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[phil_t98]

isn't it 42GB?

 

[Topher]

isn't it 42GB?

Yes, it is 42GB

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So both games are in "wait for patch" mode, otherwise they're identical. Easy win for the VRR capable console once both versions are patched.

 

[Riky]

Ok....but if this becomes a trend then PS5 could conceivably have the same number of games installed as XSX and have more free space. So you are going to need that expandable storage sooner on XSX than PS5.

For three milliseconds....

The Xbox version contains the files for two versions and I'd rather have the option for expandable storage than a smaller SDD with no option to expand it.

 

[wachie]

Graphics: all same
Color gamma is dark on PS5.
Both have drops to low 50fps in different scenes in 60fps mode.
Series X has a issue with framepace with UI elements and in standard traversal.
Photo Mode allow to unlock the 30fps in RT Mode that shows that both runs way over 30fps but not enough for locked 60fps.

Overall: PS5 has the best experience on consoles.

Trend continues.

 

[Riky]

Do they share the same textures and junk between versions? Is the only difference the settings?

No idea, but the Series S files will be something regardless.

 

[ethomaz]

The obvious answer despite all the armchair compression engineers in the other thread is that the Xbox file contains the Series S version as well.

That is actually not possible.

Unless you believe PC and Pro version has the Series S has included lol

 

[Mister Wolf]

The Xbox version contains the files for two versions and I'd rather have the option for expandable storage than a smaller SDD with no option to expand it.

Bingo. USB storage is cheap as shit.

 

[Riky]

That is actually not possible.

?

 

[Mr Moose]

25GB vs 42GB.

Being accurate around 68%.

Round it up to 69% larger, its a better number.
(And 39% smaller).

Bingo. USB storage is cheap as shit.

I think he's talking about the $230 SSD expansion. I am not sure if you can play Series X games from standard external drives.

 

[ethomaz]

?

It is made up bullshit.

PC has the same size.
PS4/Pro a bit lower due the different package.
All of them have similar size.

And I won’t even enter in the point that to have both version the size should be 80GB.

Only PS5 has smaller size.

 

[John Wick]

no unfortunately.

I did make a post clearly showing how he was completely contradicting himself, which he ignored. The best he mustered on my last one, was the triggered emoji.

Well maybe watch the video before commenting then?.. They clearly talk about the xbox dropping more frames and the stutter. Shame they don't put that into words properly, must be the bias again.

Hahaha! It's because he's got no comback so he uses the emoji

 

[VanEs]

Yes because I take my expandable storage between three consoles, it's nice when your console can do that.

Wonderful. Still can't see why you'd prefer negligible millisecond advantages over preserving valuable disk space/better compressed games. Doesn't make sense.

 

[AgentP]

The obvious answer despite all the armchair compression engineers in the other thread is that the Xbox file contains the Series S version as well.

Proof? Are you just spreading some nonsense that one person made up at Beyond3D?

PS4, XBX, PC, XSX - all in the same ballpark file size, 40-50GB

PS5 - 25GB

Conclusion? XSX version contains XBO version, so 90+GB? No, just the same ~45GB? Ok, new theory, the PS5 version has extra/different compression.

 

[Topher]

The Xbox version contains the files for two versions and I'd rather have the option for expandable storage than a smaller SDD with no option to expand it.

Really? That's the reason for the larger install? Is that fact or speculation?

 

[Riky]

It is made up bullshit.

PC has the same size.
PS4/Pro a bit lower due the different package.
All of them have similar size.

And I won’t even enter in the point that to have both version the size should be 80GB.

Only PS5 has smaller size.

What's bullshit? The Xbox file runs on both Series S and X.

 

[DForce]

Why would that be bad? I mean, the only issue is that among those who thought that the series x would CRUSH AND ANIHILATE the competition there was also a paternal attitude where they felt they were right, arguing about the validity of any of their "factual claims" was received with essentially aggressive responses.

When you are wrong you are wrong, the least some could do is at least let go of the smugness.

Pretty annoying, so is the PS5 pretty well balanced system or the series x somehow underperforming? both and neither depending how you look at it, they perform as they should, within the margin of error in most situations and there is no functional difference between the two. Why should any sane person be upset about this? You could be happy or not care too much, if anything it will force MS to up their game as far as games are concerned.

"Sony has an underpowered machine"
"It's not 10.2TF, it's really a 9TF console"
"The power difference between both consoles are staggering"
"It's not RDNA 2, it's really RDNA 1.5"

Do you think PS fans were going to remain quiet after seeing similar results?

No. lol

It's not bad to see similar results, but people are obviously going to look bad and laugh and rub it in the faces of the Xbox Fanboys.


This was no different when PS4 was more powerful than the XB1 and the Xbox One X was more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

 

[John Wick]

Ok....but if this becomes a trend then PS5 could conceivably have the same number of games installed as XSX and have more free space. So you are going to need that expandable storage sooner on XSX than PS5.

For three milliseconds....

Give him time to visit Dealer and Timdog and do some googling(in his case bing) to get a retort

 

[Riky]

Proof? Are you just spreading some nonsense that one person made up at Beyond3D?

PS4, XBX, PC, XSX - all in the same ballpark file size, 40-50GB

PS5 - 25GB

Conclusion? XSX version contains XBO version, so 90+GB? No, just the same ~45GB? Ok, new theory, the PS5 version has extra/different compression.

The proof is that if you download the file you can take it on the expandable storage and just play it on Series S, like I did not ten minutes ago.

 

[ethomaz]

What's bullshit? The Xbox file runs on both Series S and X.

Yeap... because it is the same version with different profiles.

You know PS4 and PS4 Pro runs the same game.
Ohhhhh Xbox One and Xbox One X the same game.

 

[AgentP]

What's bullshit? The Xbox file runs on both Series S and X.

That how all series S/X games work, there is always one file. The differences are in settings, not data. PC games don't download different files based on graphics settings (beyond texture packs, which are rare).

 

[phil_t98]

25GB vs 42GB.

Being accurate around 68%.

think you need to do maths again lol

 

[ethomaz]

The proof is that if you download the file you can take it on the expandable storage and just play it on Series S, like I did not ten minutes ago.

That is exactly how it work for Xbox Series games.
Maybe it is a new thing for you.

 

[Riky]

That how all series S/X games work, there is always one file. The differences are in settings, not data. PC games don't download different files based on graphics settings (beyond texture packs, which are rare).

No it isn't because some Series S and X games are different sizes.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Round it up to 69% larger, its a better number.
(And 39% smaller).



I think he's talking about the $230 SSD expansion. I am not sure if you can play Series X games from standard external drives.

You can back up Series X games on USB storage. You cannot do that on PS5. Anyone complaining about the time it would take to transfer between storage is just looking for something to bitch and cry about.

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[ethomaz]

think you need to do maths again lol

Nope... around 68%.

25 + 68% = 42

Like I said “over 50% difference between files sizes”.

 

[Riky]

That is exactly how it work for Xbox Series games.
Maybe it is a new thing for you.

No, some are different sizes.

 

[John Wick]

Yeap... because it is the same version with different profiles.

You know PS4 and PS4 Pro runs the same game.
Ohhhhh Xbox One and Xbox One X the same game.

It's beyond his understanding because his precious has lost out in compression........ You might as well argue with a brickwall and get more success!

 

[Mr Moose]

The proof is that if you download the file you can take it on the expandable storage and just play it on Series S, like I did not ten minutes ago.

So why are other games mostly similar sizes between PS5 versions and Series versions? There is no 2 versions of PS5 for other games why would there be for Series X/S?

 

[Riky]

Round it up to 69% larger, its a better number.
(And 39% smaller).



I think he's talking about the $230 SSD expansion. I am not sure if you can play Series X games from standard external drives.

Some you can, like Halo MCC, Sea Of Thieves etc, you can check for Durango file type and run from a HDD, saves a lot of internal space.

 

[phil_t98]

Nope... around 68%.

25 + 68% = 42

Like I said “over 50% difference between files sizes”.

Still got it wrong try again as it isn’t 42gb bigger lol

 

[John Wick]

think you need to do maths again lol

MS expert alert........

 

[SkylineRKR]

Can confirm crushed blacks are quite awful. I tinkered a lot with the settings but some corners are just impossible to see. I can't remember it being this bad on PS4. Game being only 25gb on PS5 is rather nice. Doesn't make much of a dent in the SSD.

 

[Evilms]

 

[Topher]

The proof is that if you download the file you can take it on the expandable storage and just play it on Series S, like I did not ten minutes ago.

That's not proof. My PC has the exact same install size.

 

[ethomaz]

No it isn't because some Series S and X games are different sizes.

The ones that uses smart delivery and download the high quality texture on Series X.

Control has the same textures on Series X and Series S.

 

[Mr Moose]

Still got it wrong try again as it isn’t 42gb bigger lol

42GB is the size of the game, that's 68% larger than 25(.79)GB.

 

[Thomish]

^^ that is the biggest difference between them, the install size lol and for some reason everyone is ignoring it. It is better compression on PS5 it seems but how come only this game is using it ? Just for curisoity sake would like to know the install size on SS.

Agreed. By far the most interesting thing to come out of the Control console war, yet DF didn't highlight it, nor are asking questions as to why? The same game is literally almost double the size on SX?

 

[ethomaz]

Still got it wrong try again as it isn’t 42gb bigger lol

Wut?

It is 17GB bigger or 68%.

 

[phil_t98]

MS expert alert........

Lol think you better check my post history

 

[kyliethicc]

Really? That's the reason for the larger install? Is that fact or speculation?

No thats not true lol.

 

[ethomaz]

That's not proof. My PC has the exact same install size.

It may include Series S version

Really? That's the reason for the larger install? Is that fact or speculation?

It is the usual FUD!

 

[SlimySnake]

think you need to do maths again lol

The PS4 Pro had 4.2 tflops. X1X had 6 tflops.

6/4.2 = 1.42 or 42% more tflops.

PS5 10.2 tflops. XSX 12.1 tflops.

12.1/10.2 = 1.18 or 18% more tflops.

PS5 Control size 25GB. XSX Control size 42GB
42/25 = 1.68 or 68% bigger.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

It's beyond his understanding because his precious has lost out in compression........ You might as well argue with a brickwall and get more success!

There is no compression on the Xbox version. It's the same as the PC version apparently.

 

[ethomaz]

There is no compression on the Xbox version. It's the same as the PC version apparently.

That is probably the best assumption.
There is a difference in compression between all versions (all have similar sizes) compared with PS5 version.

 

[Hezekiah]

Crushed blacks on PS5 VS. Stuttering on Series X. Series S runs at 900p. So much for the same settings but 1440p console... Lol.

Series S - so much for 1440p
Series X - so much for a 40% power advantage

 

[MrLove]

We already have sufficient material to start to understand the differences between the systems.
While the SeX is "stronger" it does indeed have more little bottlenecks than the PS5, and it should be clear already that the PS5's GPU actually have a small advantage on displaying pixels/transparencies.

What it's curious for me is the IO system.
The PS5's is being underutilized but at least is not causing problems like the SeX's. I don't understand why the Velocity Architecture is failing a little bit.

Velocity Architecture is just a "marketing gag" to calm down the fans.

 

[Mr Moose]

There is no compression on the Xbox version. It's the same as the PC version apparently.

What? None at all? Seems strange.

 

[Tommi84]

Overall: PS5 has the best experience on consoles.

yet, the only time I saw DF mentioning the winner in the title of the movie was with Series X being in the lead

 

[Physiognomonics]

So both games are in "wait for patch" mode, otherwise they're identical. Easy win for the VRR capable console once both versions are patched.

They won't patch the GPU related drops on XSX, only the allegedly streaming related drops. Those drops (the GPU ones) are more severe than on PS5. We'll see if the devs can patch those I/O drops on XSX.