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[paulyboy81]

At the risk of inciting a riot, NX Gamer actually gives the Series X performance the edge here (@12:10, admittedly only "maybe ever so slighty better" ) during combat.

He subsequently talks about the stutters spiking the frame-times obviously during traversal, but sweeping those aside as their own issue for a second, basic performance between the two is nigh on identical for the most part.

 

[FritzJ92]

i mean outside warrior hyperbole we are talking possibly under 1% low framerate here....let's not forget that.

Yeah I’m not sure any console is superior in this game at all. I mean it’s a port of last gen code so it’s whatever to me, I’m curious from a more technical standpoint not about 1 or two frame differences.

 

[SlimySnake]

so thx to superior io ps5 has advantage in cpu workload in some cases thats why ps5 has advantage in control in real gameplay (some suggets that stutter is only a bug)

yeah, great catch by NXGamer. i actually noticed it too on my pc (one thread usage being much higher than others) but ignored it because im no NXGamer

 

[TGO]

But really, I'm surprise Alex missed those missing double Reflections and RT stutter.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It seems like that whole video was assumptions.

What else could it be?

Now let's say the compression theory is wrong. Why would the file size be a lot smaller on the PS5 than the XSX?

Both have the same settings so it's definitely not the visuals. Maybe there's a difference in the size of the sound files? I really can't think of much to be honest.

Edit: Then there's the possibility of the XSX using duplicate assets. But it wouldn't need them since it's running off an SSD.

 

[Exanthus]

Excellent video!

 

[Bernd Lauert]

PS5 better ray tracing mentioned in 3:39.

PS5 Better performance mentioned in 8:42

PS5 no stutters like Series X mentioned in 14:07



Winner PS5

Your brain on fanboism. Not even SonyGAF giving thumbs up reactions as usual

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

XSX wins

 

[SlimySnake]

BTW, This looks like NXGamer is going to be doing these videos for IGN going forward. I checked his channel thinking he would have this video up there, but was pleasently surprised to see him on a channel with 14 million subs. Lets hope they continue this partnership going forward.

Also, I remember this gaffer just a few weeks ago trashing NXgamer on the count of his subscriber count. To him 70k vs DF's 1 million subs somehow showed how NXGamer was inferior or biased or unworthy. What a shitty fucking thing to say. But gotta love karma here because now NX is making vids for a channel with 14 million subs. Surely this means NXgamer's analysis is 14x better now......

 

[MasterCornholio]

At the risk of inciting a riot, NX Gamer actually gives the Series X performance the edge here (@12:10, admittedly only "maybe ever so slighty better" ) during combat.

He subsequently talks about the stutters spiking the frame-times obviously during traversal, but sweeping those aside as their own issue for a second, basic performance between the two is nigh on identical for the most part.

It's why he said outside of a comparison nobody would notice the XSX edge in performance. I would still give it a tie or at least say the performance advantage isn't noticeable.

 

[martino]

But really, I surprise Alex missed those missing double Reflections and RT stutter

Maybe because he never got xsx version... But he found things missed here comparing it to pc version

 

[Fake]

I want to see the photo mode perfomance to be sure.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Glad you got a job, but gonna miss the actual data you used to post under your videos NXGamer

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I recon we ban DF from NeoGaf.

 

[Danjin44]

Winner PS5

Congrats! you won your imaginary war.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

Even thou NXGamer said that in photo mode that it shows higher fps on series x is the ps5 lower on that that due to the boosting? Since the game is not in motion the frequency would drop on the ps5?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Even thou NXGamer said that in photo mode that it shows higher fps on series x is the ps5 lower on that that due to the boosting? Since the game is not in motion the frequency would drop on the ps5?

Not necessarily. He said that fotomode is missing a lot of things that gameplay has. When you bring in those things it's not just the GPU that has to work it's butt off to keep the performance up. One thing he mentioned was moving data from the SSD to the Ram. That's something you don't really get with fotomode.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

BTW, This looks like NXGamer is going to be doing these videos for IGN going forward. I checked his channel thinking he would have this video up there, but was pleasently surprised to see him on a channel with 14 million subs. Lets hope they continue this partnership going forward.

Yeah I have been checking his channel too. Seems like he's full time IGN now.

I dunno if this is because Destin (who had been setting up to be their in-house tech analysis guy, or so I assumed from his podcast comments) is on leave right now or if it's permanent.

I had hoped NX would do a Hitman 3 video but I don't see one on his channel or IGN

 

[vpance]

Am I crazy or does this game kinda suck? It feels off... I dunno

The combat is nice but the story seems utterly uninteresting.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

 

[Kenpachii]

- Game doesn't stutter on pc. It stutters on his PC because he uses a 2700 ryzen. The cpu series is camped with stutters, also typical ryzen issue. nothing to do with moving data in and out of ram.
- He has no clue what is loaded in and out and moved away from the cpu or if the cpu on the PS5 has less taxation because of it, baseless assumption.

In short nice video, sadly the moment conclusions come it falls a bit apart, still nice effort for the first video over there.

 

[MasterCornholio]

 

[Thirty7ven]

Really great work.

Incredible how the way you present data is as important as the data itself.

Please continue creating high quality content.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

PS5 better ray tracing mentioned in 3:39.

PS5 Better performance mentioned in 8:42

PS5 no stutters like Series X mentioned in 14:07



Winner PS5

*sniffs*

I smell an alt.

At around the 12:00 mark he does say that, outsider of stutters, XsX actually has a very slight performance advantage (obviously when the stutters aren't happening).

 

[Loxus]

So, thanks to NX Gamer.
The PS5 might have better RT because it's doing more in terms of reflections?
Hence, why XBSX has higher fps in RT.

How does the XBSX have better RT hardware if the PS5 is pushing more reflections and details?
Why is the XBSX dropping frames under PS5 if the GPU supposed to be more powerful?
Why are the tech guys so hang up on TF?

So many question with no answers.

 

[ethomaz]

Am I crazy or does this game kinda suck? It feels off... I dunno

The games is really good... it is actually one of the best Remedy work.

 

[SlimySnake]

Xbox has no reflections because she's a ghost.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

So, thanks to NX Gamer.
The PS5 might have better RT because it's doing more in terms of reflections?
Hence, why XBSX has higher fps in RT.

How does the XBSX have better RT hardware if the PS5 is pushing more reflections and details?
Why is the XBSX dropping frames under PS5 if the GPU supposed to be more powerful?
Why are the tech guys so hang up on TF?

So many question with no answers.

Thanks for grabbing those screens. I was going to try to capture that missing reflection for the OP but...I dunno...got lazy.

The games is really good... it is actually one of the best Remedy work.

I adore this game. I beat it on PC and Plat'd it on PS5 last week. So good. Wish it sold better, hope we still get a sequel one day

 

[Arias05]

Actually XSX and PC have double reflections they’re aligned together as show below. The glass is only a inch away from the metal surface behind. The ps5 actually has the reflection aligned further apart. I would take pc the way it’s suppose to be since it’s superior in RT

Look at face

Look at right hand/arm

 

[FrankWza]

Xbox has no reflections because she's a ghost.

Duuuuuude. You just spoiled the ending!

 

[eNT1TY]

Happy to hear NX state that the photo mode comparison is a pure rasterization test, and not something that should be seen as indicative of actual gameplay performance.
Workload matters, its not just how many pixels you can shade.

I thought this was implied with the DF video, even commented as such in that thread.

 

[ethomaz]

Glad you got a job, but gonna miss the actual data you used to post under your videos NXGamer

I believe that is VGTech.

 

[ethomaz]

- Game doesn't stutter on pc. It stutters on his PC because he uses a 2700 ryzen. The cpu series is camped with stutters, also typical ryzen issue. nothing to do with moving data in and out of ram.
- He has no clue what is loaded in and out and moved away from the cpu or if the cpu on the PS5 has less taxation because of it, baseless assumption.

In short nice video, sadly the moment conclusions come it falls a bit apart, still nice effort for the first video over there.

The game does stutter on PC as reviewed by PC Gamer in early January.

No matter the CPU.

Control remains one of the best showcases for ray tracing

And even without ray tracing enabled, you'll need a pretty beefy graphics card for higher settings and resolutions.

www.pcgamer.com

“In my testing, Control tends stutter occasionally, even on the beefiest of PCs ... except not always. The AMD 3900X, 3700X, and 2600 all had far fewer stutters in my testing. (Remember that each setting is run multiple times, in part to eliminate the "one bad run" problem.) I thought it might be the motherboard or some other factor, but then the Ryzen 5 3600 had the same stuttering problems I'd seen on other CPUs. I'm frankly at a bit of a loss as to the cause. On Intel PCs, everything from the 8100 to the 9900K would occasionally stall out for a frame or two, particularly at the high preset.

Hopefully it's just a bug that gets fixed, as it's annoying to have a PC with an RTX 2080 Ti, Core i9-9900K, fast SSD storage, and plenty of RAM hiccup like that.”

 

[SlimySnake]

- Game doesn't stutter on pc. It stutters on his PC because he uses a 2700 ryzen. The cpu series is camped with stutters, also typical ryzen issue. nothing to do with moving data in and out of ram.
- He has no clue what is loaded in and out and moved away from the cpu or if the cpu on the PS5 has less taxation because of it, baseless assumption.

In short nice video, sadly the moment conclusions come it falls a bit apart, still nice effort for the first video over there.

I believe you are misunderstanding what he's trying to say here.

Look at the CPU thread usage. One thread is particular is maxing out because the game is poorly optimized on CPUs. The reason why his 2700 suffers is because its not as fast as some of the more recent AMD cpus. the stuttering would happen anytime any CPU is maxed out. you likely wont see the stuttering on the newer 4.9 - 5.0 ghz CPUs but you will definitely see one thread being used more than the other. Alex saw those issues on PC too.

it's still an assumption, but a valid one based on the evidence presented.

 

[RPSleon]

If you go back to PS3 and PS4 early days... NX is basically doing what DF used to do.

DF used to have way more explanation about what is happening and tests when it was only articles... they used to go depth in details.

That is not a demerit to NX... the opposite it is great for us gamers.

I really feel thats missing from df now. I used to learn alot, but it seems every video is the same now.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

I really feel thats missing from df now. I used to learn alot, but it seems every video is the same now.

I credit DF for doing console to PC comparisons. I don't see other sites doing this very often, if ever at all. It is cool knowing what settings a console version of a game is running at compared to PC.

They also go into stuff like LOD/pop-in, which is something that is maybe my biggest gaming pet peeve.

 

[ethomaz]

I believe you are misunderstanding what he's trying to say here.

Look at the CPU thread usage. One thread is particular is maxing out because the game is poorly optimized on CPUs. The reason why his 2700 suffers is because its not as fast as some of the more recent AMD cpus. the stuttering would happen anytime any CPU is maxed out. you likely wont see the stuttering on the newer 4.9 - 5.0 ghz CPUs but you will definitely see one thread being used more than the other. Alex saw those issues on PC too.

it's still an assumption, but a valid one based on the evidence presented.

The stutter happens with AMD 3900X, 3700X and Intel Core i9-9900K in PC Gamer tests.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I believe that is VGTech.

Derp lol

 

[ElCasual]

Im playing right now ist a very weird game. Kinda Kojima in weed.
Is a shame the Dualsense support, there's no "vibration" in the shoots, just in the walk. Otherwise is cool the adaptive trigger.

 

[SlimySnake]

Poor NXgamer being cancelled on era right now and they are trying to get IGN to drop him. What a sad bunch of bullies.

 

[TGO]

 

[ethomaz]

Poor NXgamer being cancelled on era right now and they are trying to get IGN to drop him. What a sad bunch of bullies.

I never understood how they can call GAF altright lol
It makes no sense.

BTW that was what triggered them lol

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

I never understood how they can call GAF altright lol
It makes no sense.

BTW that was what triggered them lol

Are they actually trying to get IGN to fire him over this? Like, literallty? If so, that's really ridiculous.

 

[ethomaz]

Are they actually trying to get IGN to fire him over this? Like, literallty? If so, that's really ridiculous.

Nah I don’t they can do that.
It just some weird salty posters lol

PS. I’m already waiting they calling me altright (well I was already called leftist in GAF )

 

[pratyush]

Apparently he is banned on Era. This makes him instantly the best tech reviewer out there.

Great analysis with attempt to explain the tech behind the graphics even if a lot of us don't understand all the tech jargon. Something DF used to do before much more.

 

[pratyush]

I never understood how they can call GAF altright lol
It makes no sense.

BTW that was what triggered them lol

Obviously victim identity matters to those ERA lunatics. Michael makes a valid point of killing unarmed rioter who could have been subdued by non fatal weapons. How can you get triggered on that for God sake. That's a genuine liberal position.

 

[ethomaz]

Obviously victim identity matters to those ERA lunatics. Michael makes a valid point of killing unarmed rioter who could have been subdued by non fatal weapons. How can you get triggered on that for God sake. That's a genuine liberal position.

I believe it was excessive and American violence looks like excessive at moment including the policies (it is not different here btw).

Said that I’m totally against the Capitol invasion.

But that is a talk for another thread...

 

[Balducci30]

The games is really good... it is actually one of the best Remedy work.

Whaaaat? I dunno man Max Payne? That was amazing. I’m not sure I played much of there other stuff - like the map is just really shitty to me. I think the tech is awesome with the physics and the graphics but the fuckin map is super boring imo like I’m not at all into traveling around it - I wish I was cus I’ve always liked telekinesis and it does that super well. I feel like somethings lacking in the gunplay too - like maybe if they had a Max Payne style slow mo thing going on I dunno it feels weird to me.

 

[DinoD]

NX Gamer articulation and attention to detail is miles ahead of DF's They should have hired this dude and get rid of Alex.

 

[Balducci30]

Obviously victim identity matters to those ERA lunatics. Michael makes a valid point of killing unarmed rioter who could have been subdued by non fatal weapons. How can you get triggered on that for God sake. That's a genuine liberal position.

I’m a liberal. That place makes me sick. Sad to think that’s how a lot of right wing people view the left, and their visibility doesn’t help - we’re not all cultish tumblr-level crazy virtue signaling permanently offended creeps with no lives. They’re the worst of us in every respect.