need to consider going PC from here on out. It truly is the platform for which one can play a multitude of games from both MS and Sony.

I'd rather be inappropriately touched by Reggie

 

[FrankWza]

I didn't bring MLB up. I was pointing out the differences in the comparison. Honestly I couldn't care less and am done replying if you don't get it.

Maybe you should go back and edit your post. You said they were forced and now you’re running away from that. I get it

The claims they were forced in the context of exclusive discussions is striking me as bush league nonsense without some receipts. I'm guessing its pure console wars nonsense to avoid the possibility that Sony is chasing micro transactions from a market without an MLB game. The gut feeling was just reinforced by the claim it wasn't brought up by someone claiming they were forced, and won't discuss it more.

they did it to keep 3rd party from being allowed to develop an mlb game. Basically EA or 2k.

 

[Banjo64]

TES VI, Starfield, Doom and Fall-out next will be available only on Xbox an PC.

Please leave me 100 reactions, I’m trying to achieve the trophy!

You should post a pair of knockers to help you on your quest;

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

I just don’t care. I really don’t enjoy Bethesda games and their accompanying bugs and jank.
They do craft incredible worlds I’ll give them that but always fall short by a wide margin with their one voice, badly animated characters that disappear before your eyes.

Game development has moved on from this but Bethesda are still utilising that tired, old engine.

I know people won’t agree with this and that’s fine, but I’ve personally come to expect higher standards. Some games meet, exceed and fall short of these expectations. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[The_Mike]

"Exclusives Are ‘Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About' "​

-An actual statement from Phil.

Maybe Spencer have since then a read on GAF, and found out that the only thing that matters are exclusives.

Lol at this cope. I never said PS4 games are trash because they're going to PC, I'm saying they're old games. Weak strawman.

You can do better to defend you precious Xbox, try again.

Already in your first reply to me showed you were a warrior. I had the benefit of the doubt, but now it's clear as fay.

I ain't defending Xbox, I ain't even on Xbox. Have been a long time ago, I'm a PC user.

The "either you are with me on team blue or against me on team Green" is so fucking lol. Why is it not possible to have an opinion like a sane person anymore.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

"Exclusives Are ‘Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About' "​

-An actual statement from Phil.

Do you honestly think that Uncle Phil Spencer or Yappin' Jim Ryan care about anything other than $$$?

You can already buy those games on PC, XBOX, PS, Nintendo.

And somehow, you think their big move is to eliminate 30-40% of console revenue right off the top? It's not. Their move is to be everywhere, to be like Sega, except relevant, and highly profitable and not hardware bound. The last Bethesda game I bought was Skyrim: Definitive Edition for PS4.

Not everyone has fantastic internet, not everyone has a decent low-mid range gaming PC.

What's the smallest/easiest barrier to entry? It's not $299/$499. It's $59.99 or lower in the form of a digital download or physical copy, regardless of the "Eco System" you bought into.

Seriously, the only big things in pipeline from Zenimax (That we know of) is TES and Starfield. Deathloop and Ghostwire look forgettable in comparison.

​

MS wants GamePass to be the future versus buying single games. They want those subscriptions, and like Netflix, they don’t care what platform they are on as long as you are subscribed. They would be happy to get GamePass on PlayStation.

 

[phil_t98]

GDK started to be shipped in June 2020 (it even included reference to the “most keep secret” Lockhart in the release notes)... Sony final DevKits stated to be shipped around the same time.

Tom Warrior is trying to find a excuse for the low performance in games saying the GDK was late shipped when it was not.

Now one part of his claim is true all SDKs have issues that keep being fixed and fine tuned thought the generation... is GDK having more issues tha than the PS5 SDK? It is a possibility but I guess nobody will tell you.

We know dev kits were out in nov 2019 for ps5 and that people had them making games

Leaked PlayStation 5 dev kit photo sets tongues wagging

A photograph of the PlayStation 5 development kit has hit the internet.The image, published to Twitter by user @Alcohol…

www.eurogamer.net

we know that is fact. Ps5 dev kits have been out way longer

 

[laynelane]

So, still no definitive answer regarding exclusivity for Zenimax titles. "...including some new titles in the future that will be exclusive..." - is quite vague. Good news for Game pass fans, though, since "...Bethesda understands the potential of Xbox Game Pass."

 

[NickFire]

Maybe you should go back and edit your post. You said they were forced and now you’re running away from that. I get it

they did it to keep 3rd party from being allowed to develop an mlb game. Basically EA or 2k.

Maybe that was the reason but I could swear there was a 3rd party game before, and that I had it on 360. The problem was it sucked and couldn't compare to the Show. I thought the series ended because of sales and not any sort of licensing issue. That's why I am guessing Sony sees an opportunity for micro-transactions. Sports games make so much money on them it seems like a no-brainer to me. But I admit I am just speculating.

 

[sainraja]

My personal take on this whole thing is this -> I would be really surprised if Microsoft actually keeps all games under Zenimax/Bethesda multi-platform (which I already know they won't, given they just said "some will be exclusive"). But that would be insanely crazy! That would put them everywhere to anywhere. When Phil first started talking, that was the impression I was getting but it all got muddier and muddier as more was said on the matter. So I am thinking not everything will be and it will really be on a case by case basis and how well they are doing on their own against Sony.

 

[ethomaz]

We know dev kits were out in nov 2019 for ps5 and that people had them making games

Leaked PlayStation 5 dev kit photo sets tongues wagging

A photograph of the PlayStation 5 development kit has hit the internet.The image, published to Twitter by user @Alcohol…

www.eurogamer.net

we know that is fact. Ps5 dev kits have been out way longer

Alpha De didn’t have the actual PS5 hardware.
These were Zen CPUs with 13TFs Vega GPU if I’m not wrong.

MS had these too.

Final DevKits with actual APU was released in June 2020.