FranXico
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Optimally faster IO requires big changes to a game engine, which I doubt they did here. Any speed gains here were just SSD brute force, but bottlenecks in assets management are likely still there.
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DF: CONTROL PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S 60 Fps and RT mode
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The Hamburglar
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no tower of power comment this time? Games need to be dropping frames for VRR to even work properly, so no VRR for the 1% of people with VRR tv's isnt a win.
fran.fernandez
Member
I start playing it recently (I tried before on my pc with 1060 and was not good)
still feels kinda lame.. hair shader, skin shader is not AAA, also animations and mocap are pretty lame. Some voices and movements don’t match :/
Combat is ok... glad I wait for ps plus “free” version. (The pc version I got for free or 5us don’t remember )
still feels kinda lame.. hair shader, skin shader is not AAA, also animations and mocap are pretty lame. Some voices and movements don’t match :/
Combat is ok... glad I wait for ps plus “free” version. (The pc version I got for free or 5us don’t remember )
kyliethicc
Member
10=12 once again
carloseduardocd
Member
Relax, every Xbox problem can have a patch. It's always a bug.
But PS5 problems is always GPU related.
JackMcGunns
Member
Topher
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New Yorks Finest
Banned
They mentioned at 8:33 that S|X Performance mode runs at a steady 60fps more stable overall.
muito obrigado amigo
Kazza
Member
Seriously though, the funniest part of the video was near the end where Tom asked Alex which mode he would choose, 60 fps performance mode, or 30 fps ray-tracing mode. While he tried his best to hide it, you could tell that he was a bit confused by the concept of having to choose, thinking to himself "Nah, I think I'm just going to play this on PC at 60 fps, with ray-tracing and ultra settings thanks". With Tom being the Switch guy, John the retro guy and Alex the PC guy, I think they need someone super into the two main consoles to do these type of videos. While they try to be very professional, the kind of enthusiasm that naturally comes out when covering their favoured systems and topics is conspicuously missing when covering the new consoles.
sncvsrtoip
Member
I think what they want to say that xsx has also gpu dips but additionaly this strange dips even to 40ish when big fonts appear
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Mr Moose
Member
That's not what I heard in that video.They mentioned at 8:33 that S|X Performance mode runs at a steady 60fps more stable overall.
muito obrigado amigo
sncvsrtoip
Member
on the other hand helps with being more objective
ethomaz
Banned
They did about Series S... overall has the less stable 60fps.They mentioned at 8:33 that S|X Performance mode runs at a steady 60fps more stable overall.
muito obrigado amigo
About Series X and PS5 they said the framerate drops are about the same (even the video showing otherwise)... plus Series X has additional stutter over the framerate drops.
Edit - Fixed... Series S has the worst framerate.
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martino
Member
this is what smoothing can do.This not strange and a problem for you this way i guess :
In frame-rate graph there is a dip to 40s. In the top of the screen we see 50fps.
Strange.
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sncvsrtoip
Member
lmao, watch maybe againThey mentioned at 8:33 that S|X Performance mode runs at a steady 60fps more stable overall.
muito obrigado amigo
Topher
Gold Member
Me either. That was the part where they were referencing the stutter in the Xbox versions.
Kazza
Member
Was the sarcasm too subtle?
These threads are normally well into the 10th page before I get to see them, so since I'm early this time I'm just having a bit of good-natured fun about how much argument and debate these tiny differences in resolution/fps/loading times etc seem to spark. Good times!
Eidt:
I think ray-tracing was always going to be a stretch for the new consoles, so overall this is a good port on both consoles. I'd love to see some mad dev attempt a Switch version.
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Leyasu
Banned
I watched the video, and I was under the impression that they were saying that frame rate dips were GPU, but the stuttering was something broken in the game. I didn't detect any attempts at bias on their part
sncvsrtoip
Member
its not true as we see xss has drops below 50 + stutter as xsx even in 900p (12:22)
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Shmunter
Member
So first time playing it. Am on PS5.
I’m surprised how much it feels like Max Payne from the beginning. It feels good, and is compelling. Voice actress sounds a bit juvenile, may take getting used to.
On a technical level, I feel the SSR sucks in performance mode. It completely loses continuity on the left & right edges of the screen. Somewhat distracting.
I can see why RT is so desirable here, it creates a perfectly stable image....it looks great frankly, especially with so many surfaces at play.. But I feel part of it is due to a/b flip between the poor ssr and Rt to some extent. They need to buffer beyond the screen to fix those ssr sides in performance mode.
Or even better, give us a 1080p/60 rt mode. The in game photo mode unlocking frame with rt on shooting in the 50’s at 1440p shouldn’t require much tweaking to get it to 60 in 1080p.
Edit : default black level calibration is too low. To fix - go to calibrate brightness, and adjust till last shape becomes invisible and your properly calibrated.
Edit: the temporal shimmer on bright edges is also disappointing for a game released today, and on next gen. Been awhile since I’ve seen that. Common Remedy.
Edit: have seen some people have reservations on the haptics. Personally I love the tactility of the stepping motion, the movement just feels crisper because of it. It’s like the compass app on iPhone where you feel the notches as it rotates.
Edit: love the single difficulty. And now that the action is spicing up as I play along, the physics are bonkers. Need more physics in all games! No excuses this gen.
Edit: lack of hdr is stoopid in 2021. Next gen consoles are outputting hdr by default even. You can see the pc roots here through and through.
I think I’m all edited out...
I’m surprised how much it feels like Max Payne from the beginning. It feels good, and is compelling. Voice actress sounds a bit juvenile, may take getting used to.
On a technical level, I feel the SSR sucks in performance mode. It completely loses continuity on the left & right edges of the screen. Somewhat distracting.
I can see why RT is so desirable here, it creates a perfectly stable image....it looks great frankly, especially with so many surfaces at play.. But I feel part of it is due to a/b flip between the poor ssr and Rt to some extent. They need to buffer beyond the screen to fix those ssr sides in performance mode.
Or even better, give us a 1080p/60 rt mode. The in game photo mode unlocking frame with rt on shooting in the 50’s at 1440p shouldn’t require much tweaking to get it to 60 in 1080p.
Edit : default black level calibration is too low. To fix - go to calibrate brightness, and adjust till last shape becomes invisible and your properly calibrated.
Edit: the temporal shimmer on bright edges is also disappointing for a game released today, and on next gen. Been awhile since I’ve seen that. Common Remedy.
Edit: have seen some people have reservations on the haptics. Personally I love the tactility of the stepping motion, the movement just feels crisper because of it. It’s like the compass app on iPhone where you feel the notches as it rotates.
Edit: love the single difficulty. And now that the action is spicing up as I play along, the physics are bonkers. Need more physics in all games! No excuses this gen.
Edit: lack of hdr is stoopid in 2021. Next gen consoles are outputting hdr by default even. You can see the pc roots here through and through.
I think I’m all edited out...
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Silent Viper
Banned
When PS5 SD complete fail in multiplatform games, PS fanboys say devs not optimizing it but When there are issues with SX version, blame it on hardware ignoring the real that is poor optimisation by devs. Love these 2 faced fanboys lol
Zheph
Member
A fresh example of it is Destruction Allstars with barely any loading times just like other PS5 games using the tech in place properly but you conveniently missed out blabla you know the drill
ethomaz
Banned
Sorry my mistake... Series S is the least consistent in framerate.
“Xbox Series S does seem to be the least consistent overall, but only by a very small margin”
About PS5/Series X:
“All three systems follow a very similar performance profile: the action is fast and smooth, marred only by screen-filling effects work that can cause drops to the mid-50fps region as the chaos plays out on-screen.
Owing to the dynamic nature of play, 'ranking' the consoles here is not easy - it seems that in some scenarios, Series X can outperform PlayStation 5, while in others the opposite is true.”
Kazza
Member
this is what smoothing can do.This not so strange and a problem for you this way i guess :
It's weird that simple things like text appearing on screen is what is causing many of the stutters. Alex did say that it is something that will probably be fixed, and it makes perfect sense to me that it could be easily patched, but maybe some will just take that as further evidence of his pro-Xbox bias.
New Yorks Finest
Banned
I hear ya, hopefully can be patched with a quick fix as that stutter makes no sense. Remedy's got their analysis info from DF, so fingers crossed.
vpance
Member
Good to know. I thought the game looked overly dark but assumed it was a style thing.
Silent Viper
Banned
PC version also stuuters occasionally.
Control Ultimate Edition - the next-gen experience compared on PS5 and Xbox Series consoles
Remedy's Control Ultimate Edition is out now for next (current?) generation console systems, delivering a substantial r…www.eurogamer.net
Since stutter is not gpu related that means it can be fixed.
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Heisenberg007
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FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Did you watch the same video as everyone else lol? How is this stuttery mess more stable than the PS5's rare drops to mid-50s?They mentioned at 8:33 that S|X Performance mode runs at a steady 60fps more stable overall.
muito obrigado amigo
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Alex mentioned that he'd like to take back his words on that. And that he only experienced that stutter on PC once, so this is different.
ethomaz
Banned
I will be hated again but things needs to be talked.
Pretty lazy analysis from DF again.
- Input lag not even talked (seems way higher than last gen versions)
- File size not talked (there is a over 50% difference in file size)
I mean they used to cover all points including power consumption and noise but today they do a very rushed work.
What is really happening?
Pretty lazy analysis from DF again.
- Input lag not even talked (seems way higher than last gen versions)
- File size not talked (there is a over 50% difference in file size)
I mean they used to cover all points including power consumption and noise but today they do a very rushed work.
What is really happening?
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FranXico
Member
Indeed.
What?! I'm not gonna knock the games loading for a second, because I'm still slap bang in that next-gen loading times honeymoon phase.
But every single level starts with like a four or five second unskippable cutscene, which follows an actual loading screen, which follows a matchmaking process.
Getting into an actual game probably takes a minute or so, and at least ten seconds of that is straight up loading.
It's in no way an example of anything being instant or even near it.
M_A_C
Member
DF is becoming more and more of a joke... How they spin things with no proof. PS5 obviously is the better version with a simple crushed blacks patch on the way.
Riky
$MSFT
It's dropping on both, looks like more on PS5 on the video, pretty pleased VRR support smooths it out for me, plus I don't want to have to be adjusting my tuned display settings to just see what's going on, that's ridiculous.
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Silent Viper
Banned
DF confirmed that Remedy aware of SX stutter issues and it should be fixed in future as it looks like a bug
kyliethicc
Member
Because 12>10 and Phil will take their toys away if they say anything bad about box
Shmunter
Member
The patch would be just an adjustment to base value. You can fix it today by simply calibrating brightness in the game menu.
Riky
$MSFT
"Our understanding is that Remedy is looking to address this in a future patch"
kyliethicc
Member
Crushed blacks "issue" aka just use the brightness slider in settings
bxrz
Member
Damn. The tools haven't arrived yet still?Someone get Phil Spencer on the line.
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Topher
Gold Member
Well.....there was that whole "tools" narrative as well so this works both ways if we are going to start making heavily generalized statements.
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Shmunter
Member
Sounds like ram bandwidth stalls. Hello 10-6 mixed speed ram.
What else could it be? I’m sure they can optimise around it, likely come later in a patch once they nail it.
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Mr Moose
Member
PS5? And which part? I haven't noticed that at all from the video. Looks to be drops to ~45fps in the red room on one of them ~55 on the other and not related to the stutter.
ethomaz
Banned
Moving the goal lol
Your comment continue being wrong.