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Forbes: Microsoft’s Plans For Bethesda On Xbox Series X Seem More Clear Now



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"My immediate reaction was that Microsoft probably wouldn’t make Bethesda games Xbox exclusive going forward. Why? A few reasons:

  • They’d still make a killing as a publisher selling dozens of millions of copies of future Bethesda games on PlayStation.
  • They still boast a big advantage offering them for “free” as part of Game Pass while Sony would charge $60-70 at launch.
  • Phil Spencer has previously spoken about disliking exclusives and the whole “us versus Sony” console war concept, and they want to expand gaming across multiple platforms.
  • They paid $2.5 billion for Minecraft, and did not end up restricting that game from being on PlayStation.

And yet, the more I think about this and the more information comes out, the more I believe that yeah, Microsoft probably is going to make most, if not all future Bethesda games Xbox/PC/Game Pass/xCloud exclusive.

Next, you don’t really spend $7.5 billion on a publisher just to only put their games on Game Pass and not make them fully exclusive. If they wanted to do that kind of deal, they probably could have without purchasing Bethesda outright. There were rumblings before this that Microsoft was looking to buy Bungie, but instead of doing that (for $1-2 billion or whatever that might have cost) they managed to land a Game Pass deal where future content (at least old expansions and Beyond Light) is launching on Game Pass. So why would an outright purchase of an entire company (literally the biggest developer acquisition in gaming history) have the same type of Game Pass launch idea without exclusivity?


Also this week, Amazon announced its new Luna cloud gaming service that is going to offer things like publisher specific channels, for instance an Ubisoft subscription through Luna that gets you X amount of Ubisoft games for one fee. So with this purchase, Microsoft isn’t just fighting against Sony, they’re pre-emptively doing battle with the likes of Google and Amazon and these rival cloud services. Now that Microsoft owns Bethesda, there is a roughly zero percent chance that you would ever see a “Bethesda channel” on Luna, as Microsoft will keep that just for Game Pass and xCloud. They’ve already done a deal with EA Access too, which should keep that out of reach for Amazon. They’re starving out future competition before they really even become competition.

Finally, I just have really never believed Microsoft when they talk about how there’s no real rivalry between them and Sony and no console war and that’s all dumb and pointless. While the fanboy flame wars may indeed be dumb and pointless, Microsoft is still fundamentally a business, and they want Xbox to be the global leader in gaming. One the biggest things working against Xbox when stacked up against rivals like Nintendo and Sony? A lack of exclusives. And you really don’t buy yourself an immediately solution for that problem for $7.5 billion and not take advantage of it.


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So MS are trying to battle Amazon, Google while trying to keep Sony and Nintendo in check?

Sounds to me like trying to fight too many battles. This could be a potential problem. Spraeding your resources like that needs alot of time and investment. MS 1st parties are still relatively new and it could take years for them to get to the level of Sony and Nintendo. Also you have GamePass that they are trying to grow. How sustainable is having them put their AAA titles on GamePass for a dollar ?

When do we get to a point where the prices gets jacked up because AAA games are not cheap to produce.
 

Hendrick's

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So MS are trying to battle Amazon, Google while trying to keep Sony and Nintendo in check?

Sounds to me like trying to fight too many battles. This could be a potential problem. Spraeding your resources like that needs alot of time and investment. MS 1st parties are still relatively new and it could take years for them to get to the level of Sony and Nintendo. Also you have GamePass that they are trying to grow. How sustainable is having them put their AAA titles on GamePass for a dollar ?

When do we get to a point where the prices gets jacked up because AAA games are not cheap to produce.
While I'm sure MS appreciates your concern, they still won't be releasing their games on PS.
 

Edgelord79

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So MS are trying to battle Amazon, Google while trying to keep Sony and Nintendo in check?

No. Sony and Nintendo run hardware based businesses that live and die by the hardware they sell and first party exclusives. Microsoft is a software company that wants to run a games service (which will most likely be on a Nintendo platform in the future). While they both are in the game space, Microsoft does not compete at the same level. They don't even need strong exclusives to compete as shown by this last generation and game pass initial success. It's comparing apples and oranges based on the fact that they are in the same bowl. Microsoft is trying to keep Amazon and Google from entering the game space, they don't care about Sony and Nintendo. Most Microsoft investors who actually read any analysis with respect to the their xbox division have known this for the last couple of years now.
 
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teezzy

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So MS are trying to battle Amazon, Google while trying to keep Sony and Nintendo in check?

Sounds to me like trying to fight too many battles. This could be a potential problem. Spraeding your resources like that needs alot of time and investment. MS 1st parties are still relatively new and it could take years for them to get to the level of Sony and Nintendo. Also you have GamePass that they are trying to grow. How sustainable is having them put their AAA titles on GamePass for a dollar ?

When do we get to a point where the prices gets jacked up because AAA games are not cheap to produce.

At the risk of splitting hairs, I think the idea is that they want all of those companies to be the ones trying to keep up with them. Microsoft is putting their Game Pass and xCloud services first, while also making their own competent hardware to back up those services as well. It's a bold strategy, but also very smart. They may not have won the console wars against Sony or Nintendo, but their console knowledge is more than enough to supply proper machines to support their services moving forward. This is something which both Amazon and Google are likely to drop the ball on if they attempted it, or theyd have to partner up with someone else. That's my take, at least.
 
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TeKtheSanE

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I still remember waking up and seeing the twitter notification of Xbox and Bethesda have partnered up! (AKA Xbox bought Zenimax) And I thought to myself two things,
1. Well that's a power play if I have ever seen one
2. This is going to irritate and baffle Sony-only gamers when these games go exclusive.

I'm not sure how you could even make the claim that these games weren't going to become Xbox Ecosystem exclusives.
 
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martino

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Anyone who says they know for certain if future Bethesda games will be multi-platform or not is lying. I doubt even MS is fully sure how they will handle this and will be based on a bunch of current unknown factors.
This. the case by case claim is also a context per context one imo
xbox hardware doing more or less well will weight a lot in the decision for example (or number of gamepass subscription at that point)
 
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This. the case by case claim is also a context per context one imo
xbox hardware doing more or less well will weight a lot in the decision too.

It's funny how people are suddenly taking Microsoft PR at face value. I somehow doubt that would be the case if this Zenimax acquisition never went down.

Let me tell you what "case by case" means - it means "no these games are not going to the fucking Playstation lol why would you even ask that".
 
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Reindeer

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Why do people think that Microsoft will publish Bethesda games on PS5 even though they haven't done so with any of their other major titles this gen? Why would Bethesda games suddenly be an exception to this? Microsoft spent a ton on buying many other devs and you don't see them publishing games by these studios on PlayStation (except deals that were already in place).
 
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I think the future of Bethesda games on ps5 and nintendo will be ports and remasters. Stuff that is already multiplat, requires minimal effort and draws attention to future installments only available on Xbox.

It really baffles me why this is such a big deal. You are willing to buy 70 dollar games but a 300 dollar xbox and a subscription you can cancel whenever you want is where you draw the line?
 

Kokoloko85

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As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit
 
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Bryank75

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So MS are trying to battle Amazon, Google while trying to keep Sony and Nintendo in check?

Sounds to me like trying to fight too many battles. This could be a potential problem. Spraeding your resources like that needs alot of time and investment. MS 1st parties are still relatively new and it could take years for them to get to the level of Sony and Nintendo. Also you have GamePass that they are trying to grow. How sustainable is having them put their AAA titles on GamePass for a dollar ?

When do we get to a point where the prices gets jacked up because AAA games are not cheap to produce.
They are in the exact same position that Hitler put himself in in 1945.
 
Why do people think that Microsoft would publish Bethesda games on PS5 even though they haven't done so with any of their other major titles this gen? Why would Bethesda games suddenly be exception to this? Microsoft spent a ton on buying many other devs and you don't see them publishing games by these studios on PlayStation (except deals that were already in place).

And if you think about it, MS and Bethesda and all the other studios would have to set up cost-sink resources specifically for porting to Playstation. And then pay Sony for the privilege. Why the hell would they do that after just spending 7.5 BILLION DOLLARS. It makes no sense at all. Satya would be flayed alive.
 

Kokoloko85

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They just dropped 7.5 bil. on the gaming division...don’t think that’s an issue lol.

Yeah company Boards want profit. There are other members who don’t like that there department’s profit being used to fund video games that don’t bring much back compared to the other sections of MS. They are money hungry lol. This has been brought up at the start of the generation last time.
I think the person who got more decision making power is a big supporter of Xbox and Phil, but there are still other board members who dont feel the same
 
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martino

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As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit
it's because you're forgetting all xbox and pc sales 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️
 

Bryank75

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As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit
Benji thinks they will aim to have over 30 studios. I think he said 32.

If every game is AAA, that is about 4-5 billion to fund those games and GamePass is not going to recoup that.

If things do not take off, this is not sustainable for long.
 
As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit

I think its become an strategic obssession to succeed here. They're already 7.5B down, and if you look at their numbers for that division yearly, it will take a lot of years to recoup that money. That's on top of what they were already losing on Gamepass, on top of what they lost acquiring the other independent studios. I think it goes beyond profit and more a national thing of not wanting Asian companies to dominate this area, specially with the rise of Tencent and Netease. Then you Google and Amazon being cloud competitors (thus the perfect reason to stay) just waiting for the "eventual" transition into cloud and subscription services. The problem for them is, it's pretty slow to get there, much slower than they would like (thank god for that) and they're bleeding throughout that slow process - unlike Sony or Nintendo.
 
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JohnnyFootball

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I think the smarter move would be to make them available on Gamepass and then release them as full price titles on Playstation and Nintendo. Maybe give a 6 month windows, but if they sell 2M on a PS console that's 100M of revenue.
 

Reindeer

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And if you think about it, MS and Bethesda and all the other studios would have to set up cost-sink resources specifically for porting to Playstation. And then pay Sony for the privilege. Why the hell would they do that after just spending 7.5 BILLION DOLLARS. It makes no sense at all. Satya would be flayed alive.
It's development cost along with having to pay 30% to Sony. I think Microsoft will just publish games on PC and Xbox and would look to gain their lost PS5 sales by gaining more GamePass subscribers. I see no reason for Microsoft to make an exception for Bethesda games when it comes to publishing on PS5. Microsoft would likely gain more in the end by making people come to their platforms to play these games.
 
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As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit
since you ask, microsoft is pouring billions per year into gamepass alone.
this is not a short-term gig. you will understand better as time passes.
 
As alwatys, Im interested to see how MS is gonna fund 24 plus companies with Gamepass funds when they’ve said its not making much profit.
And yes Im know they have tons of cash, but investors and board members want profit
I can't see this as a profitable business either. They have to pay developers out of that monthly subscription too.

Maybe we will be paying $30 month in a few years...
 

Three

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Frankly I couldn't care less about their plans until they actually say a game is coming out this holiday on x, y, z.

Anything else is just the same as the bullshit that has happened this entire gen on xbox one "Give it time" , "hope", "future investment". I'm not going to invest in hardware based on speculation and hope, not that I need to anyway if their strategy remains as is and PC is supported.
 
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