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[hououinkyouma00]

I would say pretty important but don’t cancel your preorder because of your tv. Keep it and upgrade next year when you can.

Ideally you want HDMI 2.1 with 120hz and VRR and stuff but it’s not a ton of games are ever going to actually be 120 FPS.

 

[SirVoltus]

I don't think they address the blur controversy in that video.

see the comment section, the address it there..

 

[FrankWza]

I would say pretty important but don’t cancel your preorder because of your tv. Keep it and upgrade next year when you can.

Ideally you want HDMI 2.1 with 120hz and VRR and stuff but it’s not a ton of games are ever going to actually be 120 FPS.

we have COD and DMCVSE already @120fps. Plus dirt,r6 and a bunch of x backward compatible games all at launch. As the gen goes on it will be more and more common.

 

[DntMesArnd]

I decided to keep the xbox x, and get a new tv next year. Was thinking of going with the lower cost Sony X900h, but after reading about 120hz blur, and either 120 HD or Dolby vision, decided against it. Thinking these features are just too new for most of todays options.

I'm thinking next year at this time there will be more options at a better price.

 

[Vtecomega]

Been playing WD:L a lot lately and man, I have to say, HDR is a bigger game changer than even ray tracing - and it's not even close. Switching between SDR & HDR is like when I switch between taking my glasses off and having my glasses on. I wish I could show people the difference but I'm not even exaggerating - I would upgrade the TV over even the GPU (unless it's iGPU), and over anything else. It matters THAT much, and keep in mind you can easily get 10 years of life out of a good TV. So no reason to skimp!
Granted, the downside is that not every game is HDR, nor is the HDR always that good, but going forward - that's the future of gaming. Very few AAA titles coming out with no HDR support.

You don't need to go crazy, just a decent fald TV is enough to get a good grip on HDR, and then you can choose between bigger or better.

Which TV to buy? This one is easier than you think.
Avoid Samsung (gimped game mode - even in 8K TVs) & LG lcds (worst quality ever). Sony is a safe buy overall even though it might be missing a feature or two depending on the model - it's super reliable. LG oleds are the best for gaming atm offering the best package but they're more expensive and burn-in is real (that should factor into your costs/benefits analysis; it's not going to happen as soon as you turn it on, but you'll not get more than 14000 hours without damage, at best).

Jump off for HDMI 2.1? Sony X900H/XH90 (its main flaw is that at 4K 120hz the actual image resolution isn't what it's supposed to be, so it's softer than 4K 60). Best HDMI 2.1 TV? LG oleds, either this year or last year, both are fine (B, C, E, G etc; 9 or X = 2019 or 2020)
If you're not worried about HDMI 2.1 too much and just want good HDR with 4K 60, then there's a much wider selection available, including last year's models like Sony X950G, or previous years' even X900F. The TCL 6 series 2020 is also a decent jumping in point (avoid all the others, for various reasons). Avoid Hisense, it's awful and has big problems with QA. Avoid Vizio, also awful QA and quality.

Considering how good & cheap the Sony X900H is though, it's hard not to recommend it as a blanket recommendation. For people with extra to spend tho, an LG oled will be great. Besides that there's really nothing else worth buying with a gaming focus in mind.

Nah breh. I have a Hisense Q8 Aus model and it destroys the x900H in almost every aspect. The Sony x900h has input lag in the 31ms range while the Hisense is consistently below 15ms even in HDR mode. It does HDR way better than the Sony. Higher brightness, a better backlight system and better audio. The only thing lacking is HDMI 2.1 features but its a good compromise with input lag so low.

Honestly, only a handful of tv's out there compare.

 

[HTK]

Ok, so the Xbox X is on pre-order, and was planning on upgrading the TV to a 4K 120hz, probably OLED too.

Just got hit with some unplanned big expenses, and the wife is saying no tv......

I currently have a first gen 4K, without HDR (wasn't invented yet when I got it).

Still worth keeping the pre-order, or should I cancel (too lazy to sell it), and get one next year when I get a new tv?

Currently have and Xbox one x, and PS4 hooked up to it.

You lost me when you said, "wife is saying no tv". Good luck.

 

[nyr88nyg]

Yeah 2.1 is up to 120 FPS vrr. ALLM too I’m almost positive.


Yeah, I said this earlier in this thread. It’s a rare moment we’re in right now where so much tech has converged at a perfect time. If there were more/cheaper avr options with 2.1 it would be even more amazing

Then what does VRR do on current hdmi?

 

[Pimpbaa]

Ideally you want HDMI 2.1 with 120hz and VRR and stuff but it’s not a ton of games are ever going to actually be 120 FPS.

Yeah but with VRR, it can help with games that go as low as 40fps (or 48fps depending on the tv). I assume the game itself has to support it and allow unlocked framerates. It will be interesting for games that can't quite reach 60fps, but due to VRR the game can be almost as smooth looking. Something PC gamers have been enjoying for a few years with gsync and freesync.

 

[Rikkori]

Nah breh. I have a Hisense Q8 Aus model and it destroys the x900H in almost every aspect. The Sony x900h has input lag in the 31ms range while the Hisense is consistently below 15ms even in HDR mode. It does HDR way better than the Sony. Higher brightness, a better backlight system and better audio. The only thing lacking is HDMI 2.1 features but its a good compromise with input lag so low.

Honestly, only a handful of tv's out there compare.

 

[Vtecomega]

My mistake then. Is this the US model? I checked the specs for the Australia model and it was 31ms input lag with 60hz and 15ms with 120hz signal. What site is this from?

 

[martino]

easy

 

[Rikkori]

My mistake then. Is this the US model? I checked the specs for the Australia model and it was 31ms input lag with 60hz and 15ms with 120hz signal. What site is this from?

They're Canadian, but the models are the same throughout the world, at least for Sony. Difference being codename & bezels' colour. Where did you check input lag?

Sony X900H Review (XBR55X900H, XBR65X900H, XBR75X900H, XBR85X900H)

The Sony X900H, also sold as the X90CH at Costco, is a great 4k TV for nearly any type of content. It has a VA panel with an excellent contrast ratio and a full-...

www.rtings.com

 

[FrankWza]

Then what does VRR do on current hdmi?

on TVs that don’t support 120 it’s up to 60. VRR is within a range not a set number so, up to.

 

[Thirty7ven]

As always, just focus on image quality and input lag. You don't need a very expensive TV, or a cutting edge TV. If you don't have the spare money and you already have a 4K TV that did right by you, don't spend your energy worrying about FOMO.

Don't fall into the endless loop trap that many PC gamers fall into. The fact of the matter is that many times people pay a huge premium for very small gains, but because they spent so much money on them they will try and convince you the difference is huge.

 

[DntMesArnd]

You lost me when you said, "wife is saying no tv". Good luck.

Yeah, getting married is like moving back in with your parents, but with less privacy, and less control of what you do and when you do it....

 

[John Mullins]

I have a 1080P non-HDR plasma.

Is it really worth getting a PS5??

 

[FrankWza]

As always, just focus on image quality and input lag. You don't need a very expensive TV, or a cutting edge TV. If you don't have the spare money and you already have a 4K TV that did right by you, don't spend your energy worrying about FOMO.

Don't fall into the endless loop trap that many PC gamers fall into. The fact of the matter is that many times people pay a huge premium for very small gains, but because they spent so much money on them they will try and convince you the difference is huge.

I agree. But if you are planning on upgrading to 4K and you’re getting a next gen console, now is the perfect time.

 

[FrankWza]

I have a 1080P non-HDR plasma.

Is it really worth getting a PS5??

absolutely. But if you love your plasma and plan on upgrading down the road go oled. It’s a more natural transition for a plasma owner.

 

[meech]

Anyone have any opinions on the blurry Sony x900h controversy? That TV was always brought up as the best budget gaming TV.

Only simple looking games will ever have 4k and 120hz, so its most likely a non issue.

 

[Plantoid]

4k tv with 60hz and hdr support + good 2.1 sound system is more than enough for next gen

 

[JLB]

Yes.

 

[Moogle11]

I finally upgraded to 4K and HDR by replacing my lower end, old Samsung 55” with a 65” Sony X900h when Amazon had it for $998 last month. HDMI 2.1 features just got enabled in a firmware update a couple weeks back. Apparently 4K120 is messed up and blurry, but Sony has another update coming to fix that per posts on AVS Forum.

I personally don’t really care about 120fps as I mostly play AAA single player games that push graphics over frame rates and I’m not too fussy with frame rates as long as they’re stable anyway. Just figured I should grab something with HDMI 2.1 to be more future ready since I tend to keep my TVs a long time. I’m loving the TV after a month with it!

For me, upgrading to 4K and HDR was a must before getting a next gen console. So many of the first year or so games are cross gen that getting 4K and HDR at (hopefully) a smooth 60 FPS in those games is the main reason to upgrade. If it was staying at 1080p I’d just wait a while to get next gen consoles. The HDMI 2.2 stuff I don’t think is a must unless you play a ton of the types of games likely to prioritize 120fps. If not, and you already have 4K and hdr I’d give it a couple years for HDMI 2.1 to be the norm and to have more options for TVs, receivers etc.

Now I’m wishing I’d gotten preorders in which I’d skipped as I planned to shell out for TV this fall and grab consoles next year to spread out the expenses. However, I both got the tv cheaper and sooner than I thought and sold off my PSVR, SNES Classic, fight stick and some other things thst were gathering dust. With that and having been saving up reward points in my Amazon Visa I only ended up paying $70 or so out of pocket for the TV.

 

[FrankWza]

4k tv with 60hz and hdr support + good 2.1 sound system is more than enough for next gen

depends on the player and the games they favor. 120fps for people that like shooters, action games and racing sims is a great option. If you favor cinematic and will never miss it that’s ok too. And if you enjoy games across all genres, it doesn’t hurt to have all options covered

 

[nyr88nyg]

on TVs that don’t support 120 it’s up to 60. VRR is within a range not a set number so, up to.

My Q70R has native 120hz. So VRR will work for me then, right? As long as I’m not trying 4K 120hz.

 

[FrankWza]

My Q70R has native 120hz. So VRR will work for me then, right? As long as I’m not trying 4K 120hz.

Should work for fine at 1080p. Maybe even 1440p.

 

[Damigos]

Would it be acceptable to play PS5 on my 1080p LG 47'' from 2014 ?

 

[Garibaldi]

TV is far less important that a decent sound setup, yet people still play all these quality titles using low volume, shit bass driven tv speakers. Saying that I just switched to a LG CX and 4K HDR does look bloody good when it's dialled in and you get used to the retina searing brightness

 

[FrankWza]

TV is far less important that a decent sound setup, yet people still play all these quality titles using low volume, shit bass driven tv speakers. Saying that I just switched to a LG CX and 4K HDR does look bloody good when it's dialled in and you get used to the retina searing brightness

i love a good sound system as well, but I have to disagree. Especially this coming gen asSony has put 3D sound over everyone’s ears that owns a pair of headphones. A PS5 w Dualsense, an amazing TV and a good pair of headphones is gonna be amazing. But yes, TV speakers are ridiculous at this point when youhave so many options for sound even with space or cost limitations.

 

[Sealord of Braavos]

....I just switched to a LG CX...

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

I have a 4K60 HDR TV set and a 1440p144hz game monitor ... I hope I can use both in their maximum quality... The next generation should offer more resolution options ... I will be very frustrated if the PS5 doesn't have a 2k120 option ... I won't buy a new TV anytime soon.

 

[Garibaldi]

i love a good sound system as well, but I have to disagree. Especially this coming gen asSony has put 3D sound over everyone’s ears that owns a pair of headphones. A PS5 w Dualsense, an amazing TV and a good pair of headphones is gonna be amazing. But yes, TV speakers are ridiculous at this point when youhave so many options for sound even with space or cost limitations.

most people won't use a decent pair of headphones tho. They'll continue with the shit TV speakers or their crappy in ear phones at most. Sound is so important was the point I was trying to get across. The 3D audio Sony is pushing will be great.

 

[Murdoch]

You can pry my 1080p Panasonic Plasma out of my cold dead hands.

 

[Moogle11]

i love a good sound system as well, but I have to disagree. Especially this coming gen asSony has put 3D sound over everyone’s ears that owns a pair of headphones. A PS5 w Dualsense, an amazing TV and a good pair of headphones is gonna be amazing. But yes, TV speakers are ridiculous at this point when youhave so many options for sound even with space or cost limitations.

Agreed. I’ve never been an audio or video phone, but I definitely care way less about audio. I rarely even use my cheap 5.1 set up anymore and most use my Sony Gold Headphones. Easier to have the volume loud enough without bothering my wife who’s permanently work from home and works long hours in the room next to my office/mancave.

 

[makemehappyagain]

For those who say OLED burn in does not exist!........ What! I have had my eye on the Sony for some time now but from what Vincent says about the 4k 120Hz image blur has put me right off. The 3 TVs in question have put me off buying one at all. The LG is dimmer and still has image retention after a VERY short time.

Take a look...........

 

[FrankWza]

Agreed. I’ve never been an audio or video phone, but I definitely care way less about audio. I rarely even use my cheap 5.1 set up anymore and most use my Sony Gold Headphones. Easier to have the volume loud enough without bothering my wife who’s permanently work from home and works long hours in the room next to my office/mancave.

the thing about audio is, you can buy a good set of speakers or headphones and they will always be good. It’swhats driving them that changes for the most part. So you can invest in speakers and add as you need if you want to expand your zone and just swap out your avr or amp when technology changes. But having a 7.1.2 setup isn’t practical for everyone. That’s why I like what Sony is doing with the tempest audio chip. No matter your budget or you living space, you can afford a good set of headphones if you have a PS5. It can potentially give you an incredible sound experience for a minimalspace or time investment. All you have to do is plug it into your controller.

 

[Andodalf]

For those who say OLED burn in does not exist!........ What! I have had my eye on the Sony for some time now but from what Vincent says about the 4k 120Hz image blur has put me right off. The 3 TVs in question have put me off buying one at all. The LG is dimmer and still has image retention after a VERY short time.

Take a look...........

Lol Image retention is not burn in. You'd never notice that in real use cases and it has no long term impact

 

[ethomaz]

Very.

I mean you need at least one to play these consoles.

 

[Jadsey]

OLED burn in is a very real and very expensive mistake.

I suggest the Sony XH900/XH90.

Most impressive.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I'm thinking about buying 50" Samsung Q60T soon. It doesn't have HDMI 2.1 but I think it will be good enough for me. Does anyone here have it?

 

[Matt_Fox]

I'm thinking about buying 50" Samsung Q60T soon. It doesn't have HDMI 2.1 but I think it will be good enough for me. Does anyone here have it?

Good news, the Samsung 60T does have HDMI 2.1

However it's the lowest specced of the T range, and if you can hustle up a little more money then the 80T (which I have) is probably a better option because its full array lighting rather than edge lit - its got a gorgeously bright picture even in full daylight, none of this drawing curtains to watch the telly like you sometimes have to with an OLED.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Good news, the Samsung 60T does have HDMI 2.1

However it's the lowest specced of the T range, and if you can hustle up a little more money then the 80T (which I have) is probably a better option because its full array lighting rather than edge lit - its got a gorgeously bright picture even in full daylight, none of this drawing curtains to watch the telly like you sometimes have to with an OLED.

Q60T doesn't have HDMI 2.1:

Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED Review (QN43Q60TAFXZA, QN50Q60TAFXZA, QN55Q60TAFXZA, QN58Q60TAFXZA, QN65Q60TAFXZA, QN75Q60TAFXZA, QN82Q60TAFXZA, QN85Q60TAFXZA)

The Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED, also sold as the Samsung Q6DT at Costco and Sam's Club, is an entry-level 4k QLED from Samsung's 2020 lineup. It's a decent all-around...

www.rtings.com

I hope the price gets a bit lower on Black Friday.

 

[iJudged]

I just bought a 32" 4k HDR computer monitor to use with the PS5. Cheaper than a TV with equivalent features and I can't justify dumping my 50" 1080p plasma TV just yet.

which one, i am shopping. Does it have Freesync and 144hz on top of 4k and HDR? Is it DP 1.4?

 

[GamesAreFun]

I still have a 32" 720p TV, & when I originally bought the Xbox 360 I played on a 14" CRT

 

[Matt_Fox]

Q60T doesn't have HDMI 2.1:

Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED Review (QN43Q60TAFXZA, QN50Q60TAFXZA, QN55Q60TAFXZA, QN58Q60TAFXZA, QN65Q60TAFXZA, QN75Q60TAFXZA, QN82Q60TAFXZA, QN85Q60TAFXZA)

The Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED, also sold as the Samsung Q6DT at Costco and Sam's Club, is an entry-level 4k QLED from Samsung's 2020 lineup. It's a decent all-around...

www.rtings.com

Oh, the Techradar review says the 60T does have HDMI 2.1 (one of them's obviously wrong then!). Regardless, my advice still stands to spend a bit extra on the 80T.

Samsung Q60T QLED TV review

The Samsung Q60T is a decent budget QLED TV

www.techradar.com

 

[TheDude108]

which one, i am shopping. Does it have Freesync and 144hz on top of 4k and HDR? Is it DP 1.4?

I got the VX3211-4K-MHD. It doesn’t have 144hz but I’m not too bothered as I’m content with 60hz. It has FreeSync but I don’t think it’s DP 1.4. I got it off eBay for about £250, so I’m pretty happy with it until I get a proper 4K TV.

 

[Moogle11]

the thing about audio is, you can buy a good set of speakers or headphones and they will always be good. It’swhats driving them that changes for the most part. So you can invest in speakers and add as you need if you want to expand your zone and just swap out your avr or amp when technology changes. But having a 7.1.2 setup isn’t practical for everyone. That’s why I like what Sony is doing with the tempest audio chip. No matter your budget or you living space, you can afford a good set of headphones if you have a PS5. It can potentially give you an incredible sound experience for a minimalspace or time investment. All you have to do is plug it into your controller.

Yeah it's nice to have that option. I've never really been able to appreciate sound differences between average headphones and some higher end ones when I've tried friends. I can hear a difference, but nothing that made me want to shell out the money. Same with more expensive vs. mid range TVs etc. I can see a difference, but not being an A/V guy I don't care enough to spend the money as it just doesn't enhance my enjoyment enough personally.

That said, I may play around with wired headphones as I do have a Sony pair that is a tad better sounding than my PS Golds and I've been having issues with audio dropouts on my PS Gold V2's. Probably wifi interference as my router is ontop my TV stand behind the TV (keep it there so I can easily hardwire all my consoles). Odd though as I never had problems for years and my buddy in another state started having issues around the same time so I wonder if it was some firmware update that made things worse. We solved it in the mean time by just using USB extension cables to move the dongles close to us, but that gets old with having to pick the cord up so the robot vacuum doesn't eat it etc.

 

[iJudged]

I got the VX3211-4K-MHD. It doesn’t have 144hz but I’m not too bothered as I’m content with 60hz. It has FreeSync but I don’t think it’s DP 1.4. I got it off eBay for about £250, so I’m pretty happy with it until I get a proper 4K TV.

nice, i'll check it out, thanks

 

[makemehappyagain]

OLED burn in is a very real and very expensive mistake.

I suggest the Sony XH900/XH90.

Most impressive.

That is what I was going to get but have you seen the vid above when mentioning the blury 4k 120Hz image and Sony's response? It's put me right off.

 

[Jadsey]

That is what I was going to get but have you seen the vid above when mentioning the blury 4k 120Hz image and Sony's response? It's put me right off.

I hadn't but I just went and looked. Seems like its a PC 4k 120 problem....not an issue for me personally but I can see why it would put you off.

I rescind my recommendation!

 

[makemehappyagain]

I hadn't but I just went and looked. Seems like its a PC 4k 120 problem....not an issue for me personally but I can see why it would put you off.

I rescind my recommendation!

What makes you say it looks like a PC problem? I want it for console. He does use PC to test TVs just for different resolutions and stuff.