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[S0ULZB0URNE]

"32 zones is 32 zones is 32 zones." 5:50

"The X1 ultimate chipset" 11:50

"features such as smooth gradation missing." 7:50

Continue your knuckle dragging about your inferior Lcd. You can see how horrible the blooming is in the zone test (yes I realize it's overexposed by the camera, but contrast it to the 900e test and it's far far worse) And the 900h shouldn't have Teh FaSTest chip when it's a budget option, but you think it does for some reason.

Now excuse me while I enjoy bloomless perfect blacks, great uniformity and near instant response time on my sony oled. You've been buried.

Input lag is greatly increased with processing like Smooth Gradation enabled. So for gaming it doesn't matter and would hurt things.

For those who want the hq out of movies etc it is not recommended by the same Vincent you posted.

It actually does have the fastest chip available in a TV.
You continue to be ill informed and clueless.

I'll continue to enjoy burn in free HDMI 2.1 enabled gaming with lower input lag,brighter picture and drum roll... 120fps gaming vs your dated Sony OLED.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Ive been doing some research on 2020 tv models and want some feed back on what the best one could be Im aiming to a tv at least 75 inches wide and that has hdmi 2.1. Im purposely avoiding OLED because of Burn in and am only looking for 4K, no 8K. Ive narrowed it down to 3 choices:

The Sony X900H; Sounds like a fantastic tv but the HDMI 2.1 updates will be available through a firmware update and that is kind of concerning to me.

The LG Nanocell 90: Has HDMI 2.1 already but reviews say the black colors do not look good in the dark, which may present a problem since i like to game and watch movies in the dark

Samsung Q90T: Good reviews, a little more pricey than the other 2 and ive read it doesnt support true HDMI 2.1?


Any suggestions?

Sony X900H or Samsung Q90T. But Samsung tends to have shit HDR and image quality in game mode, so better check that out.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Sony BRAVIA VH1 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for a Sony BRAVIA VH1 with an ARM MT5895 processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Theirs a reason only one Sony TV has the full feature set of HDMI 2.1.

 

[StateofMajora]

Input lag is greatly increased with processing like Smooth Gradation enabled. So for gaming it doesn't matter and would hurt things.

For those who want the hq out of movies etc it is not recommended by the same Vincent you posted.

It actually does have the fastest chip available in a TV.
You continue to be ill informed and clueless.

I'll continue to enjoy burn in free HDMI 2.1 enabled gaming with lower input lag,brighter picture and drum roll... 120fps gaming vs your dated Sony OLED.

I wouldn't call it a great increase but it's noticeable. This is a bad faith argument so further posts are for posterity.

You wouldn't use smooth gradation in devil may cry or competitive multiplayer, but a game with low bit depth such as the witcher 3 on switch ; it greatly reduces banding in the sky and there isn't significant fine detail loss due to low resolution. Fast input isn't too necessary, however the input is fast enough even with SG turned on.

That's not what he says, he says purists may want to turn it off because even on low it scrubs away a bit of fine detail. But it's not meant for blu rays or 4k games with high bit depth, it's for the other direction. But you're over here saying options are useless.

According to Vincent, the a8h and 900h have identical input lag.

It doesn't, i've proven it with vincents comments about x1 ultimate vs. the *new* x1 and you've offered 0 links or otherwise. 11:50 timestamp.

Finally, even the x900e supports native 1080p120hz and so does the oled. We'll see how those *native* 4k120hz games turn out on your downgraded x900e when they actually decide to firmware update 4k120 support the 900h. If I want it, I have 120hz gaming on my oled.

Personally I want 4k60 native rather than 1440p/1080 120hz on the ps5, but yeah definitely i'd love hdmi 2.1. I just won't sacrifice picture quality for a feature that won't be widely supported and that's putting it mildly.

 

[MR ARCADE FOREVER]

Dam, people are taking TV wars seriously in this thread lol

 

[Vasto]

TCL 625 for value / OLED for quality

Still waiting for Vizio OLED / PQX reviews to see how that Pro Gaming Engine stacks up.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I wouldn't call it a great increase but it's noticeable. This is a bad faith argument so further posts are for posterity.

You wouldn't use smooth gradation in devil may cry or competitive multiplayer, but a game with low bit depth such as the witcher 3 on switch ; it greatly reduces banding in the sky and there isn't significant fine detail loss due to low resolution. Fast input isn't too necessary, however the input is fast enough even with SG turned on.

That's not what he says, he says purists may want to turn it off because even on low it scrubs away a bit of fine detail. But it's not meant for blu rays or 4k games with high bit depth, it's for the other direction. But you're over here saying options are useless.

According to Vincent, the a8h and 900h have identical input lag.

It doesn't, i've proven it with vincents comments about x1 ultimate vs. the *new* x1 and you've offered 0 links or otherwise. 11:50 timestamp.

Finally, even the x900e supports native 1080p120hz and so does the oled. We'll see how those *native* 4k120hz games turn out on your downgraded x900e when they actually decide to firmware update 4k120 support the 900h. If I want it, I have 120hz gaming on my oled.

Personally I want 4k60 native rather than 1440p/1080 120hz on the ps5, but yeah definitely i'd love hdmi 2.1. I just won't sacrifice picture quality for a feature that won't be widely supported and that's putting it mildly.

I don't notice any banding on any of my games on any of my TV's so I don't use the input lag increasing Smooth Gradation.
Lower quality TV content I use it on my Z9D for bad quality content but yeah it's a non factor for the most part especially when it comes to gaming(hence this thread)

Vincent is a amazing personality but hes not perfect.
Every input lag test outside of his review of both TV's has the X900H about 14-15 ms and the A8H at about 18-19 ms.
Plus still no 4K/120 on the A8H which brings it even lower on the X900H

You showed nothing and i can easily shred the questionable Video you posted by posting videos that show lower input lag than what hes claiming.

Let me know if you want the videos k?

I posted the next gen chipset the X900H uses.

 

[Zheph]

Input lag is greatly increased with processing like Smooth Gradation enabled. So for gaming it doesn't matter and would hurt things.

For those who want the hq out of movies etc it is not recommended by the same Vincent you posted.

It actually does have the fastest chip available in a TV.
You continue to be ill informed and clueless.

I'll continue to enjoy burn in free HDMI 2.1 enabled gaming with lower input lag,brighter picture and drum roll... 120fps gaming vs your dated Sony OLED.

Just got mine and its a tremendous TV, so happy with it for a "bargain" price

 

[Rikkori]

How good is the Samsung Q80t Series? I am interested in the 55 inch Version.

Absolutely avoid it like the plague. Once you put it into game mode the picture quality takes a nose dive.
Similar to what happens with the Q90R here:

Input lag is greatly increased with processing like Smooth Gradation enabled. So for gaming it doesn't matter and would hurt things.

This is not true, input lag doesn't increase with smooth gradation. In fact, even enabling x-motion clarity doesn't increase the lag. Talking about game mode (which disables smoothness, which would increase it). And it does help with games, in particular I was very thankful for it when playing The Witcher 3.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

When it comes to TV, I have an easy advice: buy the best Sony you can afford.

Others might disagree.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Absolutely avoid it like the plague. Once you put it into game mode the picture quality takes a nose dive.
Similar to what happens with the Q90R here:



This is not true, input lag doesn't increase with smooth gradation. In fact, even enabling x-motion clarity doesn't increase the lag. Talking about game mode (which disables smoothness, which would increase it). And it does help with games, in particular I was very thankful for it when playing The Witcher 3.

Any processing adds input lag....SG,Live Color etc.
Sucks I know as I am a huge fan of Sony's Live Color with my games.

 

[Rikkori]

Any processing adds input lag....SG,Live Color etc.
Sucks I know as I am a huge fan of Sony's Live Color with my games.

Last I checked this wasn't true, but I'm not going to chase it down again. If you have evidence of this, for Sony sets since 2016, I'll be happy to accept it.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Last I checked this wasn't true, but I'm not going to chase it down again. If you have evidence of this, for Sony sets since 2016, I'll be happy to accept it.

Do your research you will see.
The default settings of Game Mode has these things disabled for a reason.

 

[Rikkori]

Do your research you will see.
The default settings of Game Mode has these things disabled for a reason.

I accept your surrender.

 

[StateofMajora]

I accept your surrender.

I have switched back and forth between SG on and off on 3 post 2017 Sony’s and it definitely adds a bit of lag, but it was not much. It helps tremendously on low bit rate games with banding in the sky and other solid colors.

the guy we are quoting is a tool.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I accept your surrender.

I made the statement if you don't agree prove it wrong.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I have switched back and forth between SG on and off on 3 post 2017 Sony’s and it definitely adds a bit of lag, but it was not much. It helps tremendously on low bit rate games with banding in the sky and other solid colors.

the guy we are quoting is a tool.

Do you have links stating the lag isn't much or are you going to continue spouting nonsense?

 

[StateofMajora]

Do you have links stating the lag isn't much or are you going to continue spouting nonsense?

I'll do you one better. I ordered a 4k lag testing tool from the UK and I will be sure to let you know of my findings. I only have an x900e and A8h lying around but I can grab a 900h to test.

And no, I didn't buy it for you lol.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Burn in on LG OLEDs is not a problem. I’ve got thousands of hours of games, mainly pubg, on mine and not a hint of burn in.

They’re the best tvs on the market. If you want the best tv for gaming you want a lg oled.

 

[blastprocessor]

I have the LG C8 65" Last of Us 2 with HDR was gorgeous just gorgeous.

I'd like to go LG OLED 77" in 2021/22.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

After deep deep deep research on tv to replace mine when i buy a ps5 i came to the conclusion that :
- there is NO ideal TV even if you pay a premium
- the tv approaching the best compromise for me is the x950h, but ... Sony did the unthinkable and released a tv without hdmi 2.1...
- x900h has too many downsides such as low cost anti reflection treatment, no wide angle, etc...
- oled burnin is real and oled << lcd in a very bright room (my case).

So no other choice for me than to wait for x95h sucessor.
Samsung tvs migth have benen an option but inferior on both motion and color accuracy, so no.

 

[cyber_ninja]

How good is the Samsung Q80t Series? I am interested in the 55 inch Version.

I bought a 75 inch model and have 0 complaints.

 

[saintjules]

Techno dad?
Lol

He's a DJ and electronics guy. Don't think I'd classify him as "Techno", but more of a Mainstream/House DJ.

 

[Rikkori]

After deep deep deep research on tv to replace mine when i buy a ps5 i came to the conclusion that :
- there is NO ideal TV even if you pay a premium
- the tv approaching the best compromise for me is the x950h, but ... Sony did the unthinkable and released a tv without hdmi 2.1...
- x900h has too many downsides such as low cost anti reflection treatment, no wide angle, etc...
- oled burnin is real and oled << lcd in a very bright room (my case).

So no other choice for me than to wait for x95h sucessor.
Samsung tvs migth have benen an option but inferior on both motion and color accuracy, so no.

Pretty much, you got it 100% right. I'm holding out hope we get Sony miniLED next year or the one after that. Would really be fantastic, but I have a feeling Sony's going to stick to traditional FALD & OLEDs for the near future.

 

[OZ9000]

Ive been doing some research on 2020 tv models and want some feed back on what the best one could be Im aiming to a tv at least 75 inches wide and that has hdmi 2.1. Im purposely avoiding OLED because of Burn in and am only looking for 4K, no 8K. Ive narrowed it down to 3 choices:

The Sony X900H; Sounds like a fantastic tv but the HDMI 2.1 updates will be available through a firmware update and that is kind of concerning to me.

The LG Nanocell 90: Has HDMI 2.1 already but reviews say the black colors do not look good in the dark, which may present a problem since i like to game and watch movies in the dark

Samsung Q90T: Good reviews, a little more pricey than the other 2 and ive read it doesnt support true HDMI 2.1?


Any suggestions?

Samsung Q90T or the Sony X900H are both fine choices.

The Q90T might have better blacks, but it is known for panel uniformity issues. Dirty screen effect may be apparent.

Sony X900H is a good jack of all trades TV, and you'll probably be satisfied with it.

 

[OZ9000]

The Samsung Q90T is the best 4K LCD available. It has some issues unfortunately and it is overpriced, but in terms of PQ no HDMI 2.1 LCD beats it. It unfortunately still suffers from the Samsung plague of gimping the TV while in game mode but much less so than any other model at any other time. Overall - still the best LCD for gaming at 4K, if you care about HDMI 2.1.
See: this post
as well as the avsforums dedicated thread to the TV.
Mind you, even the often lauded LG OLEDs have significant issues with Gsync and the like, as well as other issues, so it's not all rosy no matter the TV.

The Sony XH90/X900H is the best alternative to the Q90T if you want to save some money. It has good PQ, but not super bright, lacking some Sony processing magic, but maintains good colour accuracy & has that vaunted HDMI 2.1 port. The disadvantage at 75" is that they don't give this TV many more zones to keep up with the size increase, so it has better PQ at 55"-65".

LG LCDs are all crap, without exception & without fail, and don't warrant a purchase.

People recommending waiting for microLED have no clue what they're talking about. That's a decade away at best, if they figure it out at all. Right now it remains a technology for businesses that want to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for giant displays - nothing more.

The LCD alternatives to OLED are almost here but still 1-2 years away from the polish they need.

- Dual Cell will get closest to the contrast ratio in the short term but in general they have processing issues taming both panels & the power requirements make it unable to get very bright. Will be decent alternative to OLEDs for movies - which is pointless.
- MiniLED are already here and widely available in the USA, but the problem is they are only in TCL TVs - which have crap processing and therefore can't tame the amount of zones & make proper use of it, so they black crush like crazy and have slow FALD transition times, plus they calibrate like crap. Once Sony jumps on board this train the situation will change and we'll have a very good alternative to OLED, and in many ways much better all while not breaking the bank. This is still at least a year or two away from happening, likely more. We will know more at CES 2021 in January.

So, to sum it up, if you can afford the Q90T get it. If not, the XH90 would be a good alternative. Can't really go wrong either way.

Do you know what the difference between QD-OLED or QNED is? I presume these will all potentially suffer from burn in as they use OLED?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I'll do you one better. I ordered a 4k lag testing tool from the UK and I will be sure to let you know of my findings. I only have an x900e and A8h lying around but I can grab a 900h to test.

And no, I didn't buy it for you lol.

Please do

 

[StateofMajora]

Do you know what the difference between QD-OLED or QNED is? I presume these will all potentially suffer from burn in as they use OLED?

Qned is gallium nitrate based and will not have burn in.
Qd oled by itself will not offer much improvement in burn in, but as previously stated 2018 models are already very safe on that front with varied content.

 

[cudiye]

Probably not the right thread but. Best monitor for PS5? Preferably 4k 60hz+?

 

[StateofMajora]

Pretty much, you got it 100% right. I'm holding out hope we get Sony miniLED next year or the one after that. Would really be fantastic, but I have a feeling Sony's going to stick to traditional FALD & OLEDs for the near future.

Mini led quantum dot color conversion TVs from Sony *should* be amazing. No true black like oled, but closer than ever, nor the oled response times but probably better everything else compared to current oled. Certainly brightness and hdr performance.

And it’s about time, I can’t believe how few dimming zones there are in Sony fald tvs post z9d!

 

[Elcid]

I have a LG C9 65inch and love it. If I didn't have this I'd get a Samsung or one of the new Vizio's

This. Cheaper than the CX and doesn't have all that built-in recording shit...

 

[OZ9000]

Qned is gallium nitrate based and will not have burn in.
Qd oled by itself will not offer much improvement in burn in, but as previously stated 2018 models are already very safe on that front with varied content.

Would QNED offer similar advances as OLED when it comes to it's contrast and deep blacks?

I saw a Sony XH95 and I was very, very impressed. It looked just as good as My Q9FN. Too bad it's missing HDMI 2.1. Sony have dropped the ball - that should have been the go to gaming TV.

 

[kraspkibble]

LG CX.

Maybe BX. If you can find a C9/B9 it will do OK.

Everything else...forget about it. If you want the absolute best gaming performance for next gen then CX hands down.

If you can wait another 7 months then the C11 will be out.

 

[ne1butu]

I’m looking for a high end set that doesn’t add audio lag to an ARC soundbar

 

[Rikkori]

Mini led quantum dot color conversion TVs from Sony *should* be amazing. No true black like oled, but closer than ever, nor the oled response times but probably better everything else compared to current oled. Certainly brightness and hdr performance.

And it’s about time, I can’t believe how few dimming zones there are in Sony fald tvs post z9d!

Yup, QDCC has a lot of promise but as I understand it they haven't had the materials breakthrough that's required yet so for the near future I kinda just put it out of my mind as I don't think it's coming soon.

Would QNED offer similar advances as OLED when it comes to it's contrast and deep blacks?

I saw a Sony XH95 and I was very, very impressed. It looked just as good as My Q9FN. Too bad it's missing HDMI 2.1. Sony have dropped the ball - that should have been the go to gaming TV.

Not quite that good for contrast, but very close, and with a bit of ambient light it would probably be equivalent. And of course it wouldn't suffer from all of OLED's weakness, so that's a big gain right there. It's probably further away though, than miniLED & Dual-cell, so again not a near future technology (at least within the next 2-3 years).

Are Quantum Nano Emitting Diodes (QNEDs) the Next Big Thing?

As the display industry widely awaits the launch of QD-OLEDs by Samsung in 2021, an obvious question in everyone’s minds is – what’s next? What does the display roadmap look like in the premium TV segment? Having a blue OLED as the backlight can limit the ultimate brightness, while microLEDs...

www.displaydaily.com

 

[farmerboy]

Australia here.
lg CX 65in $4295
Sony X9000H 65in $2395

What say you GAF? Is the oled worth nearly 2k more?

I mainly game but enjoy watching movies and intend to use ps5's 4k bluray.

Upgrading from a 10 yo panny plasma.

 

[Dabaus]

So I ended up going with the Sony X900H. Something else, according to the best buy employee i spoke with the PS5 will release "before the holidays" and they will announce the release date a week before it comes out. He also said that the Discless will 399 and the disc drive one will be 499. Maybe he was lying to me to seem more in the know than he really is. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Edit: Others should go their local best buy and strike up a conversation with an employee and see if one of them says something similar. It would be a good excuse tot leave the house at least!

 

[StateofMajora]

So I ended up going with the Sony X900H. Something else, according to the best buy employee i spoke with the PS5 will release "before the holidays" and they will announce the release date a week before it comes out. He also said that the Discless will 399 and the disc drive one will be 499. Maybe he was lying to me to seem more in the know than he really is. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Edit: Others should go their local best buy and strike up a conversation with an employee and see if one of them says something similar. It would be a good excuse tot leave the house at least!

They don’t know anything bro lol

sounds plausible enough though.

 

[Rikkori]

Australia here.
lg CX 65in $4295
Sony X9000H 65in $2395

What say you GAF? Is the oled worth nearly 2k more?

I mainly game but enjoy watching movies and intend to use ps5's 4k bluray.

Upgrading from a 10 yo panny plasma.

Honestly, it's a very subjective decision. $2000 is a lot of scratch! Personally I would never do it, the picture quality on that Sony is still excellent, you have good HDR capabilities & all sorts of gaming features, and that $2000 can go do a lot of other things that are a lot of fun as well.

Since you're Australian tho, keep an eye on this one as well (near-OLED contrast but no burn-in and it's cheaper; but you do give up HDMI 2.1):

65" Dual Cell Series SX - Hisense Australia

Bright, brilliant colour and near-perfect black combine on the one screen, thanks to game-changing Dual Cell TV technology. A colour panel and a second, monochrome panel with two million dimming zones combine to bring exceptional light control to an ultra-bright, Wide Colour Gamut 4K screen...

hisense.com.au

 

[Rikkori]

I don't agree with everything this guy's saying in his videos but he does some high production quality comparisons between TVs, worth taking a look:

 

[Johnny Silver]

From what I know, spec wise, these would be the best tv's I think:

CX OLED 48' - HDMI 2.1, high pixel density, 4k120hz, low response time,HDR10. There's the burn in risk though.
Sony X900H 55' - I think this tv will have a firmware patch somewhere down the line to enable it to display 4k120hz (the painel is capable of that). Aside from this, it will have all the specs of the CX 48 inch except the infinite contrast, worse greys than an OLED, etc. but good for an LCD.
There's also a 48 inch OLED that Sony said they would release to the market but I don't know when. I expect this tv to compete with the CX 48 inch in response times and price.

In short:

If you want any of these TV's, try to get them at a discount during black friday or after new year, the price normally drop at that time.

 

[FunkMiller]

The LG CX is an absolute revelation. Worth all the hype it gets, definitely.

You really do get what you pay for.

 

[Dabaus]

I don't agree with everything this guy's saying in his videos but he does some high production quality comparisons between TVs, worth taking a look:

Thank you for this. LG CX is the premiere tv right now right Because it’s OLED and everything? I feel really good picking up the Sony tv after watching that. I wish he would’ve posted his settings though.

 

[Daniel Thomas MacInnes]

I purchased a new Sony X900H from Amazon last weekend. It should arrive on Sunday, and I'm really looking forward to it. I'm upgrading because our current Sony Bravia HDTV is breaking down, showing long, thin horizontal lines of color on the screen. I understand it's a problem with one of the chips on the board and there's little to be done about it. Might as well just upgrade to a new 4K set and be done with it.

That said, I still miss my old 1990s 27" Sony Trinitron. The color on that was glorious and heavenly.

 

[Darth]

I bought a 65” m series Vizio. I am not thrilled with it and will return to get something else.

motion on ps3 games are particularly bad.
HDR seems to look worse in games like Ghost of Tushima.

will something like the Sony X900H (sounds like the x950 is worse for gaming but better pq) be a big improvement with motion as well as overall picture quality? I know it is a lot more of cPurse.

im coming from a 10 year old plasma that just I sold that handled motion way better than the vizio. Way better blacks as well but that was expected.

 

[StateofMajora]

I bought a 65” m series Vizio. I am not thrilled with it and will return to get something else.

motion on ps3 games are particularly bad.
HDR seems to look worse in games like Ghost of Tushima.

will something like the Sony X900H (sounds like the x950 is worse for gaming but better pq) be a big improvement with motion as well as overall picture quality? I know it is a lot more of cPurse.

im coming from a 10 year old plasma that just I sold that handled motion way better than the vizio. Way better blacks as well but that was expected.

No LCD is going to match plasma in motion terms without a quality black frame insertion implementation.

The 900h is a step back in some ways from earlier sony lcds, but it's still far and away better than vizio. There's an immense difference in picture quality processing, including motion. Even without BFI on the sony is night and day superior in all aspects.

Vizio is amateur hour.

In terms of motion, with BFI engaged (under the motion settings, defined as clearness) the 900h will rival Panasonic plasma.

 

[Darth]

No LCD is going to match plasma in motion terms without a quality black frame insertion implementation.

The 900h is a step back in some ways from earlier sony lcds, but it's still far and away better than vizio. There's an immense difference in picture quality processing, including motion. Even without BFI on the sony is night and day superior in all aspects.

Vizio is amateur hour.

In terms of motion, with BFI engaged (under the motion settings, defined as clearness) the 900h will rival Panasonic plasma.

Thank you! I am going to mess with that setting. I just set it up but have not played with it yet. I can already tell it looks way better than the Vizio. Not as harsh and more natural looking out of the box. Motion seems much better as well.

 

[Vtecomega]

Damn I am regretting my purchase. I just payed $3500 for a Hisense ULED 75Q8. I think the US model is called H9G but with inferior specs to the Aus model. Its the flagship Hisense model.

120hz display
Quantum dot full aray display
Dolby Vision
Dolby Atmos
HDR 10+
6ms input lag

but no HDMI 2.1 I didn't realize how important hdmi 2.1 is for next gen. The picture quality is absolutely astonishing but It seems I am missing out big time without hdmi 2.1.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Will the cx run 4k 120fps or do I need the c9?

 

[Justin9mm]

The x900h is a much shittier version of the x900e from 2017 lol. Which was a great lcd at the time. Oled is far superior unless it’s a no name brand.

But hey, 2.1!

People aren’t sleeping on 120hz. It’s 4k120.

As in it’s cute people think 120hz games unless 2d or indie are going to be more than 1440p.

Some people use TV's for PC too or both like I will be doing.