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[GHG]

Aaaaand...you just proved my point. Are you 12? Lol

Yes, I am in fact younger than my account here.

 

[Hendrick's]

Yes, I am in fact younger than my account here.

Nothing to brag about.

 

[Alan Wake]

It had plenty of momentum from the 3DS though which is more its predecessor than WiiU.

I agree (though it's controversial) that the Switch is more of a handheld than a home console by design. But the 3DS, although it did well, wasn't really doing DS numbers so I don't know if you could say that the Switch took momentum from there either. Nintendo have proven that they can have a successful console after a less successful one (or a direct failure as the Wii U). The Wii is one example of that.

 

[Aloy's Bad Hair Day]

People seem to be forgetting Microsoft distributed their systems to more markets globally at launch than Sony did.

Well that’s only true if you count PS5 sales on 12th November. If you roll in 19th November PS5 launched in many more markets than Series.

 

[GHG]

Nothing to brag about.

Proud member of SonyGAF since 2006.

In Europe and Middle East xbox is not doing hot.

U can buy xsx and xss in dubai anywhere you go right now.

Yep.

The good news: SonyGAF is not an accurate representation of real life.

The bad news: In real life the situation is far worse for Xbox than this forum would lead you to believe.

 

[Klayzer]

I find it hard to believe, that either company didn't have at least 1.5 million consoles ready for launch in NA (especially Microsoft). Seems like the decision makers, decided to spread their allotted amount more evenly worldwide than usual.

Curious, what internal metric they have that made them decide to focus on a more international approach. Unless it was just a straight production issue.

 

[pixelation]

At some point, ppl have to stop falling for pr, spin.

The Microsoft faithful live off that sugary spin, spin... oh and promise after promise of a better tomorrow that will come... someday.... eventually... they must be saints, I sure as heck wouldn't tolerate that shit for as long as they have.

 

[reptilex]

Lets not forget the stock, pandemic situation.

Sony seems to be much better prepared than MS in that regard, but could be doing better overall. There's no telling how much better either could have done in a normal situation.

But, if they sold more this time, under these circumstances, why would they sell less than 100 million overall? Wouldnt 100 million be the minimum?

The pandemic didn't not create the artificial shortage, however did boost as predicted the initial sales since in 2020 people are most likely to buy an item to purview at launch that they would back in 2013 were a mass segment of buyers would instead wait.

It means that as soon as next year you'll see a stagnation for demand when it was the opposite for the PS4

Now my 80m projection is for the console in it's current state, but it will change depending on AAAA games (as in exclusive AAA) and most importantly the next PS5 models.

 

[reptilex]

Damn delusional is one hell of a huge problem lmao

DO you even believe what you write? Absolutely disgraceful.

I work in trend analysis and prospective, I'm right about 85% of the time. Those who are delusional are those who don't know shit about market behaviors and demands.

Now again this is a projection for the PS5 under it's current state, when the next models releases in a few year it will change but the launch already dictates that lifetime sales will be between 80 and 95 millions, PS4 already lost many potential sales because of lack of BC and most importantly the line-up fragmentation but made up for it in many ways the PS5 did not meet, still selling ~115 millions.

 

[Jtibh]

Scalping isn't to anywhere near the scale you think it is. They sold over 1.1 million PS5's in the USA alone... wrap that number around your head a little bit.

A very high estimate for the number scalped would be 200k. It's probably more like ~150k or less, or roughly 10%.

Is it bigger because of online sales? Probably. Is it so big it's worth it for stores to implement bot protections? No.. this problem exists for a tiny tiny fraction of what they sell.

And newsflash, scalped consoles do not represent what the average person is willing to pay for them. Either way, why are you asking for 100% of people to be punished with a higher price rather than the much smaller percentage of people who just can't wait out an initial product rush? These issues are always temporary, the PS5 is not a limited edition item.. this will pass.

I managed to buy 2 for myself.. wasn't even that hard. There have been multiple restocks. It's scarce right now but there will be more drops too, and it's not all bots buying them.

Newsflash....

 

[v_iHuGi]

I work in trend analysis and prospective, I'm right about 85% of the time. Those who are delusional are those who don't know shit about market behaviors and demands.

Now again this is a projection for the PS5 under it's current state, when the next models releases in a few year it will change but the launch already dictates that lifetime sales will be between 80 and 95 millions, PS4 already lost many potential sales because of lack of BC and most importantly the line-up fragmentation but made up for it in many ways the PS5 did not meet, still selling ~115 millions.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Remember about 3 months ago or longer, people were saying Covid would destroy the demand for $500 consoles as everyone is out of work and worried about money. Releasing such a product in such a climate would be a very tough sell.

Interesting that it had the opposite effect, for PS5 at least, even if people do have less money.

 

[anothertech]

MS fucked themselves with that confusing dual launch and Halo clusterfuck.

Cheapest console obviously is not the sales leader in any form.

 

[Tefl0n]

The PS5 beating xbox is its home patch. It's going to destroy it WW. The future is blue and red. Nintendo and Sony ruling the industry as Xbox consoles fade into even more irrelevance.

you can go to sleep happy now

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

So XSX did worse than XB1 but also sold out... sounds more like a stock availability issue than an interest issue. People need to chill.

Yup the demand for Series X is high as well, it's merely a stock issue.

 

[Kerotan]

you can go to sleep happy now

I was already sleeping happily. I knew they had no chance.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I read the Xbox Series X factories were lacking........tools.

sorry....couldn't help it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Yup the demand for Series X is high as well, it's merely a stock issue.

Seems like Sony was able to produce more PS5s than Microsoft was able to produce both Series consoles.

It does look like of weird and I'm not sure why they are have more production issues than Sony does.

 

[Greggy]

Xbox division...

Nobody is talking about the profits of Microsoft and Sony as a whole but you, as they are irrelevant to this conversation.

You expressed personal concern about the future of the xbox division and I had to make clear that it was both sweet and misguided, as the division does not exist on its own. The CEO of MS has expressed many times his unconditional support to the gaming division. Never mind that you don't know the first thing about its profitability or Playstation's for that matter. You're treating your own speculation as facts and seem surprised not to be unanimously followed in your (I'm sure genuine) expressions of concern about someone else's balance sheet.

 

[Greggy]

It's clear as day the post was referring to the gaming division for each company. Phil Spencer said himself MS was considering cutting the Xbox division six years ago so how big Microsoft's market cap is and their overall profit margins is largely irrelevant for Xbox.

Quote from Phil please. Also what was Xbox's profitability in 2019? thank you.

 

[Birdo]

Remember about 3 months ago or longer, people were saying Covid would destroy the demand for $500 consoles as everyone is out of work and worried about money. Releasing such a product in such a climate would be a very tough sell.

What else are people going to do whilst they are locked in their houses? This almost feels like a cheat mode.

We all thought COVID would ruin these new consoles. But it turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

 

[ethomaz]

Newsflash....

I did not see that Deus shot.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Nothing to brag about.

His best years are still ahead of him!

 

[BlackM1st]

Had my reservations about the DualSense, but it’s taken me by surprise how much I love it. Up there with my favourite ever controllers now, so glad it’s done well along with the PS5.

Real talk. It's surprisingly good and any PS4 player will feel right at home immediately. There's no need for adjustment.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Yup the demand for Series X is high as well, it's merely a stock issue.

I recall 2013, the xbo was out of stock too, just not as fast as the ps4, and less units were sold. Same as this year. However, i will grant you that the series x is more compelling than the xbo ever was, however Sony is coming out of the last ten strong, people are way happier with their ps4 than they were with their ps3, they get to keep the games they bought in the last few years, some run much better on the ps5 too.

Changing platform has become much tougher.

 

[Captain Toad]

I work in trend analysis and prospective, I'm right about 85% of the time. Those who are delusional are those who don't know shit about market behaviors and demands.

Now again this is a projection for the PS5 under it's current state, when the next models releases in a few year it will change but the launch already dictates that lifetime sales will be between 80 and 95 millions, PS4 already lost many potential sales because of lack of BC and most importantly the line-up fragmentation but made up for it in many ways the PS5 did not meet, still selling ~115 millions.

LMAO

wow....

 

[Three]

Curious, what internal metric they have that made them decide to focus on a more international approach. Unless it was just a straight production issue.

It's likely just the logistics of manufacturing and shipping. I remember this thread

Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units

Well better get a pre order locked in or may be a long wait. https://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/articles/2020-09-15/QGFJPPDWLU6M01 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/sony-is-said-to-cut-ps5-forecast-by-4-million-due-to-chip-woes

www.neogaf.com

As a side note look at all the xbox fans concerned about lower production there (reliability, clockspeeds, sales) now some are using lower production as an OK excuse for lower sales.

 

[The Chairman]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

 

[reinking]

I get that but I think it should be pretty obvious I've had lost patience with the circle jerk nonsense in here. Rooting for any of the platforms to fail is self destructive idiocy and much of SonyGAF has degenerated to the "its not enough I should succeed, but the other should fail" territory with all the inherent willful ignorance this entails.

You are contributing to the nonsense that you are preaching against by using terms like SonyGAF as a derogatory term. The circle-jerk street goes both ways. Sony just happens to be getting more good news lately.

 

[Rolla]

Sony's DualSense Wireless Controller White achieved the highest launch month unit and dollar sales for a gamepad in U.S. history.
Source: NPD Group

In History?!

PlayStation's Logistical team right now

 

[Topher]

His best years are still ahead of him!

I don't know, man. Think he may have peaked early.

 

[RyanEvans21]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

Cant buy another PS5 because of stock issues. I went to Best Buy yesterday and plenty of Switch in my store.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Well that’s only true if you count PS5 sales on 12th November. If you roll in 19th November PS5 launched in many more markets than Series.

Define "many more". Is it over 36? How many more over 36?

 

[ethomaz]

I work in trend analysis and prospective, I'm right about 85% of the time. Those who are delusional are those who don't know shit about market behaviors and demands.

Now again this is a projection for the PS5 under it's current state, when the next models releases in a few year it will change but the launch already dictates that lifetime sales will be between 80 and 95 millions, PS4 already lost many potential sales because of lack of BC and most importantly the line-up fragmentation but made up for it in many ways the PS5 did not meet, still selling ~115 millions.

What? PS4 lost potential sales?

~90m precious gen to ~120m PS4.

They did gain potential sales.

 

[ethomaz]

Define "many more". Is it over 36? How many more over 36?

52 (or 56... there is conflicted reports and I’m not in mood to check country by country ) vs 36.

PS4 launched in 48 only (that include US related launch in late November and EU/Others launch in early December)... Sony announced they successful launched the console in 48 countries on Dec 12nd.

PS5 now launched in countries that had a delay on PS4 the biggest one being Japan.

 

[v_iHuGi]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

Are you sure it is not 100%? The lenghts people go to say BS blews my mind

Of course Switch is selling more in Japan, that will always be the reality there.

 

[The Chairman]

Cant buy another PS5 because of stock issues. I went to Best Buy yesterday and plenty of Switch in my store.

Scalpers are not focusing on the Switch right now.

Are you sure it is not 100%? The lenghts people go to say BS blews my mind

Of course Switch is selling more in Japan, that will always be the reality there.

It's also selling more in the US.

 

[yurinka]

It's likely just the logistics of manufacturing and shipping. I remember this thread

Sony cuts PS5 production by 4 million units

Well better get a pre order locked in or may be a long wait. https://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/articles/2020-09-15/QGFJPPDWLU6M01 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/sony-is-said-to-cut-ps5-forecast-by-4-million-due-to-chip-woes

www.neogaf.com

As a side note look at all the xbox fans concerned about lower production there (reliability, clockspeeds, sales) now some are using lower production as an OK excuse for lower sales.

Sony debunked this, claiming it's fake and that they didn't reduce their production.

It's also selling more in the US.

Yes, because Switch isn't supply constrained and it's on its sales peak year instead.

 

[v_iHuGi]

Scalpers are not focusing on the Switch right now.

It's also selling more in the US.

Well of course, 1 is a new product that can´t meet demand, the other is a old product which demand can be match more easilly.

Nintendo will keep outselling them until Sony can make enough Consoles, so Holiday 2021 everything should be back to normal with Ps5 ahead even in the US.

 

[VectorVictor]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

In a sea of Sony fanboi ignorance, this comment stands out like a lighthouse of truth.

 

[Enjay]

I wonder what the ratio is of consoles sold to consoles online. Could at least give an idea as to how much of the scalpers supply is being bought.

 

[Topher]

In a sea of Sony fanboi ignorance, this comment stands out like a lighthouse of truth.

Sounds like the lighthouse of hyperbole to me

 

[Unknown?]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

I wonder if PS4 outselling Switch in its launch year and second year was also news for you then?

 

[reinking]

I wonder what the ratio is of consoles sold to consoles online. Could at least give an idea as to how much of the scalpers supply is being bought.

I think the ratio would be smaller than people expect. Even the headline grabbing scalpers are in the what 2000-3500 unit range? There were reports that the guy selling the bot subs was exaggerating numbers too. I believe they have had an impact but much less than they are getting credit for.

Anecdotal evidence. I was able to preorder 3 PS5 and 2 XBSX hitting F5 no bots involved. Don't worry, I did not resell any. I cancelled 1 of the PS5 and 1 of the Series X once I knew the other orders went through.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Cant buy another PS5 because of stock issues. I went to Best Buy yesterday and plenty of Switch in my store.

 

[reinking]

In a sea of Sony fanboi ignorance, this comment stands out like a lighthouse of truth.

You come into a thread that is obviously good news for Sony and expect what?

 

[MasterCornholio]

Cant buy another PS5 because of stock issues. I went to Best Buy yesterday and plenty of Switch in my store.

Hopefully I buy my first PS5 before you get your second.

 

[ethomaz]

People are celebrating here while 80% of PS5 and series X consoles are in scalpers warehouses right now, it's meaningless. the real news here is the Switch selling more than these new consoles in the US and Japan while not having any major game released for it and with no discounts.

I’m sure 99% of the console sold are in actual consumer homes.

Overestimating scalpers are like 5-10k consoles max.

 

[Evilms]

Sales figures for console launches in the U.S.

1. PlayStation 5 : > 1140K
2. PlayStation 4 : 1140K
3. Xbox One : 910K
4. Nintendo Switch : 906K
5. Xbox Series X/S : < 910K
6. Xbox : > 550K
7. GameCube : > 500K
8. Dreamcast : > 500K
9. Wii : 476K
10. Wii U : > 425K
11. PlayStation 2 : > 395K
12. Xbox 360 : 326K
13. Nintendo 64 : > 300K
14. PlayStation 3 : 197K
15. PlayStation : > 100K

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

What else are people going to do whilst they are locked in their houses? This almost feels like a cheat mode.

We all thought COVID would ruin these new consoles. But it turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

It's basically money that would have gone on leisure and tourism has gone on home entertainment. If PS5 managed to manufacture 1.5m for NA alone, they would have sold through 1.5m imo because of this frenzy.