Rudius
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The trilogy really need a 60fps patch for PS5, and the same for Spyro Reignited.
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Gravemind
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Alrighty then.
carloseduardocd
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The Coalition does a good job, Bend Studios with Days Gone, and others.
The main point about Sony and Epic in UE5 is optimization for third-party studios take advantage of PS5 feature-set. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica or Guerrilla doesn't need UE5, they create their own engine, probably extracting near the maximum PS console performance.
Some months ago i saw a Red Gaming Tech leak when one of his sources said that PS5 is a mix of easy PS4 programming and deep PS3 programming. And this deep programming refers to many things, like new possibilities with culling in Geometry Engine.
For example, consider that i receive PS5 devkit and will make my own engine to licence for game developers. To build easy, fast and well documented Geometry Engine APIs, it will demmand long time. And if this engine is for many SKUs (PS, Xbox, PC, etc.), maybe i will don't have sufficient time to make deeper implementations in PS5 exclusive features.
My clients probably will not take my engine and create some framework to support the best of Geometry Engine in their game. So, in this case, the game probably will not take PS5 feature-set advance (specially indie studios). But in UE5, probably it supports PS5 features in a much better way, making an easier development for third-party studios.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The way Sweeney tells it Sony was in bed with them blowing them from every angle and Microsoft was off somewhere else jerking themselves off.
(but it's not like their engine won't scale well / be optimized for XSX fairly quickly)
(but it's not like their engine won't scale well / be optimized for XSX fairly quickly)
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Shmunter
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Photo mode can always take things further because it’s not beholden to real-time gameplay frames.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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No-one said otherwise. Relax, dude.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Lol, thank heavens Sony isn't doing these uber cringe overhype marketing ads anymore.
This new gen launch (and the PS4) was far more measured and truthful in terms of the technical claims being made about the hardware capability.
As an aside though, I want a WarHawk remake soooo bad.
LiquidRex
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WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections
patentscope.wipo.int
Maybe of interest. ;-)
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Interesting, from a quick glance through the claims but I thought it would have been a SFS patent as it seemed to deal with on demand asset streaming when the resource is bound by the graphics API (in OpenGL parlance when you assign a texture resource to a sampler essentially, unless my memory is failing me faster than I thought). Interesting
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onesvenus
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It seems to be like SFS, which only deals with textures, but for geometry. Instead of doing a draw call once with a low level LOD and then another one when the wanted LOD level is loaded, you can issue a single draw call and it will use the highest LOD available on memory.Interesting, from a quick glance through the claims but I thought it would have been a SFS patent as it seemed to deal with on demand asset streaming when the resource is bound by the graphics API (in OpenGL parlance when you assign a texture resource to a sampler essentially, unless my memory is failing me faster than I thought). Interesting
<Hater>Weren't LODs supposed to be gone with PS5 supporting infinite detail?
</Hater>
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Panajev2001a
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I need to read more details as I only briefly glanced through the claims, but what does it do with LOD data missing in memory? What does maximum LOD mean in this case (you mean the wanted level)?It seems to be like SFS, which only deals with textures, but for geometry. Instead of doing a draw call once with a low level LOD and then another one when the wanted LOD level is loaded, you can issue a single draw call and it will use the highest LOD available on memory.
<Hater>Weren't LODs supposed to be gone with PS5 supporting infinite detail?
I presume this means that the single draw calls goes out even if the LOD is not currently loaded in memory, the GPU computes the LOD to load in the background and fetches it from memory (with maybe a fallback to the SSD if the resource is not in RAM?) so that it can become available when the resource is needed?
LiquidRex
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The LOD thing interests me, with UE5 demonstrated on the PS5 they stated no more need for LODs.It seems to be like SFS, which only deals with textures, but for geometry. Instead of doing a draw call once with a low level LOD and then another one when the wanted LOD level is loaded, you can issue a single draw call and it will use the highest LOD available on memory.
<Hater>Weren't LODs supposed to be gone with PS5 supporting infinite detail?
Three Jackdaws
Banned
They knew as soon as they got their hands on the dev kits.
LiquidRex
Member
True, yet officially I don't think a Dev has actually said how much is available for game development eg 13, 13.5, 12, 14GB...
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Three Jackdaws
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Agreed, and the silence from the devs and Sony has been a consistent pattern now.
LiquidRex
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So will there be an Xbox Series XSuper this year.
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Rudius
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Yeah, a PS5 Pro is not needed. Switching between the 1440p60 and 4K30 options in Demon's Souls I don't notice the extra resolution, only the framerate. Perhaps on a larger TV it would be more noticeable, but even in this case a PS5 Pro running that game at 4K60 would add very little to the experience.
They must focus on PS6, so it is a great console for a good price in 2027. PS5 just needs the usual software support and a price reduction down the road. A slimmer console would be nice, but not essential; once you do the setup it does not matter how big or heavy it is, but only how it performs and how silent it is.
bitbydeath
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Saw this come up in my feed. Have been away for a few days so not sure if already discussed.
Could be new thread worthy for our Thailand brothers and sisters.
playstation5-launch-day
www.playstation.com
Could be new thread worthy for our Thailand brothers and sisters.
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Loxus
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I agree. I don't know why people are discussing the idea of a PS5 Pro when we only just start to begin to see what the PS5 is capable of.
Right now Developers are still in the Evolution faze.
It will be a year or 2 before we start to see Developers change there code to be Revolution.
So, I don't see a PS5 Pro happening. Especially when the PS5 is more than capable to last up to 6 years.
It's better to use techniques like Checkerboard Rendering than to go out and spend millions to develop a Pro model.
The technology isn't powerful enough for a Pro model to make a huge difference anyway.
PS6 6-7 years from now makes more sense.
ghairat
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I wonder if that retro shop in MBK will have in stock.
thurnishaleygw
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mejin
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Playstation really is a worldwide brand.
Aceofspades
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This guy found normal temperatures for the GDDR6 chips. He even tried to turn the fan off and put a cover on the PS5 to create overheating.
Using another methodology this user also found perfectly normal temperatures:
Steve (GamersNexus) is doing a PS5 thermal analysis
The issues brought up were nowhere near RROD levels that's for sure.www.resetera.com
GamersNexus and this guy are just nerds, they know nothing about HW design. Whats funny is taking their tests seriously. Sony have been designing HW even before they were born.
I'm still waiting for my PS5 ram chips to crap out as GamersNexus said
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onesvenus
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I only did a quick glance also but what I understood was that they submit a draw call with the minimum LOD level required and some extra info about the wanted level. When that draw call is processed, instead of being stalled waiting for the wanted level LOD to be loaded or submitting another draw call with the minimum LOD level, it just starts working with the minimum LOD and changes to the wanted one as soon as it's loaded. This is basically to remove the burden of LOD management from the developers.
What I found interesting is that the patent says that the asset store controller can be co-processors interfacing with the GPU and the CPU.
It seems Cerny is really really interested in making everything really fast.
Their claim was no more LOD authoring not that they would always render things at maximum precision as some people interpreted. It really makes no sense to use the full high resolution meshes when they are rendered only in a small number of pixels. What they meant was that using Nanite, they will be able to sample the meshes at different frequencies depending on different factors, that's essentially using LODs without having to pregenerate them.
demigod
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I agree. I don't know why people are discussing the idea of a PS5 Pro when we only just start to begin to see what the PS5 is capable of.
Right now Developers are still in the Evolution faze.
It will be a year or 2 before we start to see Developers change there code to be Revolution.
So, I don't see a PS5 Pro happening. Especially when the PS5 is more than capable to last up to 6 years.
It's better to use techniques like Checkerboard Rendering than to go out and spend millions to develop a Pro model.
The technology isn't powerful enough for a Pro model to make a huge difference anyway.
PS6 6-7 years from now makes more sense.
There will be a Pro version to push 8k. Remember Sony also sees the PC as competition.
ResilientBanana
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Nah, it's for when they use the logo that looks like thisSo will there be an Xbox Series XSuper this year.
Xbox Trademarks - Justia Trademarks
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Neo_game
Member
Jump from PS2 to PS3 was huge and PS3 was a premium product for its time. This time console specs are good but they are not premium and they play it is safe with the specs, price POV.
mitchman
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GN has visited many actual factories in Asia so they know a fair bit more than most about hardware design. And they never said the ram chips would fail, just that they were uncomfortably close to the temperature limit. Geez, some people just love to shit on tech media.GamersNexus and this guy are just nerds, they know nothing about HW design. Whats funny is taking their tests seriously. Sony have been designing HW even before they were born.
I'm still waiting for my PS5 ram chips to crap out as GamersNexus said
ArcaneNLSC
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Nikana
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MastaKiiLA
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Thank you, friendo. That's the information I've been waiting for. I'll have to cross my fingers that I can get my hands on one in Krabi. I have no interest in hopping on a plane to Bangkok anytime soon.
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IntentionalPun
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lol, wut?
kyliethicc
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Agreed. Now no one seems to care about how powerful or not the PS5 is, games like Demon's & Spidey Miles seem to have washed all that "concern" away. Its a console anyways, its not really about chasing ultra high end specs.
Only remaining legit criticisms of the PS5 I can think of are things Sony can fix with a PS5 Slim. Meaning, the 825 GB SSD is a bit small, the overall size and bold design isn't for everyone, the power draw is a bit high, and also eventually the price.
If someone hasn't bought a PS5 by 2024, its not gonna be because of a lack of great games or specs. Its gonna be because they don't want to spend $500/400, or they want a bigger SSD for that price, or they think the OG PS5 is too big or ugly, etc. That can all be fixed with a PS5 Slim refresh.
PS5 Slim, 825 GB DE = $300
PS5 Slim, 1.65 TB DE = $400
PS5 Slim, 1.65 TB disc = $500
Lowering the entry price and offering 2x the SSD size, all while shrinking the console and giving it a minor redsign would be the perfect mid-gen boost the PS5 might need in 2023-24. Then just launch a fucking beast of a PS5 Pro in 2026-27 called the PlayStation 6.
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Banjo64
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Are we getting slim models this generation? I thought due to diminishing returns it’s supposedly more likely we’ll just get the same SKU, but maybe with double the storage as storage prices drop. Correct me if I’ve read that wrong though? As I’d be down for a PS5 Slim.
kyliethicc
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Sony has always done a Slim every gen. I don't see why not. PS5 can be easily shrunk in 3-4 years, just gotta make the system more power efficient to reduce how much heat is produced, which then lets them decrease the size of the heatsink, PSU, and we get a smaller box.
kyliethicc
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Empire Strikes Back
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Destiny 2 next-gen comparison between PS5 and Xbox Series. I think there’s a bug or whatever on how Xbox games do fire effects, because the drop was constant when Tom had his pike on fire or when he used his super to burn enemies. That’s very odd, I also remember Valhalla’s infamous torch drops. It’s been some time, but I remember a Era member (MiniatureKaiju) talking about this same thing.
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kyliethicc
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Warhawk was so much fun.
Grinchy
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Man, these videos are so painfully unfunny. I just don't get it.
LivingD3AD
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UE5 stated no more manual authoring of LODs. And presumably continuous LOD refinement.
The former doesn't say anything about existence of LODs (ie. we're all still using texture LODs, and will continue to do so as long as texture sampling is used, including UE5 - but virtually no-one manually generated them in decades).
The latter just means LOD transitions are smooth - it does not mean eliminating discrete LODs (see textures again). While some computational models exist where the lines are a bit blurrier, even for continuous refinement there's almost always some discrete data points represented internally, especially anything that has to operate in realtime.
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