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[betrayal]

who do you think you are expecting new games to be its selling point for a new console? Seesh

If an SSD or Fast Switching is worth $400 - $500 to you, then ok. I still pre-ordered a PS5, but that doesn't change the fact that this console generation is the most unspectacular and boring...by far.

By the way, a new generation of consoles is there to give you new games and new experiences that were not possible before with the old generation. To play old games with shorter loading times or more FPS is not part of it for me.

Maybe for you, but BC is a big part of the Xbox ecosystem, where they want you to be able to bring your library with you. I'm pretty sure that next-gen I'll be playing a lot of games from this gen and even before. Good games, don't lose their enjoyable gameplay.

That is true, of course. If you like to play older games, it is great for you (as long as the reason is not the lack of good new games).But this is nothing special anymore, especially if you have a PC.

 

[kungfuian]

As a PC gamer it's hard to be impressed with what is essentially a feature we've enjoyed for forever. When I buy new hardware I expect my old games to look/perform better. It's cool and all, but also a bit underwhelming once the novelty wears off.

Call me old fashioned but what I really want is knock your socks off not previously possible exclusive games. Microsoft's hardware might be amazing, but until they release true next gen games, this just feels like a second mid-gen refresh imo.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

That is true, of course. If you like to play older games, it is great for you (as long as the reason is not the lack of good new games).But this is nothing special anymore, especially if you have a PC.

Indeed, PC has had this since forever. It's cool that consoles are following suit now. And new games will come, we'll just have to wait for 2021. Halo Infinite and maybe Starfield. Could be 2 very nice exclusives for Xbox.

 

[cudiye]

If an SSD or Fast Switching is worth $400 - $500 to you, then ok. I still pre-ordered a PS5, but that doesn't change the fact that this console generation is the most unspectacular and boring...by far.

By the way, a new generation of consoles is there to give you new games and new experiences that were not possible before with the old generation. To play old games with shorter loading times or more FPS is not part of it for me.




That is true, of course. If you like to play older games, it is great for you (as long as the reason is not the lack of good new games).But this is nothing special anymore, especially if you have a PC.

I was being sarcastic. I 100% agree with your previous point. Haha

 

[TLZ]

While it's cool, I'm disappointed some games aren't getting double the framerate improvement.

Also disappointed not all games are getting Auto-HDR.

 

[Tschumi]

So it plays old games smoothly.. mind=detonated

 

[betrayal]

I was being sarcastic. I 100% agree with your previous point. Haha

Oh well...it is still very early here.

 

[Phrixotrichus]

Oh really? How so? All Xbox emulation is done via a virtual machine on the Xbox OS form of Hyper V.

I question that you actually know what emulation is. Are you up for the challenge?

Hint: I've written software APIs and wrappers amongst many other types of software and do so professionally.

Let's start with what's the difference between a VM and a container?

I'll even give you a hint. I suspect MS is doing their hot new "quick resume" feature via containers.(Sony would have to license Docker or roll their own form of containers like MS does with Windows containers which is why I suspect Sony doesn't have a "quick resume" feature despite the superior, at least in terms of hardware solution and not MS' software optimizations on their solution, SSD....at least not yet for Sony)

Besides, do you even know what a Virtual Machine is or, let alone, what the word "virtual" means or implies in this respect? Maybe that explains your, well apparently, ignorance on this subject of emulation?

I´ve been a software architect myself for 15 years now and you talk incoherent nonsense, dear.
So please, if you would, keep your childish "how dare you not to pray to the plastic toy I pray to"-nonsense to yourself.
Thanks.

 

[Allandor]

Is there any test with starting BC games from external SSD xbox one x vs xbox series x?
Than we could see the difference in CPU-power. Well RAM also affects those loading speeds, but the main bottleneck should still be the CPU (for BC titles).

 

[Bryank75]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

 

[BootsLoader]

Isn't it always the case?

Didn’t really paid much attention until now.

 

[Dibils2k]

i wouldnt say "hugely impressive" as it does what i expected, which is great but One X had already set a great precedent for auto backwards compatibility boosts

 

[pawel86ck]

Maybe even going back, and at the least, updating older locked games with this option, so we can play stuff like Rise of the Tomb Raider at 60 FPS/4K.

Rise of the tomb raider is one of my favorite games on xbox one x, so I hope it will get XSX enhancement patch. But I have to say it's not easy to run this game at 4K 60fps maxed out. Assuming XSX has performance similar to RTX2080 game should run around 1800p 60fps maxed out, or maybe 4K 60fps but with VRS or some upscaling method.



Here's how Rise Of The Tomb Raider runs on 5700XT at 1440p, around 60fps, and 4K require 2x GPU power.

 

[RoboFu]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

According to the MS site it’s over 500 Xbox/360 BC games not counting Xbox one games.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

In the video of the thread you're replying to, Richard confirms it's 1000+

 

[pawel86ck]

GTA4 would really benefit from 4K patch, because game looks like a blurry mess on X360 because of very strong (and ugly) DOF.

 

[Allandor]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

for the preview only 500 games are enabled right now. For release all games (that are playable on xbox one minus Kinect only games) will be available.

 

[UnNamed]

Don't remember: X360 games on XSS at 1080p or 1440p? And XONE games at 1080p?

 

[TLZ]

Also, quick resume load times are much longer here. They're taking around 12s compared to the 6s we saw before. I wonder why?

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

No. All Xbox One games will work, and then the Xbox/360 games that were available for Xbox One will also work. It was only for the preview for media that 500 games were available.

 

[azz0r]

If an SSD or Fast Switching is worth $400 - $500 to you, then ok. I still pre-ordered a PS5, but that doesn't change the fact that this console generation is the most unspectacular and boring...by far.Right,

Right because the previous generations of the emotion engine, water physics, console cameras and 1080 and 4k support were so exciting.

We are getting significantly reduced load times, ray tracing, quick resuming and other cutting edge tech this generation and thats "unspectacular and boring" to you?

 

[betrayal]

We are getting significantly reduced load times, ray tracing, quick resuming and other cutting edge tech this generation and thats "unspectacular and boring" to you?

This is, at least for me, the very definition of "unspectacular and boring".

Even Ray Tracing makes a rather unspectacular impression in many games and stands in no relation to performance vs. visuals.

 

[Soodanim]

As someone who says "PC is where games go to live forever", this inclusion by MS is impressive. If I were a bigger fan of their controllers and exclusives I'd be quite interested in their product. Xbox fans will surely enjoy this.

Publishers should also enjoy the increased tail end sales of their products, given that they're given a boost from this (even if only slightly, sales are still sales).

 

[Yumi]

Dream come true for me. Reminds me of upgrading my video card as a kid/teenager. While id love to game on a P.C. it makes less sense with a family and limited space/time.

I understand it's not a big deal for some, maybe most people. But I'm a stickler for performance and love going back to old games for better performance. Especially high movement games like action games.

Having a huge library to try and play games is also great with kids cause you dont have to commit money to game they might not like

 

[Hostile_18]

Looks very promising. Its a great point someone made that without patches recent games will run better/higher res on XBSX because the XB1X SKU is emulated and that has higher resolution caps than the Pro versions in most cases I.e Red Dead 2.

I guess it's also worth noting the bigger games that weren't shown might be ones more likely to be getting specific patches.

I wonder if either the XBSX or PS5 BC titles get a patch it may make it more likely the competing format will also get one.

 

[FreedomOfSpeech]

So basically he says that with 60 fps life is a lot better.. coulda told you that...

 

[Physiognomonics]

Also, quick resume load times are much longer here. They're taking around 12s compared to the 6s we saw before. I wonder why?

Because before they mostly showed indies games?

 

[genesisblock]

Ok, this is an amazing plus for the series X. The PS5 better show similar experiences at least for exclusives.

 

[Woody337]

Ok, this is an amazing plus for the series X. The PS5 better show similar experiences at least for exclusives.

Dont worry, they wont.

 

[semicool]

I´ve been a software architect myself for 15 years now and you talk incoherent nonsense, dear.
So please, if you would, keep your childish "how dare you not to pray to the plastic toy I pray to"-nonsense to yourself.
Thanks.

Go ahead and point out ANY nonsense about Xbox BC that I wrote, "architect"? Go ahead and point out how BC on Xbox is not emulation(I'm ready to reference many Xbox BC articles and quotes btw) And go ahead and answer my simple question of VMs vs containers.....if you really are a software architect, you would know the answer or be able to answer that.

#majordoubt

Phrixotrichus, you claiming to be a software architect is hilarious. It reminds me of the "reservation" Seinfeld episode expect for "reservation" you claim to be a software architect.....From what you've written in your posts, I don't think you even know what being a software architect means, which I do as I worked, as a senior software engineer, with many, many of them, let alone doubt that you actually are one, "Anyone can just (claim to be) one!" The only thing that would be more funny, is that somehow you actually are, but you don't know what you're talking about in regards to emulation on the Xbox or emulation in general. #sad

 

[azz0r]

This is, at least for me, the very definition of "unspectacular and boring".

Even Ray Tracing makes a rather unspectacular impression in many games and stands in no relation to performance vs. visuals.

Pretty sure I could go back to forums when shaders or global illumination were first introduced and find the same response.

 

[Allandor]

Also, quick resume load times are much longer here. They're taking around 12s compared to the 6s we saw before. I wonder why?

It just depends how big the memory footprint of the game is. E.g. old xbox games should have a much lower footprint than current gen games. Most indi games also should have much lower footprints. Games that are not x-enhanced only use ~5GB and so on. It just depends on those things.
1. The current game must get saved
2. The new game must get read into memory

 

[yurinka]

I like what I’m seeing. If only 30fps locked games could be forced into 60, would be ideal.

Yes. And even more to the 120fps MS mentioned before. 120fps that I didn't see in the games shown in these videos.

I dont know...this focus on backwards compatibility, fast switching and SSD is just stupid for a next gen console. This applies to the Xbox Series X as well as the PS5. At the end of the day it's all about the games, everything else is just features that are Nice-To-Have, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. This hardcore marketing of these features that are unimportant for many is questionable.

I think MS focuses their marketing on BC because during the first years won't have big next gen only exclusives. They will rely on BC, multis, indies and crossgen games. Hellblade 2, the next Forza, State of Decay 3, Fable, Everwild or Avowed doesn't seem to be crossgen looking at their websites or recent trailers, so should be released later than November 2022 or so because MS said all their Series X games would be crossgen for the first 2 years.

Sony instead focused their marketing on the big games they will have for the first year or so, many of them being (at least timed) exclusive for their consoles: Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, Destruction AllStars, Godfall, Sackboy, Ratchet & Clank, Horizon 2, Returnal, GoW all are announced to be released in the first year plus several 3rd party big AAA timed exclusives or marketing deals. Gran Turismo 7 doesn't have date but wouldn't be rare to see it in 2021 too.

 

[scydrex]

Going with the PS5 but is nice to see this. I hope at least with the PS5 we get a nice BC with the PS4. I still have some PS4 games to play. Let's see how the S does in BC.

 

[TigerKnee]

I dont know...this focus on backwards compatibility, fast switching and SSD is just stupid for a next gen console.

I don't necessarily agree with you on these points being "stupid" but I understand why you would think these are underwhelming. This next generation may disappoint you as we're getting to the point now where hardware has caught up with talent. Look at TLOU2, FH4 and Gears 5. They look beautiful already and the only HUGE gains I can see next gen are going to be frame rate. I'd temper your expectations for next gen as you may be disappointed.

That said, fast switching and SSD are a big leap next gen. BC is a good feature for me as current gen games bumped up by next gen's features (to me) will modernize my library.

 

[TLZ]

Because before they mostly showed indies games?

I don't think that's the reason. I saw another video, I think it was Jeff Grubb's, showing a variety of games, and the loads varied from 6s-14s.

 

[Phrixotrichus]

Go ahead and point out ANY nonsense about Xbox BC that I wrote, "architect"? Go ahead and point out how BC on Xbox is not emulation(I'm ready to reference many Xbox BC articles and quotes btw) And go ahead and answer my simple question of VMs vs containers.....if you really are a software architect, you would know the answer or be able to answer that.

#majordoubt

Phrixotrichus, you claiming to be a software architect is hilarious. It reminds me of the "reservation" Seinfeld episode expect for "reservation" you claim to be a software architect.....From what you've written in your posts, I don't think you even know what being a software architect means, which I do as I worked, as a senior software engineer, with many, many of them, let alone doubt that you actually are one, "Anyone can just (claim to be) one!" The only thing that would be more funny, is that somehow you actually are, but you don't know what you're talking about in regards to emulation on the Xbox or emulation in general. #sad

You can continue your childish nonsense on my ignore list, mr. 12 year old "professional" who talks in memes as "adults" toootally tend to do.....
Do your thing, buddy.

 

[semicool]

You can continue your childish nonsense on my ignore list, mr. 12 year old "professional" who talks in memes as "adults" toootally tend to do.....
Do your thing, buddy.

Thank you.

 

[skneogaf]

I absolutely do hope Sony will get their developers to unlock frame rate on their 1440p games like God of war and the last of us 2 as I'm all for higher fps.

It was great to play god of war at 1080p 60fps and the last of us 1 at 1080p 60fps on the ps4pro so better resolution will be great.

 

[Shmunter]

I absolutely do hope Sony will get their developers to unlock frame rate on their 1440p games like God of war and the last of us 2 as I'm all for higher fps.

It was great to play god of war at 1080p 60fps and the last of us 1 at 1080p 60fps on the ps4pro so better resolution will be great.

God Of War already has you covered

Last of Us 2 releasing post July is likely ready for 60fps in some way I bet.

 

[Mr Hyde]

Watched this video now and was mighty impressed. Microsoft seems to have delivered solid BC support for Series X. Lots of great titles getting a noticeable upgrade.

 

[pawel86ck]

I absolutely do hope Sony will get their developers to unlock frame rate on their 1440p games like God of war and the last of us 2 as I'm all for higher fps.

It was great to play god of war at 1080p 60fps and the last of us 1 at 1080p 60fps on the ps4pro so better resolution will be great.

Werent TLOU1 running at 60fps even on original PS4?

 

[REDRZA MWS]

God Of War already has you covered

Last of Us 2 releasing post July is likely ready for 60fps in some way I bet.

Link? I haven’t seen anything about God of War running at 60fps on ps5. If this is true I’m hoping all PS4 games get a noticeable boost. Especially MLB 20 the Show

 

[Panajev2001a]

You can continue your childish nonsense on my ignore list, mr. 12 year old "professional" who talks in memes as "adults" toootally tend to do.....
Do your thing, buddy.

Hey, despite you must be pissed off about it, it is worth reading a bit of back and forth with details for others in the thread and as future reference. I get why people may use ignore lists, but I would think it is best to let the discussion progress if you are willing to write lengthier pieces with your perspective on it too.

 

[FireFly]

Oh okay, you had reading fail then. It says more than that and does elaborate on "compatibility mode".....which implications should be more obvious to you. It mentions like not using RDNA2 architecture and that it emulates last gen Xbox one. Let me assist you:

"this is the GPU running in compatibility mode, where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox - you aren't seeing the architectural improvements to performance from RDNA 2, which Microsoft says is 25 per cent to the better, teraflop to teraflop. And obviously, these games are not coded for RDNA 2 or Series X, meaning that access to the actual next-gen features like variable rate shading or mesh shaders simply does not exist."

And "where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox" ....so what was last gen GPU architecture called again that this is emulating?

Thanks. I did miss that wording in the article.

 

[nemiroff]

I dont know...this focus on backwards compatibility, fast switching and SSD is just stupid for a next gen console. This applies to the Xbox Series X as well as the PS5. At the end of the day it's all about the games, everything else is just features that are Nice-To-Have, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. This hardcore marketing of these features that are unimportant for many is questionable.

Wat, BC means A LOT to me, and I'm surely not the only one. My son and I have a library of favorite games that we want to keep playing together. I'm not going to have a lot of consoles lying around in the lounge room, so without BC there would be no new console for at least a few years more. Now I can just toss the old one out and keep playing the games, and even improved so. Halo MCC f.ex. is quite bad in splitscreen, the framerate is atrocious. With the new BC I and my son will be able to play it together with a silky-smooth framerate.

 

[gamechanger87]

Is it true what the woman said in the video about not all games working? I think she said 500 or something like that...
Is that right or was it proven wrong?

When they first got the consoles, only 500 were available. Over the weekend they made 500 more available.

We should expect all will be available as they have previously discussed. They are likely white listing games based on review of the auto-HDR output. I would not take preview access as the actual list.

MS will have all games other than Kinect available as they have previously stated.

 

[semicool]

Hey, despite you must be pissed off about it, it is worth reading a bit of back and forth with details for others in the thread and as future reference. I get why people may use ignore lists, but I would think it is best to let the discussion progress if you are willing to write lengthier pieces with your perspective on it too.

He, Phrixotrichus, offered no details or information to the conversation just claims of others being wrong about Xbox emulation(or more specifically that it wasn't emulation) and claiming others were spouting nonsense without pointing out how or in what way they were wrong or the correction information. Also while making unsubstantiated claims of being a software architect without backing that up with knowledgeable information. When I asked him to please elaborate or discussed how so or in what way or to provide details or information, he ignored the request and only proceeded to provide more insults.

I would have taken his claim of being a architect at face value if he would have provided some form of insight and info, in fact, it would have been appreciated, but alas....nothing of the kind.

I don't even care really if he made that up, along as he would provide useful info instead of just insults and generalized criticisms and claims without any elaboration as to why or how so. Saying that another is wrong without explanation other to say, you just are and I'm an expert does nothing for this conversation.

 

[Shmunter]

Link? I haven’t seen anything about God of War running at 60fps on ps5. If this is true I’m hoping all PS4 games get a noticeable boost. Especially MLB 20 the Show

Think I misread the original post. God of War unlocked is 1080p

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

In the video of the thread you're replying to, Richard confirms it's 1000+

Accross all previous platforms?