Aceofspades
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Wasn't DF analysis of PS5 vs PC concluded that PS5 was running assets and vegetation on a setting higher than PC ultra max settings?
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NXGamer's Dirt 5 comparison: PS5 x XSX
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Wasn't DF analysis of PS5 vs PC concluded that PS5 was running assets and vegetation on a setting higher than PC ultra max settings?
GaviotaGrande
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Yes but not surprisingly you omitted the fact that they commented it's due to a bug / oversight from the developers. They also said that grass density has virtually no impact on the performance.
I can crank the grass density in for example Witcher 3 to 10000 and the game still runs like a dream.
NEXT!
Rudius
Member
Fifa 21 is better on PS5?
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Damn, ps5 obliterates series x in this game, much higher res in 60 fps and much higher quality of assets lod etc etc and still has better performance.
In 120 its running way higher settings and looks better despite a 900p vs 1080p res.
I can only imagine the resolution seriex x would have to drop to to match ps5 settings and performance in 120 mode. 720p?
In 120 its running way higher settings and looks better despite a 900p vs 1080p res.
I can only imagine the resolution seriex x would have to drop to to match ps5 settings and performance in 120 mode. 720p?
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alucard0712_rus
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I don't know. Maybe Im exageratting but still.U keep waiting while we enjoy gaming
As much as I enjoy console wars but it is bit too much, not fair.
I mean it is not neccesary being asshole now. That's not Xbox fans fault that platform clearly struggling and that's not your merit that Sony is winning. To me it looks more like devs need more time to optimize for Xbox, and there is two of them. CPU clock adventage will be eaten by API overhead, but GPU grunt is here. Blame some company for releasing it in this state as there no "wait for toolz" sticker on console.
Imagine PC gamers will shit on both sides when Cyberpunk releases, it's not even funny.
Edit: I'm on PC+Sony+Nintendo. Also not a fan of releasing comparison video days before big patch.
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Leyasu
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They should have delayed this game for the series X and S. This needed a lot longer in the oven. Not even gonna say lazy devs. They obviously had to put it out, and this was the result. People that bought this should be asking for a refund.
Also, like others have said, DF test games before and after patching, so NX gamer is entitled to do the same.
Wait for the patch lol. Those that bought this on the series consoles will certainly be waiting. Especially if they want to play a version that is worth playing....U keep waiting while we enjoy gaming
Also, like others have said, DF test games before and after patching, so NX gamer is entitled to do the same.
MasterCornholio
Member
You have to admit out of the two the XSX version while playable is a visual mess compared to the PS5 version. I don't blame people that want to wait for a patch that will improve the visuals.
With that said I hope they work hard on the patch and don't do a quick fix with it. Visuals should be improved but not at the expense of performance.
assurdum
Banned
A lot of straw answer to call "next". It's not like personal guesses are tech fact but ok. Generally grass density is bandwidth tied and it's the only fact we know about this situation. It's hard to be clear what's going on there and I wouldn't use single cases to affirm as statistical some results.Yes but not surprisingly you omitted the fact that they commented it's due to a bug / oversight from the developers. They also said that grass density has virtually no impact on the performance.
I can crank the grass density in for example Witcher 3 to 10000 and the game still runs like a dream.
NEXT!
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sncvsrtoip
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VRS must be one of most overhyped feature ever (especially on other forum)He said xsx uses vrs thays why it looks bad
alucard0712_rus
Member
It's beyond amazing, but more on PC than on consoles as they have definite target frame-rate.
Leyasu
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They are a disaster. If people want to play them then that is up to them. But holding out for a patch like it is a talisman that is going to dramatically improve this is not something that I would be doing or recommend.
Unless a patch is going to come in the next couple of moths after the devs have finally finished the series versions.
IMO, they will improve some things, but it won't be anywhere near what it should be. Codemasters are just going through the process of starting to work for Take2. That should be enough to tell anyone that this is not going to get the time that it needs. T2 are going to be wanting them working on their project A.S.A.P.
Dirt 5 owners should be asking for a refund.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Here's your tech fact. Going from no grass to very high grass = penalty of only 3 frames. But yet some here are delusional enough to claim that higher setting than "very high" is not on PC because of I/O limitations? GTFO
assurdum
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Here's your tech fact. Going from no grass to very high grass = penalty of only 3 frames. But yet some here are delusional enough to claim that higher setting than "very high" is not on PC because of I/O limitations? GTFO
Never said that. But forgive me if I wouldn't use some selective area tested as a fact, from the same guy who uses as benchmark the cutscene which got worst perfomance on ps5, after the last patch.
We don' have the full picture yet and we seen just theories nothing more
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sncvsrtoip
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you mistaked vrs with vrr
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Lysandros
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Isn't both versions lower bound 900P in 120 FPS mode?
Edit: Where it says in the video that XSX version runs at locked 1080P with 40% advantage over PS5?
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GaviotaGrande
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I'm not saying that you said that. But some are already going in that direction. It's a stress test area with loads of clutter/grass. That's why it was picked.
It works both ways. Someone can say that cloth animation on PS5 looks like a flip-book and it's probably due to a I/O. limitation.
It's an Ubisoft game. It's a piece of shit in terms of polish and optimization. Nothing new.
assurdum
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Oh never mind. I see what you said in the previous page. My fault. Now call piece of shit because there is Ubisoft behind, it's useless offensive to their job.
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Physiognomonics
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Both versions can run at 900p. It's just that PS5 runs more often at 900p.
Coulomb_Barrier
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2080 not high end!? Are you fucking high?
In any case PS5 is performing near 2080 Ti than it is 2080.
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MasterCornholio
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Mr Moose
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Yup, both dynamic, dropping to 900p at the lowest according to NXG.
I don't think they even mentioned the flashing grass which was easy for everyone to see. (I could be wrong, my memory is shit
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GaviotaGrande
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It's literally last, last gen in terms of PC GPUs. It's so ancient you can't even buy a new 2080 card. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not considered high-end in late 2020.
Mr Moose
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I wish it was in price
I need a new GPU that isn't too expensive.
sncvsrtoip
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probably many people payed massive amount of money for new pc with 2080 gpu in first half of 2020
alucard0712_rus
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GaviotaGrande
Banned
Probably. It's not cheap to keep up with the technology.
Self
Member
To be fair: PC folks traditionally have to wait for tools more frequently. It's the most complex of all plattforms after all.
Bo_Hazem
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Here's your tech fact. Going from no grass to very high grass = penalty of only 3 frames. But yet some here are delusional enough to claim that higher setting than "very high" is not on PC because of I/O limitations? GTFO
Won't ever touch that soul-less 70fps.
BTW, WD:L is simply addictive and gorgeous! Mostly played as an African spy because of his accent makes everything so good.
Sounds like those guys:
MasterCornholio
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Won't ever touch that soul-less 70fps.
BTW, WD:L is simply addictive and gorgeous! Mostly played as an African spy because of his accent makes everything so good.
" I am a male attracted to a female"
" So who is gay?"
I'm so confused.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
" I am a male attracted to a female"
" So who is gay?"
I'm so confused.
Watch the whole thing, one of the best interviews I've seen in my life
Don't miss Pasta, it's too good.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
This exchange is way better than any dialogue in WD:L.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think depends on the player voice actor, some are hilarious and some, few, are cheesy.
Honestly...weeks have passed and the PS2.5 graphics in the XSX 120Hz mode were not fixed although it should have been an easy bug to identify and fix. Developers stated they would look into it but are they actually going to do something about it or they just said that not to admit that's the best they can do on the system and to avoid being consequently burned alive by the rabid fans?
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Agnostic2020
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I understand your point . What you are forgetting is that for one year we had to put up with him and likes of him always spreading BS about ps5 and it downclocks to 9 tf and and its extremely weak and difference is staggering and its best if ps fans avoid DF threads etc.... so after one year of dealing with that now we hear excuses that never were mentioned during the past year so it gets annoying . But regardless we are all gamers and we should enjoy gaming together .in the next few days/weeks all will go back to normal and non of us will care for this differences . Its the monster they created
Agnostic2020
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It is so odd to cheer for a feature that makes the game so ugly haha I dont get it
BlueXImpulse
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If it is a bug it will be an easy fix. If it's not then the developers are in a hard position because they either have to give the framerate or resolution a hit to make up for it.
Zadom
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I didn’t like Witcher 3 but man, I like this picture.Yes but not surprisingly you omitted the fact that they commented it's due to a bug / oversight from the developers. They also said that grass density has virtually no impact on the performance.
I can crank the grass density in for example Witcher 3 to 10000 and the game still runs like a dream.
NEXT!
Indeed but honestly if this was just a bug with a LOD setting not being turned on properly like many suggested it would have been already fixed.
If the game is actually like that because of performance issues with the higher level of detail there won't be an easy fix.
I fear that the actual problem is the latter and developers didn't have the courage to admit it, thus they preferred to say they would look into it generically.
Frame rate in 120Hz mode can't be allowed to drop under certain levels otherwise it would be a 90Hz mode
rsesolution is the only other realistic option...or keep the LOD as it is.We'll see if this patch finally arrives and changes things.
alucard0712_rus
Member
Agreed. But that's one of the consoles advantage. We expect them to work "better" and easer than a PC.
Heisenberg007
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Indeed but honestly if this was just a bug with a LOD setting not being turned on properly like many suggested it would have been already fixed.
If the game is actually like that because of performance issues with the higher level of detail there won't be an easy fix.
I fear that the actual problem is the latter and developers didn't have the courage to admit it, thus they preferred to say they would look into it generically.
Frame rate in 120Hz mode can't be allowed to drop under certain levels otherwise it would be a 90Hz mode
We'll see if this patch finally arrives and changes things.
I think it is pretty obvious that the lower graphic presets was not a bug. I've just one question for anyone who disagrees and says that it was just a bug:
XSX maintains an average of 117-118 frames in the 120 FPS mode with low graphics settings. If the graphics settings increase (assuming at the same resolution it is right now), what happens to frame-rates?
Dirt 5 developers could only hit 117-118 FPS after lowering the graphics. There's no way they are going to just increase the graphical settings. Either the resolution will have to be lowered significantly, or the frame rates will go down to <100 -- which will be unacceptable.
alabtrosMyster
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J_Gamer.exe
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Let's put it another way, ps5 120fps mode is not too dissimilar to the seriex x quality mode outside of res, what res and framerate could ps5 be in 120fps if it ran at seriex x asset, lod etc settings, which are almost series s settings.
I'd say 1440p and locked 120fps easily maybe higher.
The settings are just so low its embarrassing imo...
I'd say 1440p and locked 120fps easily maybe higher.
The settings are just so low its embarrassing imo...
Vae_Victis
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Isn't this a bit like saying that a $500,000 car is not "high end", because some $2,000,000 cars also exist?
According to Steam Survey, people with a GPU better than a 2080 are like 2.5% of the total I think? And Steam Survey is by definition skewed towards high-end gamers, so in all likelyhood you can move that decimal point down another spot.
I mean, if you are putting the boundaries of what is or isn't "high end" arbitrarily so high that only a fraction of a percent of the total population (of products and of users) fits in, you are technically correct, but does that distinction mean anything in practice?
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
high-end
/ˌhīˈend/
adjective
- denoting the most expensive of a range of products.
"high-end computers"
Klayzer
Member
PC gamers have an irrational fear of consoles being compared to rigs. The very thought that consoles are even in the same ballpark as the latest cards, pisses them off.
Console gamers are getting a high end, PC like experience at half the cost of entry.
Unknown?
Member
I agree, not high end, but you could get away with saying it's superior to 95% of gaming PCs out there.
Vae_Victis
Banned
Yes but, you're effectively kicking the can down the road. "Most expensive" is still an undefined boundary. Is it the ONE single most expensive? The 5 most expensive? Everything that is in a 5% price range of the single most expensive? In a 10% range?
I'm not arguing that it doesn't mean "what is on the top floor", I was just saying that if you place that top floor too high, you are gating off stuff that for all practical intents and purposes should fall in that same category, and the whole scale loses any meaning. If "high" is top 1% for example, then "middle" and "low" cover 99% combined, which doesn't make any sense.
Ev1L AuRoN
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In the PC space we have more granularity
Budget all the junk cards
low End 550/1650
Mid-low 590/1660ti/5500xt
Mid end 2060/5600/5700
Mid-high 2070S/5700xt/3060ti
High-end 2080/2080ti/3070/6800
Entusiast 3080/3090/6800xt/6900
Those are the tiers of performance and cost. In my book anyone that have a 2080 or above is high-end, that means play in high settings and frame-rate, the ability to play in 4k today is still considered Entusiast level.