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DF | Outriders First Look: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S vs Xbox One X!
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's very tough to calculate resolution on UE4 with TAA
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I think someone is one angry boy.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Then again, something nobody would even notice while playing. These are really high resolutions compared to framerate or frame stutters...these things are noticeable by everyone.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It's about performance when comparing consoles. VRR doesn't fix the problem because the problem is still there.
TheDude108
Member
I think someone is one angry boy.
Riky's Hispanic cousin?
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I agree with that, however since we don't have the numbers of how Xbox would do at PS5 resolution, we can only speculate.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
It fixes the problem because it feels like a solid 60 even though it's not. That's why it's borderline magic.
JimboJones
Member
http://bit.ly/3b0UCbwDoes it, though? I've seen the claim but I don't see it with my eyes.
Where is it?
It does look like from those shots in the link that the SX version is using a lower filter setting.
geordiemp
Member
The only decent TV is the CX that does VRR and it looses the image quality colour when doing it.
I play on C7 and it does not like dips into the 50s, but has fanstatsic iQ with blacks that you cannot go back to greys.
If you play on a TV that does VRR your loosing alot of IQ, there is no good VRR TV at the moment - fact. If there was I would buy it.
Some people dont mind low quality picture monitors or TVs, some of us do mind.
If you want to tell us which model has great VRR and picture qality, please share the model. Most of them are poor compared to LG OLED.
Maybe when Mini LED or micro come out we will have a good solution to blacks and VRR, up until that point its poor.
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Zoro7
Banned
I won’t dispute the fact that there’s a large difference in resolution. But even DF said they both look great. It’s easier to spot drops in FPS than resolution considering they are all fakeK.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It doesn't. If it fixes the problem then they wouldn't need to optimize it.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to brag about my calculating skills. FPS >> Res
No it's also on last gen.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
The higher latency is a non-issue because we're talking about 1 to 2 milliseconds of difference. Literally not perceptible for humans. Now if we were flies or bees...
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
What does gimped physics mean? PS5 can't get it up?
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
True, but from 60 > 55 that's a 10% more of....alright that would be 1.6ms....so yeah.
Physic on flags are missing.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
I have a B9 and it is excellent. The loss of image quality during VRR is mostly theoretical. I see no difference and I compared both modes extensively.
FlyyGOD
Member
With lower a resolution and gimped physics.PS5 continues to be the one true 60fps console.
Am I doing it right?
recursive
Member
Maybe that's why they like photomode?Looks like members of XboxGAF don't care about FPS along as the resolution is higher.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Do you understand how DRS works? If the game engine detects that the framerate is going to drop below whatever threshold they have coded in, the engine automatically reduces the resolution. In this case, that lower bound resolution is 1440p on the xsx. If the framerate is above 60, you will always get the highest resolution which is 1960p in this case.That sounds like nonsense. The dips are already the lower bound. When the XSX doesn't dip, it probably runs way over 60 fps. The XSX pushes 30-35% more pixels than the PS5, so why should it go all the way down to PS5 level just to cover the lowest dips, which is around 10% below the target 60 frames?
Luckily you probably don't play on PC. Because according to you, you would always go to much lower settings just do increase fps by 10%What a waste of resources.
So the fact that you are getting framedrops at the lowest 1440p resolution all the way down to 53 fps means that the 1440p resolution still isnt good enough to hit 60 fps.
And I have been gaming on PCs since 1997. I built my first PC in 2003. my second in 2011 and bought a pre built one with rtx 2080 in 2019. i only play multiplatform games on my PC and yes, you have to reduce resolution to hit a locked 60 fps. I played control at 960p DLSS'd up to 1440p just because i wanted to make sure that when the destruction began, i maintained a locked 60 fps. You dont want 60 fps only when you are walking. you want it during combat.
regawdless
Banned
No. That's not important! Somehow.
Fake
Member
Neither frame rate.
silent head
Member
Interfectum
Member
regawdless
Banned
It's only important if it fits the narrative.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well does UE4 scales the res only one on axis or 2?
Not being able to handle people's reactions is pretty snowflakey. I see this shit all the time, it's really pathetic, you know it only makes the poster, not the reacter look sad.
I think someone is one angry boy.
There are reactions to posts on this forum, it's not even new, if you say something that is one sided, or cringey people will react.
silent head
Member
(read: nearly all)
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
But I am probably too dumb, if 100% is 2160p then the scaler is proportionately scalling XX% of that res, so do I calculate it badly?
Zoro7
Banned
I can react to posts however I want. Think you need to calm down a little.
Great Hair
Banned
XSX, XSS
- terrible frame pacing during combat
- framerate all over the place, especially on the XSS
- more importantly, both XBX suffer from a terrible motion blur
PS5
- better in every aspect, except resolution
- motion blur is minimal, cleaner IQ
- better frame timings
- terrible frame pacing during combat
- framerate all over the place, especially on the XSS
- more importantly, both XBX suffer from a terrible motion blur
PS5
- better in every aspect, except resolution
- motion blur is minimal, cleaner IQ
- better frame timings
Neo_game
Member
lol. Performance is tested by how fast the game runs and on what settings. Nobody cares about you "feel" or anyone for that matter. I checked vgtech charts and SX 1% low is 53 where as PS5 is 59fps and according to him the lower bound resolution difference is I think 14% in favor of SX but PS5 obviously runs 11% faster. IMO this is important criteria. Upper bound as already mentioned we do not know how fast the game is running on each console as it is locked at 60fps.
Stuart360
Member
Its really starting to look like last gen with the OneX having the higher resolution, but Pro having a more consistent framerate (in some games anyway).
I wonder why devs try to push rez higher with Xbox. Unless its Phil asking for it, but Phil has always talked about framerate being better than anything else.
The new tools cant come soon enough!.
I wonder why devs try to push rez higher with Xbox. Unless its Phil asking for it, but Phil has always talked about framerate being better than anything else.
The new tools cant come soon enough!.
akaFullmetal
Member
Seems like with comparisons so far which have very little differences, that if there is going to be a difference in resolution to go xbox way ever so slightly but if looking for better frame rate for games, you will go with PS5. I've been impressed with how Sony is always locked 60 when available.
XSX, XSS
- terrible frame pacing during combat
- framerate all over the place, especially on the XSS
- more importantly, both XBX suffer from a terrible motion blur
PS5
- better in every aspect, except resolution
- motion blur is minimal, cleaner IQ
- better frame timings
No no no, resolution is all that matters!!!!
JimboJones
Member
Wow, really is interesting how people are still triggered by that video. Just shows a lack of understanding on the subject.
FlyyGOD
Member
Because these are last gen games. Until these companies stop doing cross gen games this will continue to hapoen.
Stuart360
Member
I dont think the hub area is very optimized yet. Yes its running fine on PS5, but PS5 was probably the lead platform for this game due to the popularity on PS4, same with most 'next gen' games so far.XSX, XSS
- terrible frame pacing during combat
- framerate all over the place, especially on the XSS
- more importantly, both XBX suffer from a terrible motion blur
PS5
- better in every aspect, except resolution
- motion blur is minimal, cleaner IQ
- better frame timings
The hub area on my PC also drops into the 45-55fps range, and gpu usage also drops, it doesnt go up, which it should (you enter a more demanding part of the game, gpu usage should go up not down). That usually indicates bad optimization.
Captain Toad
Banned
That framerate on Series. Ouch.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It has more samples, it's not minimal. Sorry I watched it at shitty quality, I am on the phone net, I will edit my post, with this info.XSX, XSS
- terrible frame pacing during combat
- framerate all over the place, especially on the XSS
- more importantly, both XBX suffer from a terrible motion blur
PS5
- better in every aspect, except resolution
- motion blur is minimal, cleaner IQ
- better frame timings
longdi
Banned
55-60fps range is hardly noticeable.
im sure the dev could get it to 60fps locked, but time permitting.
perhaps they could drop the motion blur on SX version, which ps5 seems to be missing
LOL
I was actually on your side.
I said it makes the person POSTING that stupid shit look pathetic not the reacter, you were the one reacting.
Read before you react to things.
The DEMO for Outriders was pretty meh, also it's hilarious people are calling it a loss for Series X because it has a higher resolution, this is a DEMO so things will change.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It's cringy as fuck, but what do you expect, most people probably didn't even watched the video.
Riky
$MSFT
Yeah it's interesting that they had to drop resolution hard and remove some physics, same as with Hitman 3 where they had to go for low resolution and low quality shadows.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Are we assuming that is remotely where the games sit most of the time? Given the ranges, it’s not likely.
Either way, what’s the point if the game clearly can’t maintain smooth performance at the upper level? The resolution target is clearly too aggressive on XSX where there is seemingly headroom on PS5.
If we are seriously at a point where people prefer 2088p at 50fps over 1800p at 60fps then that’s pretty sad.
Most people will take 60fps any day of the week, especially given the distance most sit from their TV.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well I agree with all that, it shouldn't be that high, does not make sense. Especially if the difference is higher then difference of TFlops (which not say the whole picture obviously, but it's nice comparison)....
Mr Moose
Member
Only when they look at the sky.