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[Heisenberg007]

Name calling, grow up.

I'll tell you why and I've had this told me. All the games so far are last gen games, some just released later than the next gen consoles. They all work on last gen engines, Valhalla, Watch Dogs, Call Of Duty etc.

I was told that moving from PS4 Pro to PS5 was very easy, the tools have barely changed and you even have the same number of compute units for your load. You get a big clock boost, you get a big increase in Ram at a higher bandwidth and a huge increase on the CPU side. That is why it was so easy for Cyberpunk to just run the PS4 Pro version at 60fps.

For Xbox it's a bit more complicated , not sure about the tools late scenario but the GDK isn't as familiar and has more changes than Sony, you do get the benefits of Ram and CPU increase but there is substantially more work to be done for the wider GPU that isn't just a big clock speed increase. So you need more optimization to get the same results and time has been short with working from home and getting games ready for launch date.

When we get to next gen engines the picture will be different.

PC games are being released using the same GDK.

Also, (though I'm not 100% sure about this), developers are free to use XDK or GDK.

 

[ethomaz]

It was one of the main reasons, if not, the main reason to make people screech around, if it was the XSX version y'all would be consdering him as the ultimate source.

And the Silent Hill constant push doesn't count?

I called him a broken clock constantly way before he lie about PS5 issues.

 

[Tripolygon]

Name calling, grow up.

Is spaming disingenuous cherry picked screenshots across various threads, spamming the same bullshit lie, refusing to see reason when people take time to explain things to you a sign of someone who is grown up and mature?

Look in the mirror mate before you tell someone to grow up. That is why I said what I said. You have showed no interest in actually learning anything after being corrected and Informed various time. Just look at your post above saying PS5 is less powerful because the GPU is smaller and it downclocks. Have you not learned anything for the past 3 months when these things were explained to you?

You're not interested in informing yourself. You're more interested in console wars and winning performance in games.

I'll tell you why and I've had this told me. All the games so far are last gen games, some just released later than the next gen consoles. They all work on last gen engines, Valhalla, Watch Dogs, Call Of Duty etc.

These engines have been improved for next gen hardware. That is why the lot of them now have RT acceleration. RDNA architecture and these next gen features like VRS, Primitive or Mesh shaders have been on PC GPU for a number of years now. The major change that we will see is a technical overall of the storage and IO systems In these engines.

I was told that moving from PS4 Pro to PS5 was very easy, the tools have barely changed and you even have the same number of compute units for your load. You get a big clock boost, you get a big increase in Ram at a higher bandwidth and a huge increase on the CPU side. That is why it was so easy for Cyberpunk to just run the PS4 Pro version at 60fps.

Please don't use Cyberpunk as an example of anything other than a game that is badly optimized.

The PS5 development environment is similar to PS4 but many things would have changed. Think of it this way, if it was exactly the same why are some PS4 games having issues running on PS5? Sony and AMD worked to maintain BC with the vast majority of games. Just like Microsoft did with AMD.

It is the same with Microsoft. The dev environment is the similar, they have just decided to unify the PC and Xbox so games can be published from the same SDK across both platforms. It is the same DirectX API, same windows development software and same tools just now unified under one dev environment. They didn't start from scratch like you seem to think they did.

For Xbox it's a bit more complicated , not sure about the tools late scenario but the GDK isn't as familiar and has more changes than Sony, you do get the benefits of Ram and CPU increase but there is substantially more work to be done for the wider GPU that isn't just a big clock speed increase. So you need more optimization to get the same results and time has been short with working from home and getting games ready for launch date.

Lots of embellishments that makes no sense. More work, less familiar, more changes? How would you know this unless you have intimate knowledge of both SDK. Perhaps it could Sony makes better development software than Microsoft? I know what you're thinking but Microsoft is primarily a software company so impossible. Well PS4 SDK was also famously better than Xbox One as well.

When we get to next gen engines the picture will be different.

The only major next gen engine due to be released in the next year is Unreal Engine V and that is a cross gen cross platform engine made to scale from Smartphones all the way to Next Gen consoles and RTX 3090 and RX 6900XT. Unity just released their major revision.

So I ask you, what do you think is changing in these engines?

 

[Mr Moose]

I'll tell you why and I've had this told me. All the games so far are last gen games, some just released later than the next gen consoles. They all work on last gen engines, Valhalla, Watch Dogs, Call Of Duty etc.

Does the NBA game count as next gen? They are different from the last gen versions. I think that's one of the few multiplats that are currently out that is like that.

 

[Aguero9320]

A console war that become one sided because all the marketing FUD MS and Xbox fans created.
RDNA1, overclocked, 8-9TFs, world most powerful console, fake RT, fake 4k, not sustained clocks, etc etc etc.

I’m not sure about that - the ‘Sony Defence Force’ has been a running joke for years. Their bullshit is relentless. I’ve said this before, I’ve bought and played every PlayStation and every Xbox - I’m a multi platform gamer for sure - but the obnoxious behaviour of the Sony fans is the one and only thing that makes me lean towards Xbox - they are just so fucking irritating.

I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to buy and enjoy both consoles. I get it with kids who don’t get to make the decisions, but you have adults doing the same thing. Sometimes I respond because it is too one sided - in terms of sheer noise from one side - so I get why he did that. I try not to because it’s a complete waste of time, but get sucked in some days. It actually ruins PlayStation a little for me - I know it shouldn’t, but it does...

 

[ethomaz]

I’m not sure about that - the ‘Sony Defence Force’ has been a running joke for years. Their bullshit is relentless. I’ve said this before, I’ve bought and played every PlayStation and every Xbox - I’m a multi platform gamer for sure - but the obnoxious behaviour of the Sony fans is the one and only thing that makes me lean towards Xbox - they are just so fucking irritating.

I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to buy and enjoy both consoles. I get it with kids who don’t get to make the decisions, but you have adults doing the same thing. Sometimes I respond because it is too one sided - in terms of sheer noise from one side - so I get why he did that. I try not to because it’s a complete waste of time, but get sucked in some days. It actually ruins PlayStation a little for me - I know it shouldn’t, but it does...

What bullshit exactly?

Sorry but there is no point at all in buy two consoles... maybe it was a point in the past when there are enough exclusives to make that true but not today.
It is financially not optimal too... any economist will say you doesn’t need two consoles at home because well it is really a money you can use for others things like buying more games.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

Yeah. I'm actually content to let some of these people go on a wild victory lap because CP2077 has slightly higher graphical settings on XSX because of XOneX mode. If CP2077 next-gen version runs better on PS5, it will be even sweeter to see their meltdown. It'll be like when the first DF comparison video dropped part 2.0

All it takes for the Series X to have a performance advantage in a game is for the game to launch completely broken.

 

[chemical boy]

 

[On Demand]

It’s like pre launch all over again in this thread. Almost as if the comparisons never happened and we don’t already know what these consoles are capable of.

It’s sad Xbox fans are still holding out for some hope. Some massive change in graphical performance because of tools.

 

[SlimySnake]

For one year you told us that your source told u the gap is big and never once u mentioned the tools . Meaning that you and your source are fake. If he was real like the crytek guy he would talk about non mature tools and you would report that here but no u talked about staggering difference till 4 weeks ago.

U r a fraud who can't accept being wrong .

I m happy the sony that u hate so much is destroying ur joke of a reputation and exposing you as the fraud u really r .but we already knew u r fake since the day u got banned on the other site for talking too much and not being able to back it up .

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

 

[Dane]

Because we had the specs? I mean before that it was speculation.

RDNA1, overclocked, not sustained clocks, take RT, 9TFs, world most powerful console, etc were all narratives pushed after Sony revealed the specs.

Xbox fans had made a discord server just to push fake narratives thinking lies can translate in sales lol

The only reason these cringe people exist is because people keep always shoving "sony is the best, have a better taste Xidiot owner", same shit with the reason why Xbox Mil Grau exists and you know it, I know when people come for goalposts.

Dude, really? He literally spread false information. For RE8, he even said that he did because the console war was getting too one sided. Matt wiped the floor with him on Twitter when he asked for more information.

None of DG's information was proved to be correct: Silent Hills, PS5 being more expensive, PS5 being worse performing, RE8 gameplay showcase on PC, etc.

And we're still supposed to give credence to his claims?

Accurate on RE8, accurate on SFV dlcs, accurate on Revelations 3 existance (new version, old is RE8), and accurate that SFVI development was a mess that would led to Ono's exit. PS5 according to Eurogamer was more expensive until they decided to change plans after Xbox price reveal, notice that they did it right after Microsoft gave the price first?

 

[Mr Moose]

Accurate on RE8, accurate on SFV dlcs, accurate on Revelations 3 existance (new version, old is RE8), and accurate that SFVI development was a mess that would led to Ono's exit. PS5 according to Eurogamer was more expensive until they decided to change plans after Xbox price reveal, notice that they did it right after Microsoft gave the price first?

What?

We fixed on our product lineup late last year. Our preferred pricing was determined early in this calendar year, prelockdown. And we just got on and executed with what we wanted to do.

No, no, it didn’t [change], no. We’ve been able to launch PlayStation 5 at $399, €399, with all the horsepower and the feature set that the console has, at the same price that we launched PS4 back in 2013. That was important for us, and we’re very happy that we’ve been able to do that. 399 worked very well for us last time round and we’d like it to work very well for us this time round, too.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Accurate on RE8, accurate on SFV dlcs, accurate on Revelations 3 existance (new version, old is RE8), and accurate that SFVI development was a mess that would led to Ono's exit. PS5 according to Eurogamer was more expensive until they decided to change plans after Xbox price reveal, notice that they did it right after Microsoft gave the price first?

PS5's last and only reported BOM was $450, while XSX's was $480. When was PS5 ever more expensive to produce?

Btw, this still leaves us with Silent Hills, RE8 gameplay showcase on PC, PS5 performing worse, the inability to share more information when Matt pressed him, the fact that he said what he said to balance the console war, and countless other things.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

That's some good detective work, my friend. Will Mods step in?

 

[Agnostic2020]

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

Yea I m glad everyone has caught him lying but its not a surprise tbh.

 

[Md Ray]

Is pleasure pearl another name for clitoris?

Serious question because I never seen it before.

Yes

 

[Krisprolls]

The specs say Series X is more powerful

No they don't, I know people say that, but it's wrong.

"Specs" include every piece of custom hardware in a machine, not only the GPU and the CPU.

On PC though, yes, usually a better GPU means the machine is generally more powerful, but that's because PCs don't have different custom hardware. But consoles are not PCs, you're free to bring custom hardware, and that's what they did here.

I work in IT security, I know people would like to define machines with a single number, but that's not how it works at all. We had custom dedicated SSL hardware that were a lot faster at SSL encrypting than "on paper" multiple times faster general purpose servers.

Read the multiple articles by devs and experts on the subject like Matt Hargett (on twitter), Ali Saheeli, Tim Sweeney, John Carmack and co...

Matt Phillips too :




Those are the people who know what they're talking about and that you should listen to.

Not MS marketing messages and Phil "Pinocchio" Spencer.

 

[sircaw]

I mean... no? This is the kind of deluded nonsense that rubs people the wrong way. As a multi console owner it’s so frustrating - it’s way too early to judge and performance has been - without the use of a fucking microscope - almost entirely indistinguishable.

Save up and buy both.

What the hell are you talking about, we are talking about a 10.2 tflop machine matching or beating a 12 tflop machine. Remember MULTIPLATS WILL PLAYmuch BETTER ON THE BEAST MACHINE nonsense.

Ps5 has a much more gen controller and a better ssd. Microsoft invested all their cash in there 12 tfops, Sony spread there's all over the place including that heating and liquid metal.

To come out ahead of tests vs the xbox is KILLING IS, i am sorry it does not fit your agenda or but the fact is the engineering in the ps5 absolutely shits over the xbox.

for such a lowly specced machine to beat the xbox with those restrictions and advancements in other places means, ITS KILLING IT

 

[sircaw]

I would stop if I were you, you don't know what you're talking about. Listen to what John actually says, VRR helps when the framerate drops. If you want further confirmation go to the Valhalla and Black Ops comparisons or better still the HDMI 2.1 video they did recently where they explain it perfectly.

He says vvr can help out BUT IT DIPS PRETTY HARD.

he says it in the video, his words are used one after the other.

 

[Rolla]

No they don't, I know people say that, but it's wrong.

"Specs" include every piece of custom hardware in a machine, not only the GPU and the CPU.

Listen... And I say this with all due respect...

The XBOX Series X is more powerful than the PS5. Across the specifications aka specs Microsoft entire intention was to be more powerful.

But that is only a fraction of the equation. In the bigger scheme of things especially in terms of what drives consumers to a console platform. I'd argue that the specs are a non factor to 90-95% of the market. There are other huge and very obvious factors to consider here. Not least where/what platform the devs spend their time optimizing and why...

But the specs are a done deal. Series X is a more powerful machine in terms of hardware. Arguing against that fact is meritless.

 

[Krisprolls]

Series X is a more powerful machine in terms of hardware. Arguing against that fact is meritless.

Lol no it's not, otherwise you'd see it in games. What do you see in games right now ? PS5 is on top. Proof is in the pudding.

Trust your eyes and experts (see my post above), not marketing messages.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

That rumor about the PS5 Pro really seemed off to me.

Basically Sony panicked after hearing about the XSXs 12TFs and rushed to design a console that was on par with it (PS5 Pro). After seeing the recent comparisons I don't see how Sony would have freaked out about something like that in the first place.

Always seemed off to me and the recent comparisons prove that it was pretty much fake.

 

[Riky]

He says vvr can help out BUT IT DIPS PRETTY HARD.

he says it in the video, his words are used one after the other.

He's talking about frame rate dipping, he says VRR can help so there's that How you get VRR is poor from that I have no idea

 

[StrongGuy]

Listen... And I say this with all due respect...

The XBOX Series X is more powerful than the PS5. Across the specifications aka specs Microsoft entire intention was to be more powerful.

But that is only a fraction of the equation. In the bigger scheme of things especially in terms of what drives consumers to a console platform. I'd argue that the specs are a non factor to 90-95% of the market. There are other huge and very obvious factors to consider here. Not least where/what platform the devs spend their time optimizing and why...

But the specs are a done deal. Series X is a more powerful machine in terms of hardware. Arguing against that fact is meritless.

SONY had the option of vanilla Zen 2 + RDNA 2 just like the XSX but went with their own custom hardware. Now why would they do that unless their configuration is more powerful?
Microsoft didn't have the money to use anything other than vanilla AMD parts.

 

[Rolla]

Lol no it's not, otherwise you'd see it in games. What do you see in games right now ? PS5 is on top. Proof is in the pudding.

Trust your eyes and experts, not marketing messages.

You're creating a false equivalency to make your point.

Their is a catalouge of reasons why games are running better on PS5 and none of them are down to the PS5 being more powerful than the Series X.

 

[M.Night Shyamalan]

"Series X is the MOST powerful hardware, get over yourselves!"

Because a 575 horsepower muscle car from 1971 will beat a 565 HP 2017 Skyline GTR around Nurburgring .

One is built for the track, the other is built like a big dumb brick around any track.

PS5 is the Skyline in this analogy.
Big dumb brick is Series X.

 

[Krisprolls]

"Series X is the MOST powerful hardware, get over yourselves!"

Because a 575 horsepower muscle car from 1971 will beat a 565 HP 2017 Skyline GTR around Nurburgring .

One is built for a track, the other is built like a big dumb brick around the track.

PS5 is the Skyline in this analogy.
Big dumb brick is Series X.

Yes, that's a good analogy actually.

 

[StrongGuy]

You're creating a false equivalency to make your point.

Their is a catalouge of reasons why games are running better on PS5 and none of them are down to the PS5 being more powerful than the Series X.

Please enlighten us, then. What are these reasons?

 

[Dane]

PS5's last and only reported BOM was $450, while XSX's was $480. When was PS5 ever more expensive to produce?

Btw, this still leaves us with Silent Hills, RE8 gameplay showcase on PC, PS5 performing worse, the inability to share more information when Matt pressed him, the fact that he said what he said to balance the console war, and countless other things.

What?

Source: PlayStation 5 to adjust plans in response Xbox Series X pricing

Update: According to new information, Sony is going to match the price of the Xbox Series X.

www.gamereactor.eu

While Sony has yet to respond and reveal the same crucial details about the two versions of the PlayStation 5, including one that doesn't have a disc-drive, we may have an early indication. A source who spoke anonymously to Gamereactor, and who has an overview of the situation, confirmed yesterday that when the Xbox Series X launch details were revealed, the PlayStation 5 was "considerably" more expensive.

Update: Such is the fast-moving nature of the business that we're already hearing reports from multiple sources that Sony has taken the decision to slash the price of the PS5 in response to the aggressive price point of the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yes

Wow first time I heard of someone having a VRR fetish.

 

[Insane Metal]

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

I mean, that's pretty clear to me, dude is a joke. Like some saying goes, "One can have a doctorate and still be an idiot" or something like that. Applies here pretty well. Not that he's an idiot, more like a liar or a fanboy.

 

[reinking]

but the obnoxious behaviour of the Sony fans is the one and only thing that makes me lean towards Xbox - they are just so fucking irritating.

As another multiplatform gamer.... ..It is the opposite for me and has been for several years. I have found the Xbox "Fanboys" (not fans of Xbox) to be less tolerable. Sony has a defense force but Xbox fans seem to be more aggressive. Just look at the FUD over the last year spread by certain twitter accounts. I guess if people are going to call out SDF they need to realize there is a reason it is called the Sony Defense Force and not the Sony Offense Force.

 

[jroc74]

Who created the situation?

Oh yes, the people who have been spitting since the X360 and the entire life of the Xbox One and wishing for a Sony monopoly.

Y'all were saying that anybody who believed that the PS5 had less than 12-14TF was stupid, then the XSX came in with 12 and PS5 with then and changed narratives.

Y'all managed to join ResetEra to cancel one dude who is a reliable insider on Capcom stuff because he said that he heard/saw RE8 running not well on PS5.

I'll entertain some of this. Lets say someone did say that about 12tf-14tf for the PS5. What happened after the ...facts....came out? Ppl accepted it, they were either still on board or were pissed. What also happened after that? Devs and ppl in the know started talking more and the more they talked the more many came to realize tf arent everything. After the Road to PS5, was there a concentrated effort to find the 2nd gpu? Many accepted the PS5 would be coming up short, just that it would be close..

Now lets talk about Team Green. The more info about PS5 came out the more FUD from Team Green came, came hard n fast.... FUD from ppl like Jason Ronald, Aaron Greenberg, Albert Panello, Tom Warren. Folks that should be above FUD and fanboy bullshit. This thread is about someone who admitted they wanted to even things out because PS5 was getting so much praise, Xbox was getting too much negativity...Their info about Capcom stuff is irrelevant to that.

Know what else happened? Faceoffs between the 3 next gen consoles. After real world, factual info comes out what happens?

Team Green is shellshocked and refuse to see real world results. Now its wait for:

Tools
Full RDNA 2 use
Devs to get used to the late dev kits, dev environment

When reality is more likely that...."its the closest 2 consoles have ever been".

So....when you or anyone wanna compare the 2 fandoms, please keep it real. Thanks.

You need to check the first post in this thread again. Is that RE8 thing really the only fake thing he said?

I think once the bill of materials get posted it should make things even more clearer.

I think the PS5 was cheaper to make, that was backed up by folks with reliable info. Add to that they made the DE $399 and yeah...

 

[sircaw]

He's talking about frame rate dipping, he says VRR can help so there's that How you get VRR is poor from that I have no idea

no not having it riky, just like you refuse to listen to others i am refusing to listen to you

 

[Dane]

I'll entertain some of this. Lets say someone did say that about 12tf-14tf for the PS5. What happened after the ...facts....came out? Ppl accepted it, they were either still on board or were pissed. What also happened after that? Devs and ppl in the know started talking more and the more they talked the more many came to realize tf arent everything. After the Road to PS5, was there a concentrated effort to find the 2nd gpu? Many accepted the PS5 would be coming up short, just that it would be close..

Now lets talk about Team Green. The more info about PS5 came out the more FUD from Team Green came, came hard n fast.... FUD from ppl like Jason Ronald, Aaron Greenberg, Albert Panello, Tom Warren. Folks that should be above FUD and fanboy bullshit. This thread is about someone who admitted they wanted to even things out because PS5 was getting so much praise, Xbox was getting too much negativity...Their info about Capcom stuff is irrelevant to that.

Know what else happened? Faceoffs between the 3 next gen consoles. After real world, factual info comes out what happens?

Team Green is shellshocked and refuse to see real world results. Now its wait for:

Tools
Full RDNA 2 use
Devs to get used to the late dev kits, dev environment

When reality is more likely that...."its the closest 2 consoles have ever been".

So....when you or anyone wanna compare the 2 fandoms, please keep it real. Thanks.



I think once the bill of materials get posted it should make things even more clearer.

I think the PS5 was cheaper to make, that was backed up by folks with reliable info. Add to that they made the DE $399 and yeah...

"many accepted that the PS5 could be slighty behind" some used as a goalpost to use "but my exclusives" argument, or that "my SSD will beat the XSX" argument, most never accepted that the PS5 could be weaker spec wise.

I wouldn't give any attention to team Green or Blue fanboys either, but the former only exists because the latter keeps trying to force their taste and superiority to others to the point where even No Brand, PC and Nintendo gamers are more on the Xbox side because they can't stand how the Sony fanboy community acts. It's not uncommon to see anything regarded the Xbox in a neutral to positive light being derailed by them and that's not only here. It sounds like the average Xbox fan on internet tends to be more on its own lane while the Playstation one will try to derail it. The truth is that most people were just laughing at the PS5 being 10.2TF not because it was weaker, but it was just to see the arrogant cultists to screech around, wouldn't even surprise me if these people bought a PS5.

 

[AmateurPong]

I’m not sure about that - the ‘Sony Defence Force’ has been a running joke for years. Their bullshit is relentless. I’ve said this before, I’ve bought and played every PlayStation and every Xbox - I’m a multi platform gamer for sure - but the obnoxious behaviour of the Sony fans is the one and only thing that makes me lean towards Xbox - they are just so fucking irritating.

They are especially bad here, some of the worst I've seen anywhere on the internet with they way the run around unchecked and spam nearly every thread with their attacks. Was never really one to use blocking features, but filtering out the worst offenders has made this forum infinitely more readable. They have also turned me off the brand just by association.

 

[ShadowWolf712]

I wouldn't give any attention to team Green or Blue fanboys either, but the former only exists because the latter keeps trying to force their taste and superiority to others

Oh boo-boo, no. That's not at all how any of this works, bless your heart.

 

[manfestival]

THIS THREAD IS SO MUCH FUN

 

[Heisenberg007]

Source: PlayStation 5 to adjust plans in response Xbox Series X pricing

Update: According to new information, Sony is going to match the price of the Xbox Series X.

www.gamereactor.eu

While Sony has yet to respond and reveal the same crucial details about the two versions of the PlayStation 5, including one that doesn't have a disc-drive, we may have an early indication. A source who spoke anonymously to Gamereactor, and who has an overview of the situation, confirmed yesterday that when the Xbox Series X launch details were revealed, the PlayStation 5 was "considerably" more expensive.

Update: Such is the fast-moving nature of the business that we're already hearing reports from multiple sources that Sony has taken the decision to slash the price of the PS5 in response to the aggressive price point of the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

An anonymous source?

Let me publish an article that says "Based on the information we have received from an anonymous source, we can confirm that PS5 only costs $350 to make, and Sony is racking in a $50 profit even on the DE edition."

How would that be any different from this?

 

[Mokus]

Frame tearing is totally illiminated, the game is still dropping the frames but tearing is the GPU output and the TV refresh being different, that doesn't happen with VRR.

That's just not true. VRR works only between the 40-120Hz range. Games with unstable 30 fps will have the typical issues as usual.

 

[Riky]

That's just not true. VRR works only between the 40-120Hz range. Games with unstable 30 fps will have the typical issues as usual.

Not true, there is no set standard of frames for HDMI 2.1 but it works on most equipment down to 24hz.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not true, there is no set standard of frames for HDMI 2.1 but it works on most equipment down to 24hz.

VRR is not a silver bullet: game still slows down, input latency still grows, and it sucks on OLED displays. Yes, it removes tearing if your console, TV, and AVR chain supports it.

 

[TGO]

Has a console ever struggled with cross gen ports?
They usually power through them regardless of tools

 

[Mr Moose]

Source: PlayStation 5 to adjust plans in response Xbox Series X pricing

Update: According to new information, Sony is going to match the price of the Xbox Series X.

www.gamereactor.eu

While Sony has yet to respond and reveal the same crucial details about the two versions of the PlayStation 5, including one that doesn't have a disc-drive, we may have an early indication. A source who spoke anonymously to Gamereactor, and who has an overview of the situation, confirmed yesterday that when the Xbox Series X launch details were revealed, the PlayStation 5 was "considerably" more expensive.

Update: Such is the fast-moving nature of the business that we're already hearing reports from multiple sources that Sony has taken the decision to slash the price of the PS5 in response to the aggressive price point of the Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

That's not Eurogamer and an anonymous source? They get their info from Dusk Golem?

 

[Imtjnotu]

Has a console ever struggled with cross gen ports?
They usually power through them regardless of tools

When the game is held together with turkey gravy and popsicle sticks, there is not telling how it will run on any machine

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's not Eurogamer and an anonymous source? They get their info from Dusk Golem?

There was this interview with Jim Ryan.

PS5 Price Was Decided in Early 2020, Pre-Lockdown, and Never Changed; Big Games Will Come Earlier

Jim Ryan revealed that the PS5 price was decided before the lockdowns and didn't change. Big games will come earlier this time around, too.

wccftech.com

If what he said is true then if they did change the price it was much earlier.

we fixed on our product lineup late last year. Our preferred pricing was determined early in this calendar year, prelockdown. And we just got on and executed with what we wanted to do.

No, no, it didn’t [change], no. We’ve been able to launch PlayStation 5 at $399, €399, with all the horsepower and the feature set that the console has, at the same price that we launched PS4 back in 2013. That was important for us, and we’re very happy that we’ve been able to do that. 399 worked very well for us last time round and we’d like it to work very well for us this time round, too.

Seems like 399$ was always the minimum price that they were aiming for. This time they did it with the Digital Edition instead of having the disk SKU set at 499$.

 

[Aroll]

I once caught him lying about Hellblade 2 being realtime. Back in December he said it was prerendered on PC and that no AMD board was capable of running it in realtime. Then 7 months later when that Epic guy said Senua's model was realtime, he changed his story and said the Producer at Epic told him it was realtime and rendered on the XSX.

December 13th:

7 Months Later after Epic confirmed that at least the Senua model was realtime:

You can easily see how he just makes up sources on the spot to latch on to any rumor. He had no sources back in December. he doubted it was rendered on an AMD board. Even though supposedly he had spoken to his BFF Epic Producer a day before and had confirmation that it was realtime running on the xsx.

I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt because he was one of the few who didnt peddle us that insane 13 tflops garbage. But he was wrong about the PS5 being 9 tflops, and he was wrong about the PS5 Pro at launch, and just straight up making shit up about this. I dont like seeing people banned but I dont see how you can still have a verified tag after getting so many things wrong and literally getting caught lying about stuff.

Definitely a bad look. While he's been vetted and apparently has real connections, reality is I think he might be falling into the same trap many people do - blindly changing stories/arguments to defend/support ourselves and our choices. We all should know this all too well with console wars. How blindly and quickly people can change their stories and their arguments and contradict themselves all for the sake of defending their purchase or platform company of choice. It's really common and it happens in politics and really, anything that has people passionately defending something.

It's just, the thing is, when you have sources - and hey I have had some sources as well I use once in a blue moon on my YouTube channel, there is such an easy and simple way out of things typically. Such as "that's just what my source said". The problem is, he uses very... matter of fact statements, which should only be made by people who have direct knowledge.

Let's say I heard from someone at Nintendo Treehouse about a Switch Pro. Okay, cool - and if I decide to report ont hat or make a video, it would still come with all the caveats any other rumor/leak would of "hey it's just what I was told, but I don't work there so I can't say it's definitely happening". Unfortunately, most treat their sources, even if real, as gospel.

In this case, he seems to keep saying matter of fact things without adding the distance that should be granted of not being the direct source. So he finds himself in hot water, changing his story and maybe hoping his clout will let it slip through. Like so many others do when defending themselves.

The end result: If he has real sources, than he is just shooting himself in the foot for believability. If he doesn't, he's just exposing himself. Neither looks good for him.

 

[anothertech]

It's crazy that 7 years later, Sony is once again $100 cheaper AND performing better.

I mean, holy shit. How did ms let that happen?

This time is almost worse, because their fans were utterly convinced by the numbers that MS would lead this time. But game after game they lose the performance war.

There may be no turning back from this. Can't wait for the flood of games to start rolling in. But there is definitely a breaking point that becomes too little too late.

 

[Dane]

Oh boo-boo, no. That's not at all how any of this works, bless your heart.

God bless your heart too to not hate your enemy, but to pray for him.

An anonymous source?

Let me publish an article that says "Based on the information we have received from an anonymous source, we can confirm that PS5 only costs $350 to make, and Sony is racking in a $50 profit even on the DE edition."

How would that be any different from this?

That's not Eurogamer and an anonymous source? They get their info from Dusk Golem?

Eurogamer portgual who linked back to GameReactor, another big website.

Rumor: PS5 mais cara do que a Xbox Series X

ActualizaçãoO GameReactor recebeu uma actualização de informações relativas aos planos da Sony para o preço da PlayStat…

www.eurogamer.pt

 

[S73v3]

Microsoft marketing Series X as a "no compromise most powerful console ever" has been a marketing blunder for them imo

Irregardless, if Xbox gets more consistent in performing best as the gen goes on, swapping blows with the ps5 at launch was something alot of people didn't expect.

It's interesting stuff for sure, I haven't been an Xbox fan in a decade and I'm barley a fan of the current Sony output so I really don't care that much.