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DF: Control PS5 Vs Xbox Series X Raytracing Benchmark
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SEGAvangelist
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What other option does DF have to do a true RT test between consoles? Does the result hurt your feelings or something?
FrankWza
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x@3f*oo_e!
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Actually it's just the map that is not reflecting, whilst more distant objects are.
If you've played control you'll know that the maps and other in game signs have huge load in issues on the engine in general. I'd guess this is what is happening here, but go check for yourself.
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SenjutsuSage
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Mister Wolf
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Too bad Remedy wants parody at the detriment of people with next gen displays paired with their next gen consoles.
SenjutsuSage
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The game just needs to be patched/improved on Series X. No bottleneck at all.
GHG
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There's a reason those benchmarks are not used anymore. They are not applicable to real world performance.
I don't know... maybe in an actually gaming scenario just as you would always do when benchmarking hardware?
OsirisBlack
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Let’s be grown ups, benchmarks are supposed to be representative of your gameplay experience. This “benchmark” is misleading.
Snake29
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Like all games we've seen from launch so far. All needed to be "patched", where the PS5 didn't had much issues mostly.
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nowhat
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Run actual gameplay tests with RT enabled, as they did with the previous Control video?
GHG
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So let me get this straight...
The "corridor of doom" is "not representative of load" because the PS5 draws uncomfortably close to the PS5 in that scenario (must be a bug, or tools right?)?
However the whole scenario of doing a "benchmark" in static photomode scenes is somehow representative of load?
They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Neo_game
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I do not think this game is optimized well and the console are probably more capable than what this game has shown. SX has 18% compute advantage on paper so you would expect it to do better on synthetic benchmarking like this one. But in real world case it is not able to keep up the advantage.
Same goes for the RAM and CPU as well. On paper SX CPU should be faster ? as PS5 has variable frequency and it max is still 100mhz slower than SX. However depending on how the console manage the task like i/o, sound etc. PS5 as some other said does on par if not better on 120fps mode as well. SX should have advantage if games uses 10gb or less RAM but since PS5 has uniform 448gb/sec BW and faster SSD it will have advantage otherwise.
Same goes for the RAM and CPU as well. On paper SX CPU should be faster ? as PS5 has variable frequency and it max is still 100mhz slower than SX. However depending on how the console manage the task like i/o, sound etc. PS5 as some other said does on par if not better on 120fps mode as well. SX should have advantage if games uses 10gb or less RAM but since PS5 has uniform 448gb/sec BW and faster SSD it will have advantage otherwise.
Heisenberg007
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This is a wild, wild idea, but hear me out ... Perhaps they could test the consoles in real-world gaming performance?
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x@3f*oo_e!
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Bittermich
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Knitted Knight
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GHG
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I didn't say that one scenario was relevant, the opposite actually (the whole thing is irrelevant).
They are the ones making a point of highlighting that one scene because it's the one scene that would cause an issue with the narrative they are forcing.
Unfortunately for them (and Microsoft), people play games in real-time, not in static photomode scenes. The in-game results are the ones that ultimately matter.
nowhat
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The game, or just photo mode? There is a subtle, yet important, difference.
SenjutsuSage
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They're getting experience. Everything they are experiencing and learning now will aide them in their efforts later. They'll release patches and updates. All of what they learn will obviously not benefit this release, I'm assuming, but this is how things work. They will get better. So I even look at these early port efforts with a positive outlook.
Heisenberg007
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Mister Wolf
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Looking forward to Crossfire X from them.
Topher
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No, they speculated that if the resolution was dropped to 1080p that it "probably" could hit 60fps when frames were unlocked "as long as the CPU doesn't get in the way". They actually showed a graphic suggesting the XSX CPU was being bottlenecked.
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vpance
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It’s been widely rumored that PS5 CPU has Zen3 like cache optimizations, where XSX doesn’t, so it should be running notably faster. The 100mhz is insignificant in comparison.
SEGAvangelist
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longdi
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SEGAvangelist
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There isn't a gameplay experience with an unlocked frame rate currently.
J_Gamer.exe
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Exactly, im surprised df have fallen into this obvious mistake. You don't say look at photomode doing so well so clearly the game could be pushed higher when you have seen gameplay struggling.
Maybe its not just the series x bottlenecked (if it is) as thought, maybe ps5 makes it appear this way, maybe its just the ps5 io and cpu, gpu etc is so efficient it performs way higher than expected because it all works so well in harmony. In game play that is when you have lots going on, all components need to work to move data around efficiently and ps5 is just better at that.
With io being much quicker it could be getting the data faster and processing it faster, render it faster, almost everything is faster. This could be what more than makes up the gap as we have seen from all gameplay so far pretty much.
No matter which side people fall on it cant be denied that results are close in games and swing dependant on dev time/skill, lead platform, engine prefers certain machine etc etc.
I can only think as games get more complex (this is last gen game still) ps5 will really start to shine, both will improve but the io really will help ps5 imo, so will the caches when code written for.
SenjutsuSage
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You are seeing like for like settings on both consoles where you are seeing clear evidence of the Series X GPU advantage. And for those speaking about game logic and other stuff, the Series X CPU is faster than the one inside the PS5 also. There's no CPU related reason for why the Series X can't handle what the PS5 is. The game is simply better optimized for the Playstation 5 than it is for the Series X, but that hardware gap is still there. It isn't a make believe gap you are seeing in these unlocked framerates. It's something that's really there. The "corridor of doom" is a small fraction of the larger game, so of course it can't be representative of the overall experience as compared to all other gameplay scenarios.
I'm not saying the PS5 is weak; it isn't. But the Series X hardware edge is there, and it will be showing up in future titles and as more devs come to grips with developing on Series X. Microsoft did create more of a headache with their asymmetric memory design, but wait till when devs start utilizing Sampler Feedback Streaming. That will free up all the memory needed to keep relevant data in GPU optimal memory.
SEGAvangelist
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What game is there to test? All the games are locked at 30fps or don't have ray traced reflections. This is a special case, and absolutely worth the video.This is a wild, wild idea, but hear me out ... Perhaps they could test the consoles in real-world gaming performance?
GHG
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Yes because the developers did not optimise that mode above 30fps on consoles. Nobody knows how that mode will perform in a real-time gaming scenario.
Unless you're going to tell me that because this photomode scenario which isolates the GPU (artificially by the way because the scenes are completely static so it's only stressing certain components within the GPU, not the GPU as a whole) is somehow going to be representative of how it would perform in-game? In which case, congratulations, we are right back to where we started before launch where everyone was looking at certain numbers in isolation and drawing conclusions.
Mr Moose
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Taking pictures?
Topher
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XSX has a higher megapixel digital camera for photo mode. Who knew?!
GHG
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Citation needed.
cyen
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This thread is something else, there is denial, cringe, fierce warriors, awesome spins, etc, etc
Regarding the video, this is a very limited comparasion between both, it's basically a pure gpu test and it confirms the obvious since both console specs were announced, XSX has the GPU advantage and in GPU heavy scenes it will probably perform better in most cases.
Regarding the video, this is a very limited comparasion between both, it's basically a pure gpu test and it confirms the obvious since both console specs were announced, XSX has the GPU advantage and in GPU heavy scenes it will probably perform better in most cases.
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phil_t98
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haven't read the whole thread but I seen the 16% better performance? whats that in?Taking pictures?
SEGAvangelist
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Topher
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Heisenberg007
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J_Gamer.exe
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A safe bet would be to say it will continue to swing per game or even per area and scene in a game.This is easily my favorite gen in decades. The XSX and PS5 have already provided more entertainment value than the Xbone and PS4 ever could.
Its almost as if the dev leaks were right, closest consoles in history.
Both have different strengths and weaknesses.
Heisenberg007
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We need a 120Hz mode in the photo mode now. Please, Remedy, do it. Static photos at buttery-smooth frame rates!
Mr Moose
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Taking pictures. Only represents photomode, not gameplay. PS5 has a slight advantage in gameplay, which is exaggerated by the stutter that occurs on Series X.
M1chl
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Nah I don't think that's the case. It simply API difference, until it's going to be proven by die shot (where is it???). Because I don't believe you can easily do some Zen 2.5 and API overhead (especially CPU) is well documented difference between Playstation and Xbox...
Trainsmove
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This game is being Held up by the developer. Remedy Decided to keep the game on a even playing field. Otherwise known as parity with the playstation 5 version. Photo mode shows that the xbox has more in the tank. Those frames could have been used to add more detail to the X.