Knitted Knight
Banned
‘I’ve got 44 platinum trophies’
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‘As an Xbox guy’
I had an Xbox 360. I played Gears 4/5.... what does that make me? A neutral? We can only go by the words we chose and how we frame our sentences. Don't take it personal.
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I feel like the Xbox Series S is a waste of time & I don't understand why Microsoft made such a console like the Series S.
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I had an Xbox 360. I played Gears 4/5.... what does that make me? A neutral? We can only go by the words we chose and how we frame our sentences. Don't take it personal.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Only one of us is framing our sentences in a strange way mate and that’s you lmao
Knitted Knight
Banned
My opinions are framed very clear and consistent with my post history. OP's not satisfied with his current choice and yearns for a true next-gen experience. I gave my opinion on what a logical choice to that would be - PS5 DE, being an obvious good choice.
It was you who took exception - "oddly" enough, and went on a tangent. Says a lot more about you than me when getting so defensive. The funny part is that I don't have to project neutrality using my old gamerscore from a now dust collecting Xbox Live Account.
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Videogames are a waste of time and money. Most hobbies are. But if you enjoy yourself, then you can justify the time you've lost because it brought you joy.
I'm saving plenty while still being able to fund a game purchase ever so often.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I have to disagree with you here, XSX fits the bill much better than XSS for me. I was in the OG Xbox and Xbox 360, but not really on Xbox One so XSX was my way to play the best version of all those games including the One X patched versions of the Xbox One titles.
To be fair, thanks to Sony not having BC with many PS3 titles (not talking about PSNow) or PS2 ones (aside from some first party gems like Primal which they re-released as HD Classics), I ended up buying quite a list of OG Xbox and Xbox 360 titles (yes, Blinx too) so that I can give myself more time to find space for the PS3 which gave back its spot to the PS5 for now.
Thanks to quite a few deals (Slayer Collection and DOOM 64 which I have now triple dipped [I had been waiting so long for it and Nightdive Studios made an superbly excellent port] too), I ended up having my home for Bethesda games there: DOOM I&II (double dipped at least, it was on offer for like £1.99), DOOM 3 (double dipped at least), DOOM 64 (triple dipped), DOOM 2016 (double dipped), DOOM Eternal (double dipped), Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim (triple dipped, VR too in one of the sales). Other classics like KOTOR I&II (I have yet to play part II, shocking I know).
If TES VI were to release on PS5, it would need to make some more than decent use of the SSD and especially haptics + adaptive triggers to double dip (unless there was a sale). Yes, Dual Sense is a decision tipping element for me if well integrated and the rest of the game is not considerably inferior.
Plus, I do not feel like building and making space for a PC, due to work and all I am set on an iOS + macOS ecosystem (easier on me as the house sysadmin too
, but there are several practical advantages to having macOS and iOS devices on the same network and the same family group... first time you copy and paste an image or text from one device to another with just a CMD+C/copy then CMD+V/Paste feels like magic and when AirDrop does not work [Charles Proxy plus VPN setup on one machine] it is noticeable hehe... always used to setup a shared network folder between computers before hehe)... so MSFS 2020 has a only worthwhile home on the XSX as you want to enjoy that puppy in 4K.
Aion002
Member
I got one and here is why:
I live in Brazil, so a PS5 and a SX is 950 usd each, while an SS is 520 usd.
I am a Playstation consumer so I will definitely get a Ps5 when is available, however getting both ps5 and SX for me is too expensive since I also buy a lot of games.
I have a 1080p tv so the extra power of the SX is kinda wasted on me.
Game Pass is an awesome thing and I was really interested on it, since the SS was available and is cheaper I bought one. Now with the SS and GP I save a lot of money on games that I would eventually buy on Playstation.
I don't really care too much about graphics.
That's it. For me the combo PS5 and SS will be perfect.
I live in Brazil, so a PS5 and a SX is 950 usd each, while an SS is 520 usd.
I am a Playstation consumer so I will definitely get a Ps5 when is available, however getting both ps5 and SX for me is too expensive since I also buy a lot of games.
I have a 1080p tv so the extra power of the SX is kinda wasted on me.
Game Pass is an awesome thing and I was really interested on it, since the SS was available and is cheaper I bought one. Now with the SS and GP I save a lot of money on games that I would eventually buy on Playstation.
I don't really care too much about graphics.
That's it. For me the combo PS5 and SS will be perfect.
Captain Toad
Banned
And Xbox Series S IS available?
Derktron
Banned
I don’t think xCloud plays a part into the Series S.
pasterpl
Member
Can you define what do you mean by the next gen experience? Wondering what ps5 de offers that xb series s doesn’t that you would define as the next gen experience ?
sobaka770
Banned
I know that OP made a bad purchase but as for the thread title it's not that hard:
- Under Satya Nadella Microsoft pivoted hard to be a services and subscription company first
- Phil Spencer is implementing that strategy through Gamepass
- MS therefore doesn't do consoles anymore as a separate business- it only creates spaces where their services are available and consoles are one of these spaces, other being PC and mobile
- Series S is made to be a low-cost option to get into MS service ecosystem of gamepass for price-sensitive users
The strategy is different to PS5 but it is logical. It doesn't mean that it's going to be successful but Series S has a purpose, the only question is whether MS judged the market right and positioned it's gamepass and Series S value proposition to the right community. Gaming is usually not driven primarily by cost-savings and is not Netflix - hence the debate around the value of Gamepass and Series S.
- Under Satya Nadella Microsoft pivoted hard to be a services and subscription company first
- Phil Spencer is implementing that strategy through Gamepass
- MS therefore doesn't do consoles anymore as a separate business- it only creates spaces where their services are available and consoles are one of these spaces, other being PC and mobile
- Series S is made to be a low-cost option to get into MS service ecosystem of gamepass for price-sensitive users
The strategy is different to PS5 but it is logical. It doesn't mean that it's going to be successful but Series S has a purpose, the only question is whether MS judged the market right and positioned it's gamepass and Series S value proposition to the right community. Gaming is usually not driven primarily by cost-savings and is not Netflix - hence the debate around the value of Gamepass and Series S.
Knitted Knight
Banned
New next-gen controller, new OS, next-gen exclusive games utilizing next-gen features (Demon Souls Remake, Spider-man Miles Morales, Astro's PlayRoom). On top of the usual next-gen bells and whistles of higher performing games. Best place to play third-party multiplats on consoles.
At the moment there is only one place where you can get that fully, no caveats or half truth's or middle of the road solutions, or wait till next (whatever it's at this point).
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Hitchyhero
Banned
I know several people who bought one and I might get one myself. I have a series X in my living room but sometimes I just wanna lie in my bed and play there.
Captain Toad
Banned
Well, Xbox people love to define next-gen power in teraflops. The Series S is, by that definition, weaker than the last-gen Xbox One X.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
It IS where I live yes.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
I also believe it can hinder the generations performance for Xbox on the long term.
The only reason I see the SS, is if you have a PS5 and want it to experience Xbox games without spending the extra money.
The only reason I see the SS, is if you have a PS5 and want it to experience Xbox games without spending the extra money.
Xbox is a simple man's PC. There's no reason for it when you can get 95% of Xbox exclusives on PC and still be able to play from your couch. It's stupid, but hey, that's how society is.
Chukhopops
Member
Cool strawman argument and all but in reality the Series S is quite more powerful, just look at Cyberpunk, Destiny 2 or Watch dogs legion where it’s miles ahead.
As games get built for next gen the gap between the SS and 1X will only get wider.
Kazekage1981
Member
MS did a really terrible job distinguishing Xbox One X from Xbox Series S
you got a 4k console that is less powerful than a 1080p/1440p console that technically can do 4k, but wont.
you got a 4k console that is less powerful than a 1080p/1440p console that technically can do 4k, but wont.
ethomaz
Banned
It
Just to you know the supersample of Series X is a must on 1080p TVs... it is not a waste but I understand your choose to go cheaper even having cheaper devices to your needs here.
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Captain Toad
Banned
So are we ready to admit that teraflops are a stupid way to judge power? Series S games are outperforming One X games, despite lower tf. PS5 games are outperforming Series X games despite lower tf.
But, somehow, I think certain people will continue to believe terflops are everything when talking about Series X (compared to PS5) and mean nothing when talking about Series S in comparison to last-gen.
Elder Legend
Banned
And you sir have no clue how technology works. It uses a new GPU artichecture. Which means the GPU in the series is much more power than that of the Xbox One X.
Just because it has teraflops does not mean its weaker if you actually realize that its 2 completely different GPUs lol.
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dotnotbot
Member
Read his comment again.
Elder Legend
Banned
Derpa. :/
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Chukhopops
Member
It’s a big forum, you can always find someone who will be wrong about something. Teraflops are one unit of measurement but not the only thing that matters, at least in my opinion.
At the very least, it doesn’t really make sense to compare TFs across different architectures and the 1X vs SS comparison proves it.
SupremeHoodie
Member
I have casual friends that wanna buy the series s and every time I have to break it down to them how it’s not worth it and to save up and buy the series X (whenever it’s finally available).
Agree. Naming aside (which is equally terrible), it's just a stupid market position. "This is next gen but can't do 4K like last gen."
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Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
The Series S is great for the hundreds of indie games and last gen games. They don't need to be 4K. And it will make them run and look better than on the Xbox One X
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
That actually did suprise me. I thought it would be a winner, especially considering the low price point.
ChickenSandwichlover69
Banned
Simply not for you.
Got this for my sister as a Xmas gift with her new 4K tv and she absolutely loves it. She can't really tell the difference between 4K and 1080p gaming and such. Mostly watches movies on Netflix and Amazon Prime. Never owned a disc game. She is also using my account to access over 70 games especially GTA 5. Was awesome to see GTA 5 loading up fast in less than 10 seconds compared to my One X where it took minutes. Now I use my One X as a 1080p TV player and my Series X as my main Xbox now.
Plus, the Series S performs better on some games (cap 60fps) due to being lower resolution. Gaming at full 4K, 60FPS isn't guarantee 100% on consoles. Expect dips. Yet, 1080p-1440p, is the sweetsop for these console imo. Skyrim with mods dips to 40-50fps on my Series X meanwhile on the Series S, capped 60FPS due to being only 1080p. That's what I love about the Series S.
Got this for my sister as a Xmas gift with her new 4K tv and she absolutely loves it. She can't really tell the difference between 4K and 1080p gaming and such. Mostly watches movies on Netflix and Amazon Prime. Never owned a disc game. She is also using my account to access over 70 games especially GTA 5. Was awesome to see GTA 5 loading up fast in less than 10 seconds compared to my One X where it took minutes. Now I use my One X as a 1080p TV player and my Series X as my main Xbox now.
Plus, the Series S performs better on some games (cap 60fps) due to being lower resolution. Gaming at full 4K, 60FPS isn't guarantee 100% on consoles. Expect dips. Yet, 1080p-1440p, is the sweetsop for these console imo. Skyrim with mods dips to 40-50fps on my Series X meanwhile on the Series S, capped 60FPS due to being only 1080p. That's what I love about the Series S.
Yep pretty much pointless. And extra £100 for a PS5 Digital is so much better. Also more work for developers. Finally the storage is so low for a digital console so the cost saving doesn't really matter if you need to pay to upgrade storage sooner or later.
However if Microsoft can get this console cheaper down the line then it has a chance to be bigger. £150 for a Series S is when it will be a impulse purchase.
However if Microsoft can get this console cheaper down the line then it has a chance to be bigger. £150 for a Series S is when it will be a impulse purchase.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Oh I get it. You know how other people should be spending their money. It's just a bad take.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I have to keep saying this, the digital ps5 is like the lock ness monster or big foot, so comparing the series s to it is pointless since you can't actually buy it.
Its like saying the 3060 is a better value than the 2060 (it is) but you can't buy a 3060 so who cares.
Its like saying the 3060 is a better value than the 2060 (it is) but you can't buy a 3060 so who cares.
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Riky
$MSFT
Teraflops as a measurement between the same architecture is a valid comparison, also the Xbox Series X has a faster CPU and a higher peak memory bandwidth so it's a triple advantage.
The GPU on the One X may have more teraflops but the CPU sucks.
In my gf house she has Xbox one, and I tried to play Vampyr (on gamepass)for a bit until 2-3 hours in I could not play anymore because i was more stuck in loading than me playing, entered the wrong tunnel by mistake? I get punished by 2 min loading screen and then 2 more to get out. I got so much frustrated that had to stop playing and let her finish the game and I was just watching her... if you want something cheap and to play the available games on game pass without frustrating yourself with more loading screens than gameplay the series S is perfect I think. Now if you want the best graphics then series S is poor choice.
Magic Carpet
Member
Managed to add to cart and buy the Series S from Bestbuy on Christmas day. Should be ready to pick up on 12/30.
I bought the memory expansion card and have already picked it up from Bestbuy.
Ha and HA HA! take that all you Series S doubters.
This thing will play Cyberpunk 2077 decently right? Wont it?
Of course I'm still on the lookout for a Series X then the S will go into a bedroom somewhere.
I do think that the days of cheaper versions of older computing tech are long over.
If you want more power it will have to be payed for.
Want same power for cheaper then you will have to look at the used market.
Series S is just one of many consoles to come that will try to win over the people that will also be looking at the used stuff.
I bought the memory expansion card and have already picked it up from Bestbuy.
Ha and HA HA! take that all you Series S doubters.
This thing will play Cyberpunk 2077 decently right? Wont it?
Of course I'm still on the lookout for a Series X then the S will go into a bedroom somewhere.
I do think that the days of cheaper versions of older computing tech are long over.
If you want more power it will have to be payed for.
Want same power for cheaper then you will have to look at the used market.
Series S is just one of many consoles to come that will try to win over the people that will also be looking at the used stuff.
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Captain Toad
Banned
Take what? I own a PS5 and a Series X. What exactly does you buying a 4TF console prove exactly?
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Magic Carpet
Member
It proves your better at me at finding the newer consoles. I still can't find PS5 or Series X.
I've been chugging along with the Xbone X with CP77 since release and hope the Series S will be a better experience. If it is then the Series S is a winner in my book.
Kazekage1981
Member
It was MS's job to be able to differentiate and distinguish between those 2 consoles and they did an awful job. I remember I raised this issue in the next-gen speculation thread and all i got was "people are smarter now, they can look up stuff on the internet." I have Xbox One X, and i am not a laymen not to understand microarchitecture differences. But for the average consumer who doesn't understand technical jargon and owns and xbox one x you got "worlds most powerful 6TFLOP 4k console" to ....."4 TFLOP 1080p/1440p next-gen console"
MS got close to a trillion in the bank, so i suppose they can afford fuck ups like this. To make things worse, what incentives can they give series s customers to finally transition to series x years down the line? For fucks sake what does it take to fully transition into 4k gaming when you got a console like series s that takes a step back?!!
Edgelord79
Gold Member
What does 4TF have to do with anything that you quoted?
Captain Toad
Banned
But, that hardly proves the Series S was a good idea. If all the Series S consoles weren't made, there would have been more Series X consoles available. Then maybe you could have bought the console you actually wanted.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Series S is like Sony and MS keeping PS4 and Xbox One OG/S around when Pro and ONe X came out for $100 more. They could have ditched them and made every new gamer going forward forced to buy Pro and One X.
Series S is even $200 cheaper than Series X. So the gap is bigger.
It's all about price. Some people don't want to pay $500 for a next gen system. But $300 is fine.
Sony.com has 28 different TV models on their site, and that even excludes size choice. Add every variation of size to the mix and a person probably has 80 TVs to choose from. Have fun analyzing which model is best for you.
I don't understand why Sony gives someone 80 TVs to choose from. /S
Series S is even $200 cheaper than Series X. So the gap is bigger.
It's all about price. Some people don't want to pay $500 for a next gen system. But $300 is fine.
Sony.com has 28 different TV models on their site, and that even excludes size choice. Add every variation of size to the mix and a person probably has 80 TVs to choose from. Have fun analyzing which model is best for you.
I don't understand why Sony gives someone 80 TVs to choose from. /S
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Magic Carpet
Member
I just see the future of computing tech just getting more and more expensive. If a cheaper version is possible then it should be available. It may not be a great experience but it will be AN experience.
I also wish they would go the other way and offer even more powerful versions that will of course be more expensive. I would be gunning for the Series XLT with bacon and cheese if it was offered.
It takes an army of mindless, idiotic followers who will tell you're wrong, and that the XSS is a great deal. That's what it takes.
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onnextflix5
Member
I think i understand what ms are trying to do. In a year they can price the xss at $200, but it won't work there is a reason, when a new console comes out the old console sales drop off big time, people want newest and the best not the cheapest, should have gone with 11tf console at $399 would have sold much better then 2 different consoles.
Captain Toad
Banned
It's not that simple.
Every Series X game MUST be created to also run on the Series S. How much that hinders Series X is debatable, but it definitely has some effect. So, it does effect everyone, not just the people who don't care about graphics or performance.
